how do you get bicep peaks like Scott Steiner (WWE) or Scotty the Body?

firestorm · 01-27-2003, 12:12 AM

Agrees with Mudge. I'm actually wearing a HHH shirt right now. He is the man. I'm not fond of his current story line they provided him. I prefer him the badazz. For awhile now the only way he can win a match is if Flair gets involved. I was surprised at the PPV when he actually and fairly beat HBK. They are making him a candy azz. I like his character better the old way. Just mean tuff and bad.

Lightman009 · 01-27-2003, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Oh come on, HHH is all natural! He's just hardcore, you are all jealous.

We're not talking about Triple H.

But I still think Triple H doesn't juice, and if he did, its not as bad as Pro Bodybuilders.

**Mudge** · 01-27-2003, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightman009
We're not talking about Triple H.

He has been mentioned, you must have passed over those posts.

Pro Bodybuilders do way more than most anyone would even dream of doing, but that is where its at nowdays, things naturally progress to that level in anything competitive.

firestorm · 01-27-2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightman009
We're not talking about Triple H.

But I still think Triple H doesn't juice, and if he did, its not as bad as Pro Bodybuilders.

On the contrary, we were speaking of HHH and Scott Steiner. Read back a bit big guy. As for steroids, HHH is a user. If you follow wrestling at all you would have seen a drastic change in his appearance over the past 2 to 2 1/2 years. Take it from an Ex-steroid user and abuser. Besides that,, when I did use it years ago, I supplied some pro wrestlers so I do have a little insight on this matter. And if anyone is curious, your out of luck, I won't mention names.

Freeman · 01-27-2003, 07:33 AM

Nor would I as firestorm. I wouldn't pry. It's a confetentiality issue. Plus, not knowing adds to the mystery!

cornfed · 01-27-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
I think Steiners chest looks too small from a front view compared to everything else.

saw a pic from 2yrs ago and he looked more proportional... but his bf% was higher too

Lightman009 · 01-27-2003, 03:27 PM

I do follow wrestling pretty closely and the only big difference I saw was when he first entered the WWF to now, but over the last two years he has appeared the same to me. After coming off his injury he was a little more cut, but otherwise pretty much the same. But I understand that he probably used, because he is so massive.

Lightman009 · 01-27-2003, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
Take it from an Ex-steroid user and abuser. Besides that,, when I did use it years ago, I supplied some pro wrestlers so I do have a little insight on this matter. And if anyone is curious, your out of luck, I won't mention names.

So why did you stop taking roids? And you sold to WWE superstars?

gopro · 01-27-2003, 06:03 PM

SYNTHOL

cornfed · 01-27-2003, 06:05 PM

See!!! that's what I said

gopro · 01-27-2003, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cornfed
See!!! that's what I said

I hate to say this but...great minds think alike...

cornfed · 01-27-2003, 06:18 PM

But what about us?

I CANNOT believe that you said that LOL

gopro · 01-27-2003, 06:23 PM

Quote:

[i][b]Originally posted by cornfed

I CANNOT believe that you said that LOL

Niether can I!

cornfed · 01-27-2003, 06:28 PM

Hell in a handbasket... Hell in a handbasket...

**dg806** · 01-27-2003, 07:13 PM

your starting to repeat yourself!

firestorm · 01-27-2003, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightman009
So why did you stop taking roids? And you sold to WWE superstars?

Now talking about me is an open book and you can ask anything you wish. So I will answer your question with all honesty.
The easy question 1st: DID I SELL TO WWE wrestlers.
Answer: Yes. I sold to WWE and the old NWA federation which became the WCW. To pinpoint the timeframe: Prominent members of the NWA were: Lex Lugar, Sting, Rick Flair, Arn Anderson, Chris Benoit. and my favorite tag team the Road Warriors (whom I was very good friends with). It was between the years, 1983 and 1988 that I delt with supplying some of them. (I am not saying I supplied any of the above persons. I'm just named guys in the NWO because alot of people may not remember that federation.

Why did I stop steroids:
A: Because I was not a Steroid user, I was a Steroid Abuser. The stacks of drugs I used was enormous to say the least. They had a very bad effect on my personality. I had very bad cases of Roid Rage for example. I was mean and very nasty to say the least. On the physical aspect of my usage, I remember every time I went PEE, it felt like I was pissing napalm. I used to dread going to the bathroom it hurt so bad. I had periods of very bad acne on my back but luckily a doctor hooked me up for that side effect with medication of some sort which cleared it up. On the Legal aspect: During that time frame I used to instruct Martial Arts to the FBI Special Agents (Organized Crime Unit) from the Newark, NJ Field Office and several New Jersey State Police Barracks including several other Local Law enforcement agencies(City and Township). Steroids became a Federal offense during that time and I was advised to give them up partially for that reason. As did every cop I knew on juice at the time. I also saw some bad things happen to a few friends of mine. One guy needed surgery on his ass to remove some huge infection or something like that. He had a huge mass of meat taken off his butt. (nasty), Another friend when he came off the stuff went so far into depression that he almost committed suicide. I myself would have serious bouts with depression when I came off a cycle.
In short I weighed all the positives and all the negatives. In short I concluded that I didn't need them anymore, my goals were never to compete at a professional level so why was I taking them? My reasons for taking them were all ego related. I loved being able to incline bench over 400 for reps and around 500 for reps. I loved the attention I received when I got on the squat bar or anything that I pushed tremendous amounts of weight. I loved the looks I received from strangers ouside the bodybuilding community and the "ewwwww your gross" comments from some females. I ate all that shit up but it wasn't worth dying over. And to be honest, when I was at my biggest 270 with a 33 inch waist and ripped, I didn't feel very good.
I went natural in 1990 a few months prior to getting married. I feel better now at 40 years old then I did then.

Freeman · 01-27-2003, 07:59 PM

way to go Fire. I'm glad you figured out who you really were and that you're a healthy and still strong man!

**Mudge** · 01-27-2003, 08:35 PM

You were a big shit

Estrogen levels when coming off, some people get moody yep (aka clomid blues if not coming off cold turkey).

I remember an article from an abuser, some years ago (probably around 90-92?), had yellow eyes and jaundice start to show up, but was nowhere near your size, interesting read though.

I still of course believe there is such a thing as safe useage, and anyone very strong or large is SUSPECT. For those not schooled in roids there is only ignorance, not that it matters, but there is a reality out there, people use.

firestorm · 01-27-2003, 10:03 PM

Thanks Freeman for your words bro.
I agree Mudge, I believe "most" things are safe in moderation, alcohol for example. I did use those coming off drugs but when your really juicing HEAVY, it isn't a wonder drug although it helps and probably helps alot if you using in moderation. The problem I see with steroids is this. When we train, we always keep striving to be bigger and stronger. Who do you know ever got to a max weight such as 315 on the bench and said,, ok that's good I got 315 so now I can coast for the rest of my life. or,, ok I got my arms to 19 thats kewel, I'll only train to maintain for now on. I'm sure there are people out there that feel that way and that is great but most of us want more. We keep changing our goals as we reach them. Yea I got 315 I rock now I'm gonna go for 350. That is the majorities phylosophy including mine and that is awesome and the way I believe it should be. Well the steroid thing goes the same way, they go hand in hand. your bench goes up your size and so does the dosages over time. I didn't just say one day ok i'm going to do steroids and load 2 syringes a day and shoot em and a handfull of pills. Hell no I started slow and over time increased little by little. Going from the testoserones etc for size and then spring changing to the cutting drugs and diuretics. It was a vicious cycle. I'm not here preaching to everyone what to do or what not to do, I'm just telling you one individuals experiences with them. My experiences. If I were to give any advice on the subject I can give it in one sentence: I do not condone the use of steroids BUT if you are going to do them, treat them as you do your workout and diet; approach it with common sense and use them smartly. You have but one body and you can't replace it if you break it. (ok that was more then one sentence,, I lied)

Lightman009 · 01-27-2003, 10:54 PM

Cool man, thanks for sharing. Ive always wanted to hear personal experiences with roids. Its pretty damn interesting.

firestorm · 01-27-2003, 11:04 PM

Your welcome Light. Anytime.

**Mudge** · 01-28-2003, 12:02 AM

Yep, and so true. I'm still weary of the always on type cycles, but there are regular users (non competitors) doing it, and I'm finding lightweight people doing 16 week cycles, not that I'm huge either but I find it a little disturbing that people seem to be relying on the drugs and not the remainder of the routine.

Then thier logs, are "well I didn't work out all this week, but I gained 3 pounds anyway", next week "well I went to the gym 3 days this week, but haven't had time to eat right and I lost 2 pounds..." and thats no lie.

firestorm · 01-28-2003, 12:11 AM

yea its ashame that these kids get those drugs and have no clue how to use them correctly.

**Mudge** · 01-28-2003, 12:54 AM

It seems like alot of people are convinced they are somehow different, can stay on longer, stay off less, and need more than other people to make gains. As for the excuses with shitty cycles ending up in 10 pounds gained, there is no excuse for that.

RCfootball87 · 01-31-2003, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
What about Triple H. I remember him as Hunter Hearst Helmsly. He used to be so small. He had to weigh about 175lbs. Look at him now. He is huge.

i remember hunter hearst helmsley, wasn't that when he'd come out being all preppy and rich? he was way smaller then you're right.

Freeman · 01-31-2003, 10:48 PM

oh well...he looks good now, even if he does juice.

firestorm · 02-02-2003, 08:25 PM

Yup that he does Freeman,, thus I wear his shirt with honor. hahahaha

Lightman009 · 02-02-2003, 08:32 PM

The funny thing about Triple H is that he said before he got into wrestling that he was a bodybuilder and weighed 280 and had to slim down to 240 to wrestle because he couldnt move around the ring. Now hes at 272 again, he claims he knows his body that well that he can pretty much gain or lose anytime he wants. What do you guys thinK?

firestorm · 02-02-2003, 08:36 PM

I agree with him. I believe he can. All the pro bodybuilders do it routinly. It's all about your diet and "cycle".

**P-funk** · 02-02-2003, 08:49 PM

Quote:

The funny thing about Triple H is that he said before he got into wrestling that he was a bodybuilder and weighed 280 and had to slim down to 240 to wrestle because he couldnt move around the ring. Now hes at 272 again, he claims he knows his body that well that he can pretty much gain or lose anytime he wants. What do you guys thinK?

I don't believe that at all. When he started out as Hunter Hearst Helmsly he had to have weighed about 175-180lbs. The guy was skinny as a rail. There is no way he was 240lbs.

I am going to try and find an old picture.

01-27-2003, 07:33 AM	#35
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01-27-2003, 03:27 PM	#37
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 300	I do follow wrestling pretty closely and the only big difference I saw was when he first entered the WWF to now, but over the last two years he has appeared the same to me. After coming off his injury he was a little more cut, but otherwise pretty much the same. But I understand that he probably used, because he is so massive. Just Shut Up and LIFT.

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01-27-2003, 06:05 PM	#40
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	See!!! that's what I said - "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-27-2003, 06:18 PM	#42
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	But what about us? I CANNOT believe that you said that LOL - "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-27-2003, 12:12 AM	#31
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Agrees with Mudge. I'm actually wearing a HHH shirt right now. He is the man. I'm not fond of his current story line they provided him. I prefer him the badazz. For awhile now the only way he can win a match is if Flair gets involved. I was surprised at the PPV when he actually and fairly beat HBK. They are making him a candy azz. I like his character better the old way. Just mean tuff and bad.

01-27-2003, 06:28 PM	#44
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Hell in a handbasket... Hell in a handbasket... - "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-27-2003, 07:13 PM	#45
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	your starting to repeat yourself! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

01-27-2003, 07:59 PM	#47
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	way to go Fire. I'm glad you figured out who you really were and that you're a healthy and still strong man! www.kingsburymusic.net

01-27-2003, 08:35 PM	#48
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	You were a big shit Estrogen levels when coming off, some people get moody yep (aka clomid blues if not coming off cold turkey). I remember an article from an abuser, some years ago (probably around 90-92?), had yellow eyes and jaundice start to show up, but was nowhere near your size, interesting read though. I still of course believe there is such a thing as safe useage, and anyone very strong or large is SUSPECT. For those not schooled in roids there is only ignorance, not that it matters, but there is a reality out there, people use. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-27-2003, 10:03 PM	#49
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Thanks Freeman for your words bro. I agree Mudge, I believe "most" things are safe in moderation, alcohol for example. I did use those coming off drugs but when your really juicing HEAVY, it isn't a wonder drug although it helps and probably helps alot if you using in moderation. The problem I see with steroids is this. When we train, we always keep striving to be bigger and stronger. Who do you know ever got to a max weight such as 315 on the bench and said,, ok that's good I got 315 so now I can coast for the rest of my life. or,, ok I got my arms to 19 thats kewel, I'll only train to maintain for now on. I'm sure there are people out there that feel that way and that is great but most of us want more. We keep changing our goals as we reach them. Yea I got 315 I rock now I'm gonna go for 350. That is the majorities phylosophy including mine and that is awesome and the way I believe it should be. Well the steroid thing goes the same way, they go hand in hand. your bench goes up your size and so does the dosages over time. I didn't just say one day ok i'm going to do steroids and load 2 syringes a day and shoot em and a handfull of pills. Hell no I started slow and over time increased little by little. Going from the testoserones etc for size and then spring changing to the cutting drugs and diuretics. It was a vicious cycle. I'm not here preaching to everyone what to do or what not to do, I'm just telling you one individuals experiences with them. My experiences. If I were to give any advice on the subject I can give it in one sentence: I do not condone the use of steroids BUT if you are going to do them, treat them as you do your workout and diet; approach it with common sense and use them smartly. You have but one body and you can't replace it if you break it. (ok that was more then one sentence,, I lied)

01-27-2003, 10:54 PM	#50
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 300	Cool man, thanks for sharing. Ive always wanted to hear personal experiences with roids. Its pretty damn interesting. Just Shut Up and LIFT.

01-27-2003, 11:04 PM	#51
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Your welcome Light. Anytime.

01-28-2003, 12:02 AM	#52
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Yep, and so true. I'm still weary of the always on type cycles, but there are regular users (non competitors) doing it, and I'm finding lightweight people doing 16 week cycles, not that I'm huge either but I find it a little disturbing that people seem to be relying on the drugs and not the remainder of the routine. Then thier logs, are "well I didn't work out all this week, but I gained 3 pounds anyway", next week "well I went to the gym 3 days this week, but haven't had time to eat right and I lost 2 pounds..." and thats no lie. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-28-2003, 12:11 AM	#53
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	yea its ashame that these kids get those drugs and have no clue how to use them correctly.

01-28-2003, 12:54 AM	#54
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	It seems like alot of people are convinced they are somehow different, can stay on longer, stay off less, and need more than other people to make gains. As for the excuses with shitty cycles ending up in 10 pounds gained, there is no excuse for that. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-31-2003, 10:48 PM	#56
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	oh well...he looks good now, even if he does juice. www.kingsburymusic.net

02-02-2003, 08:25 PM	#57
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Yup that he does Freeman,, thus I wear his shirt with honor. hahahaha

02-02-2003, 08:32 PM	#58
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 300	The funny thing about Triple H is that he said before he got into wrestling that he was a bodybuilder and weighed 280 and had to slim down to 240 to wrestle because he couldnt move around the ring. Now hes at 272 again, he claims he knows his body that well that he can pretty much gain or lose anytime he wants. What do you guys thinK? Just Shut Up and LIFT.

02-02-2003, 08:36 PM	#59
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I agree with him. I believe he can. All the pro bodybuilders do it routinly. It's all about your diet and "cycle".

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