Thread: powerlifting and boxing

I trained in jujitsu for a long time. I found the bulk slowed me down. I eventually had to quit one and I was tired of getting injuries from grappling

I would not do pl'ing if your a boxer.... Even with the speed work that goes on it WILL make you slow. As a boxer, slow is not what you need in the ring.

This is gonna sound gay but something fast like p90x or some kinda crossfit stuff is what u need. Fast and strong!

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

How can a person do both? I know a lot of boxers have to run many miles but a lot of them have great power such as Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson would do over an hour of cardio a day and he would do heavy squats, how? How can a powerlifter have good endurance? How do you crosstrain like that?

"Power lifting" as defined by the bodybuidling world isnt really power lifting, it's weight lifting because they're strength based, true power lifting are the velocity based movements like Cleans & Snatches. The definition of power is force/time, which indicates velocity. Oly lifts would do wonders for boxing, as they all develop the velocity of hip drives, which is where you derive the real power behind a punch [in conjunction with your posterior chain] Hip flexion/extension/rotation velocity also benefits other martial arts techniques, such as TD's, sprawl's, bucks, sweeps, kicks).

BTW, I don't mean to come off as pretentious know-it-all douche, this is just how I sound/post when I'm trying to be helpful.

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

How can a person do both? I know a lot of boxers have to run many miles but a lot of them have great power such as Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson would do over an hour of cardio a day and he would do heavy squats, how? How can a powerlifter have good endurance? How do you crosstrain like that?

That would depend on your size & weight. It used to be a taboo to lift weights and be a boxer, now it is very common, especially to build power. You wouldn't see Manny squat 315. Every other day you can add weights. But some boxers add light weights everyday, after they've done their road work, and ring work. That way when you train the next day & you work that stiffness out. Remember, your not trying to set records as a bodybuilder, your trying to build strength, yet keep the hand speed.

Light weights are 1thing...... Pl'in is another.

Also powerlifting is 1 word guys......

Mike Tyson was a genetic exception.

Originally Posted by Usealittle

I would not do pl'ing if your a boxer.... Even with the speed work that goes on it WILL make you slow. As a boxer, slow is not what you need in the ring.

Strength IS The Foudation

Initially, increasing your strength will increase your power and speed.

Fast Twich Muscle Fiber

As we know, there are two type of Fast Twitch Muscle Fiber, IIA and IIB/IIX.

IIB/IIX

These are primarily employed in explosive and speed movements, such as Olympic movements and sprints.

IIA

These are primarly used in "Limit Strength" movements, such as powerlifting.

Conversion

What unique about fast twitch fiber is that IIB/IIX can be converted to IIA and vise versa.

When you train too long with heavy loads, you become stronger but slower.

However, some "Limit Strength" training is necessary to generate more power and speed.

Originally Posted by Usealittle

This is gonna sound gay but something fast like p90x or some kinda crossfit stuff is what u need. Fast and strong!

Cross Fit/P90X

They are virtually the same.

They are general conditioning program that have a limited value for any sport.

Neither Fast Nor Strong

Cross Fit/P90X won't do much to improve your speed nor strength...unless you're a novice.

Poster Childern For Strength/Power/Speed

Olympic Lifters (as VolcomX311 noted) are the real power athletes.

Olympic Lifters are some of, if not, are the overall strongest, most powerful, fastest athletes on the planet.

Conjugate Training

The reason is that they combine strength, power and speed training into their program.

Kenny Croxdale

Alright so what would a boxer do to increase his strength but slow himself down with weightlifting?

id say odd object training. tie a rope to a boulder then drag it up a hill. pick up a wheelbarrow with a friend in it and run it up an incline. toss a log end over end as many times as you can. pushups at all angles. squats first without weight (3 sets of 100), then do it with your training partner on your back. these types of movements really get your heart rate up and works as interval training as well as muscle building.

The amount of cardio doesn't really matter as long as you take in enough calories. You can do endless amounts of cardio and still gain strength as long as you eat enough.

Mike Tyson was a genetic wonder,a heavyweight that was faster than almost every other boxer in any weight class. That will most likely never happen again.

For bulking what is the highest amount of excersises per large muscle groups such as back pecs or legs?

Originally Posted by Andresh

For bulking what is the highest amount of excersises per large muscle groups such as back pecs or legs?

What is the maximum amount of mileage a car can drive?

It depends man. What kind of recovery rate does the person have. What is the he/she eating. How much rest/sleep does one get. Does one use steroids. Is the person a beginner or not. What kind of job does one work.....

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

Alright so what would a boxer do to increase his strength but slow himself down with weightlifting?

Light weight, high reps, do this in a circuit of 3 ex. to start with, and you'll notice a difference . Muscle endurance is what you need, just like your wind you need to build that up. But you cannot do that forever your joints will take a beating. Just like a bodybuilder learns & knows his body, performing this will teach you about yours. And from there you can calibrate the amount of weight used.

Yes, fast twich exercises to help build speed, in boxing speed equates to power. You can also switch it up with compound movements. Do you recall Evander Holyfield? Well, he was very light but in his heart he knew was a heavyweight. So he hired Lee Haney to show him how to add some weight and size. Well, that's plenty of food and heavier weight & lighter reps.

it's all about tendon and ligament strength. Boxers are not know for delivering power from
powerlifting.

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

The amount of cardio doesn't really matter as long as you take in enough calories. You can do endless amounts of cardio and still gain strength as long as you eat enough.

Endless Cardio Ends Strength

Endless cardio has been shown to decrease strength and muscle mass.

Endless cardio cuts into your recovery time.

Thus, you end up getting weaker and smaller.

Kenny Croxdalke

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Light weight, high reps, do this in a circuit of 3 ex. to start with, and you'll notice a difference . Muscle endurance is what you need, just like your wind you need to build that up. But you cannot do that forever your joints will take a beating. Just like a bodybuilder learns & knows his body, performing this will teach you about yours. And from there you can calibrate the amount of weight used.

Yes, fast twich exercises to help build speed, in boxing speed equates to power.

Power = Strength X Speed

Speed is a component of power. It does not necessairly equate to power.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Do you recall Evander Holyfield? Well, he was very light but in his heart he knew was a heavyweight. So he hired Lee Haney to show him how to add some weight and size. Well, that's plenty of food and heavier weight & lighter reps.

Fred Hatfield Trained Holyfield

Fred Hatfield trained Holyfield.

I doubt Haney did much of anything or was qualified to help Holyfield in any way.

Kenny Croxdale

With more drugs and more food you can do a lot of cardio and a lot of strength work. Look at every linebacker in the NFL. I'm eating a lot of clean calories right now, doing plenty of running and my lifts are all going up.

Originally Posted by wisco

With more drugs and more food you can do a lot of cardio and a lot of strength work. Look at every linebacker in the NFL. I'm eating a lot of clean calories right now, doing plenty of running and my lifts are all going up.

How much cardio?

Originally Posted by wisco

With more drugs and more food you can do a lot of cardio and a lot of strength work. Look at every linebacker in the NFL. I'm eating a lot of clean calories right now, doing plenty of running and my lifts are all going up.

Cardio Kills Strength

Too much cardio decreases strength levels.

Linebackers

Cardio training for any football player revolves around interval training, such as sprints.

"My lifts are going up."

For a novice such as yourself, anything and everthing works.

Kenny Croxdale

Originally Posted by Usealittle

I would not do pl'ing if your a boxer.... Even with the speed work that goes on it WILL make you slow. As a boxer, slow is not what you need in the ring.

This is gonna sound gay but something fast like p90x or some kinda crossfit stuff is what u need. Fast and strong!

Powerlifting type training should never make you slower. If anything, it should improve rate of force development. It might be prudent, however, to incorporate more work to improve rate of force development when using very light loads. The dynamic effort work used in something like the Westside template is not specific to the force-velocity relationship one displays in a boxing match.

Improving maximal strength always improves your potential for improved rate of force development at submaximal loads. It is a myth that resistance training makes you slower.

Everyone always makes the mistake of only thinking about the ME of the template and ignoring the DE part. The DE would be the main part that an athlete would use for power while utilizing bands and chains.

Originally Posted by Kenny Croxdale

Power = Strength X Speed

Speed is a component of power. It does not necessairly equate to power.



Fred Hatfield Trained Holyfield

Fred Hatfield trained Holyfield.

I doubt Haney did much of anything or was qualified to help Holyfield in any way.

Kenny Croxdale

Evander Holyfield's Weight routine --- supervised by Lee Haney

Yeah, the 8 time Mr. O isn't qualified to train anyone in the art of BBing. He clearly is a know nothing.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Evander Holyfield's Weight routine --- supervised by Lee Haney

Yeah, the 8 time Mr. O isn't qualified to train anyone in the art of BBing. He clearly is a know nothing.

Bodybuilding--The Beauty Contest

Bodybuilding is nothing more than a Beauty Contest. The only thing missing is the interview where they tell everyone they want world peace.

Bodybuilding Doesn't Increase Fuctional Mass

Bodybuilding is more about "Show" than "Go". Bodybuilders are more concerned the size/look rather than strength/power/speed.

Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy

Bodybuilding involves pumping the muscle up to make it bigger, not stronger. That is accomplished with low-load volume, lighter weights, short rest periods, etc.

Think of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy as blowing a balloon up. You can blow up a lot of balloons quickly.

Myofibrillar Hypertrophy

Strength Training involves myofibrillar hypertrophy. Muscle mass increases with strength training primarily through myofibrillar hypertrohph.

Think of myofibrillar hypertrophy as building something with bricks. Bricks are very strong but take a while to build something.

Kenny Croxdale

Originally Posted by Kenny Croxdale

Bodybuilding--The Beauty Contest

Bodybuilding is nothing more than a Beauty Contest. The only thing missing is the interview where they tell everyone they want world peace.

Bodybuilding Doesn't Increase Fuctional Mass

Bodybuilding is more about "Show" than "Go". Bodybuilders are more concerned the size/look rather than strength/power/speed.

Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy

Bodybuilding involves pumping the muscle up to make it bigger, not stronger. That is accomplished with low-load volume, lighter weights, short rest periods, etc.

Think of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy as blowing a balloon up. You can blow up a lot of balloons quickly.

Myofibrillar Hypertrophy

Strength Training involves myofibrillar hypertrophy. Muscle mass increases with strength training primarily through myofibrillar hypertrohph.

Think of myofibrillar hypertrophy as building something with bricks. Bricks are very strong but take a while to build something.

Kenny Croxdale

Well, as simplistic as your copy...I won't..I'll just say this..Evander had quite a hard earned, much achieved, and much aspired physique..

That worked into the only 4 time heavyweight champ!?
Bye the way?!

I lift heavy and do boxing as my cardio. I have no intentions of getting in a ring and I'm positive I'm quick/powerful enough to beat most in a street/bar fight.

Boxing is the most entertaining cardio there is. (besides sex)

mike just had the sickest genes on the planet

I thought I read that you can do sets of heavy squats followed by a plyo excercise like jump squats and increase explosive "power" to help you punch harder.

Originally Posted by Tako1984

I thought I read that you can do sets of heavy squats followed by a plyo excercise like jump squats and increase explosive "power" to help you punch harder.

That's what I thought also.