Thread: front delt

Front raises with hammer grip "dumbell vertical" not horizontal. I like em

and try incline dumbells

i'll give them a run and see how I like them. I was thinking of trying arnolds.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

i'll give them a run and see how I like them. I was thinking of trying arnolds.

That's what I was going to recommend you try. Make sure you do them the right way though. Most people you see doing them are not performing the movement correctly. Watch "Pumping Iron" and see how they are really done.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

Have been doing sitting BB military presses for a while now. Improving strength all the time. I just maxed out 110x5, a pr for me. But it hurts my back, and might even be the cause of a minor pain I've been having. So I was wondering what would be a good exercise to replace this with? I already do lateral raises for side delts and rear delt flys so i need something to compliment those exercises.

Seated dumbbell presses are easier on the back than using the bar. Try switching to dumbbells and see how it feels.

Originally Posted by M4A3

Seated dumbbell presses are easier on the back than using the bar. Try switching to dumbbells and see how it feels.

This^^
If seated dumbell press still causes back pain, I would go with corner press.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

This^^
If seated dumbell press still causes back pain, I would go with corner press.

do you do corner presses one handed or two handed?

Originally Posted by trapzilla

do you do corner presses one handed or two handed?

One

upright rows or machine version of military press so you have more stabilization....

personally i really like dumbbell upright rows, very different but an awesome movement, and a great delt movement.

Originally Posted by TrenMasterFlex

Front raises with hammer grip "dumbell vertical" not horizontal. I like em

^^ that

And if it gets boring, use a plate with two hands and do "steering wheels".
Grab a plate and hold it at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. Raise it, arms outstretched, in front of your face so that you can see your eye in a mirror through the hole. Turn the plate 90 degrees left, then back to center, then 90 degrees right, then back to center and lower the plate. Repeat but make the first turn to the right, and keep alternating your beginning with right/left turns. This isn't a traditional steering wheel, where the weight is held continuously in front of your face while turning, it's a combo of a front plate raise and a steering wheel, but the 'steering' part doesn't allow you to cheat because you *have to* hold the weight at the top of the movement, and looking back at your eye through the hole via a mirror ensures you keep strict form.

The semi-static hold you have to maintain while turning it left to right gives a serious burn and pump for me. I also feel it a bit in my upper traps.

If you don't have access to a gym and plates, grab any small child that's handy and about the right weight. Kids LOVE being manhandled and tossed about as long as you say "wheeeeee" a lot.

[edit]: Found a video that shows the movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...3OTK8Mas#t=51s

thanks guys some awesome ideas, i will be looking into all this before the next delt day.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

Have been doing sitting BB military presses for a while now. Improving strength all the time. I just maxed out 110x5, a pr for me. But it hurts my back, and might even be the cause of a minor pain I've been having. So I was wondering what would be a good exercise to replace this with? I already do lateral raises for side delts and rear delt flys so i need something to compliment those exercises.

it is not a good idea to max out on shoulder presses , military presses must be done with perfect form otherwise it can hurt somewhere. try doing them light after another exercise like supersetting them right after lateral raises but use light weight.
lateral raises: a good form would be where your small finger not the thumb is a bit up when you do them and your arms very slightly to the front just slightly.
front delt: you can do them sitting with a barbell leaning a bit backward, or leaning on your chest a bit tilted to the front also on a bench using a barbell (someone has to hand you the barbell) or using the pulley lifting from between your legs your back to the machine.
rear delt: also leaning forward with dumbells or using the machine, or leaning on your side on the bench with one arm holding the bench pole for stability and the other lifting the dumbell
OR ANY Of the suggested exercises on this thread but the idea is that if you like military presses you can do them right after any of the above exercises using light weight this way your shoulders will get a good pump without hurting yourself.

Is there "light weight" exercises? Exercises you shouldn't be focusing on raising the weight all the time. Because I do everything to the max with respect to my form.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

Is there "light weight" exercises? Exercises you shouldn't be focusing on raising the weight all the time. Because I do everything to the max with respect to my form.

I guess corner press would be a medium weight exercise.
You can't go heavy or your form will suffer (similar to flys).

so as long as your form is good it doesn't matter right?

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

Is there "light weight" exercises? Exercises you shouldn't be focusing on raising the weight all the time. Because I do everything to the max with respect to my form.

light weight means when you are doing a superset you cannot lift as you do normally , so ou use a lighter weight, of course respecting the form. now for a military press done right after another exercise , a proper form is to lower the bar below ear level and go up a little above the head: do not raise it up and lock arms. choosing lets say 120 lbs and doing it 6 times (after a set of lateral raises)should be done properly or also you can choose 100 lbs and do it 12 times but you do it faster..in the end you will get the same benefits because accelrating your movement when you lift up is equivalent to adding weight. i would choose the 100 lbs this way i avoid bad form and jerking the weight and injury.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

so as long as your form is good it doesn't matter right?

What doesn't matter?

Originally Posted by bigdtrain

personally i really like dumbbell upright rows, very different but an awesome movement, and a great delt movement.

I love these too, I do them one armed with a slow negative. For front delts I like barbell front raises. I feel they get a lot of work during incline press so I never go too heavy.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

What doesn't matter?

if your lifting as heavy as you safely can.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

if your lifting as heavy as you safely can.

form and safety are extremely important especially when doing shoulders, a small shoulder injury and you won't be able to do many chest exercises or sometimes stand up curls and other exercises ...

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

if your lifting as heavy as you safely can.

Yeah, my bad Was in a hurry when I posted that should have been clearer.
Here's my .02
Keeping correct form is always key, but in order to lift heavy you need to select the best compound exercises that allow you to "lift heavy". Replacing military press, which I assume is your heaviest vertical press with some punk ass lateral, upright row ect... is less than optimal. I would recommend trying seated dumbell press since the seated postion will add stability to your back, still allow you to lift a decent amount of weight, and keep it the same plane of movement. Unlike corner press my second choice which isn't a 100% vertical press but fairly close and allows you to put up a medium amount weight.
So my reply to

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

so as long as your form is good it doesn't matter right?

Yes I believe it does matter. Exercise selection is part of lifting heavy. I think dumbell press would produce better results in the long run than corner press. Just like I believe bench press will produce better results than flys.

thanks, thats kinda what i was thinking.

Originally Posted by Bonesaw

i'll give them a run and see how I like them. I was thinking of trying arnolds.

Then try them and stop starting usless threads.