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    USMC Armstrong pullup program
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    I've been strugling w pull-ups for quite a while & recently came acoss an oder publication: its poster (Focus) promised to update on its effectiveness, but actually hasn't. It suggests daily practice (at least 5 days/week), some replies suggested that doing it every other day might be even better.
    I wonder if it's coming instead of any other (weight) training, or should be used as daily add-on/back workouts substitute.

    I'm tall (6"4, 250 lb) & long-limbed, not the best proportions for pull-ups: I wonder if anybody of a similar shape can share a success story.

    I'd also like to get addressed the difference in approach/frequency for the teen's when the body weight is lower & hormons are hitting to the top, & for thee ones in their 30-s or later.

    So theres the original note from Focus, March-2006:

    This program is designed to skyrocket your pullups/chinups. I'm giving it a go, and I thought I'd share. Real cool concepts, keeping pullups interesting.

    Monday-
    5 maximum effort sets, with 90 seconds rest intervals.

    Tuesday-
    Pyramid pullups. Go one rep, rest, two reps, rest, three reps, rest... and so on. Every rep completed gets 10 seconds rest. 1 rep, 10 seconds off, 2 reps, 20 seconds off, 3 reps, 30 seconds off. Go until you can't complete the attempted number.

    Wednesday-
    Training sets... training sets are a pre-determined amount of reps chosen before the workout, according to strength. If you max out at 10 chinups, 3 or 4 chinups might be a good place to start for training sets.
    3 training sets overhand, 60 second intervcals
    3 training sets underhand, with little fingers touching. 60 second intervals.

    Thursday-
    Do as many training sets as possible before failure, with 60 seconds between each.

    Friday-
    Re-do the hardest day of the week. Changes from week to week...

    Whats your opinion on this? I'm on my second day of the program, but I have high expectations.

    THEN A MONTH LATER:

    A lot of the workouts I do now contradict so many rule-of-thumbs I have held to for the past few years of weight training. However, I do have a new goal in mind, and that is to be able to work my ass off everyday, all day. Soon enough I will be doing work like this everyday, so I'm basically just training for it.

    "A terrible and stupid workout"...I doubt any of you have heard of this particular program? It was designed by by Major Charles Lewis Armstrong, USMC, and is now a staple pullup program in PT for the Marines. Many have had success with it, and I feel that I will too. Keep in mind however, that this program is not designed to develop wide lats or a thick back- its designed to get the job done on the straightest path possible.

    I will go through with the program, and let you guys know in maybe two months time how it went down. I expect myself to be at 20 chinups in two months, and I think that is completely possible. Who knows, Major Armstrong may even have a sticky here one day.

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    Look into this written by Pavel on greasing the groove:
    http://trainingdimensions.net/SOS/SO...20Strength.pdf


    I have had great success with greasing the groove for pull ups, and I know quite a few other people who have done well with it also.

    The important things to remember with it is you want to be doing them often, some people put their bar in a doorway and everytime they go past it do some pull ups. Just never take them close to failure. I would always stop when I felt like I only had about 2-3 left in me.

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    Are you preparing for the military, or something?

    The training looks ok, although it might takes a few weeks
    to become adjusted and actually benefit from so much training.
    Be sure to write your progress in a journal as it will ensure you
    are actually progressing. A lot of the success here is dependent
    on mind power, IMHO.

    Once you've been able to adequately recover from a workout
    you should be able to add 1-3 reps to your maximum every session.
    If done probably you can probably hit 20 reps in 1 month.
    I wouldn't strictly follow the program though. Train when your not
    sore, and when you do train do so until you've hit a good pump/pain
    threshold (ensuring you've beat your last workout).

    How many pull-ups can you do now?

    I'd rather gradually add to a weight belt then just hit some
    body weight rep count. This is also covered some in the referenced thread.
    Last edited by sosc; 08-03-2011 at 07:29 PM.

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    Thank you guys,
    Grizzly, could you give a few more details on your progress: your age, weight, time spent, start & finish pullups number, and did you practice as Pavel advised: a few light sets daily (+ some other/gym workout)?
    I had a bar at home at my teenage & used it daily, same as advised at "Grease", though never reached more than 14 reps - max. Maybe I overtrained myself, though it sounds contradictive to most of other advises: if you can do ~20, do just 5-10 as often as you can & never get tired: eventually that'll bring you to make 30 with no sweat (?) And the same applicable to other weights/tools (bar, kettlebells..): get the light weight ones at home, move them as often as you can - w/o getting tired/sore the next day - and pretty soon we'll lift something 30-50% heavier then our original maximum -?
    On the other hand, the Armstrong's program suggests quite a bit of pushing to the limits - every day.

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    When I had a pullup bar on my bedroom door, I made it a habit to do a set of 10 every time I left the room. You'll either progress in strength quickly, or become a hermit and stay in your room.
    Ron Paul 2012

    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

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    Thank you guys!
    Sosc, I can do 5 good pullups now; I'll for sure get sore the next day after a workout like Armstrong's, so I won't make more than 1-2 reps with proper technics, not to mention the extra-weights/belt.
    I've been trying pull-ups ~ 2 d/week (~ 6 sets of 10 rep's with an accessory machine - minus ~100 to 80 lb, and/or chin-ups (10-15 reps x 6 sets)with a bit incomplete arms extension due to sore elbow lig's, incorporated into my gym program (mighty fivesome, few accessories, ~ 3d/week) - for the last 4 months. Trying not to overtrain, eat & rest well -but I'm stuck, at least with the pullups!

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