weight traning and martial arts??

greddy · 05-26-2003, 05:59 PM

hey all,

i've been into weight training for about 4 months now and absolutely love it, am seeing alot of progress and want to continue!

im now planning on taking up martial arts and doing about 2/3 nights a week on that..

the problem is.. with the training that i'm doing.. plus 2/3 extra nights of martial arts.. would this be overtraining? i'm scared i may wear myself out and end up giving up both..

my training consists of 40min of weight training, and 20min of HIIT straight after i do my weights... doing a 3 day split..(usually on a mon, wed, fri)

martial arts classes consists of 30min of intense cardio type exercise.. then followed by some sparring/forms(kata) practice..(classes run on mon, tue, thur, fri) but am only planning on going 2/3 lessons per week.

Would anyone please give me some advice as to how i could structure my weight training and martial arts so that i could do both, and still not running into the problem of overtraining..

I love both and am not willing to give up any..

Thanks in advance for you help and support..

greddy

racoon02 · 05-26-2003, 06:55 PM

I dont think it Will hurt you at all. If anything they will help eachother. Martial Arts will add flexibility. Wich in turn will help you get stronger leaner muscles. Overtraining? Nah, when I did Martial Arts it wasnt THAT intense. Alot of it is standing around listening to the instructor speak/teach you stuff. If you are worried about losing muscle or mass just up your calorie intake more, and you will be ok.

KataMaStEr · 05-26-2003, 07:09 PM

No I don’t think it will be overtraining. I attend my MA school 5 days a week, I also do weightlifting for football and still making gains. My classes are intense, I play football both ways for the whole game taking no more than around 5 plays out and I can seriously say I don’t get as exhausted doing football as I do in most of my classes. You’ll be ok.

greddy · 05-26-2003, 07:31 PM

thanks racoon and katamaster for your replies..

the only problem i had was i thought i was going to overtrain .. but seems to be ok now

katamaster.. just a question.. u do weight training and 5 days of MA's .. how do u fit that much into a week? do u sometimes overlap ur days of training and MA's? wouldnt this be exhausting?

thanks guys..

greddy

KataMaStEr · 05-26-2003, 09:19 PM

It depends what time of the year you would be talking about. My martial arts school has a flexible schedule. During the summer vacation I go to one of the classes neither at 10:00AM-11:30 or 2:00PM – 3:30 PM, weight lifting starts at 5:00PM – 7:00PM. During football season I can only attend my MA school 4 days a week 9:00PM – 10:30PM, Mon, Tues, Wed, Sat. Games are on Friday night and I take the day before the game off also. During football season weightlifting is in the morning on my 0 period weightlifting class 7:00AM – 8:15 AM. I always find a way to fit everything in

KataMaStEr · 05-26-2003, 09:27 PM

Yeah is exhausting sometimes, and to tell you the truth sometimes I don’t want to go to neither. But I know as soon as I step thru that door I get in to it so much I forget about it. Plus my martial arts training yes it is most of the time exhausting but not every single day, sparring days (Mon, Wed, Fri) are the ones that kill me, forms days are not to hard, plus we try to make our training fun so sometimes you really don’t feel like you been thru everything you have actually gone thru.

greddy · 05-27-2003, 04:49 PM

hey katamaster.. wat style of martial arts do u do may i ask? not for anything in particular just thought i'd see wat else are available out there.. i'm assuming u do karate as ur nick is "kata"master..

anywayz.. yeah, thanks for the advice.. i'll giv it a go, since my martial arts training consists of 30min cardio before each session.. i'll prob knock back on the cardio after i weight train.. (either reduce it to half or forget about it), and see how we go.. since too much cardio isnt beneficial on my weight training either..

cheers dude.. thanks again

KataMaStEr · 05-27-2003, 07:25 PM

Nah I have never done Karate. The only martial arts I have been on are Jhoon Rhee Tae Kwon do for 6 years and Judo for 4 years, stopped taking Judo when I was 15 years old. I’m looking forward on taking jiu-jitsu some time in the future, we’ll see.

KataMaStEr · 05-27-2003, 07:34 PM

By the way if you want to know more about martial arts and what stile may be good for you maybe if you’d like PM mmafiter he know a lot more about this stuff than I do, he even has a martial arts school if I’m not mistaken.

greddy · 05-27-2003, 10:42 PM

oh, so u planning on doing jiu-jitsu? thats a pretty good style from wat i heard.. im planning on doing some goju ryu.. been to some classes and think that's the style for me

anywayz.. thanks for the tips dude.. hope u end up doin that style.. and all the best!

firestorm · 06-02-2003, 07:27 PM

No its not overtraining. Two totally different types of workout. Marital Arts is more on the Cardio side of the spectrum.

firestorm · 06-02-2003, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greddy
oh, so u planning on doing jiu-jitsu? thats a pretty good style from wat i heard.. im planning on doing some goju ryu.. been to some classes and think that's the style for me

anywayz.. thanks for the tips dude.. hope u end up doin that style.. and all the best!

I'm a second Degree Black belt in go ju ryu. Very good style.

greddy · 06-03-2003, 04:44 PM

hello firestorm,

thanks for your reply..

what a coincidence, im planning to take up goju ryu also.. i like the way they train .. abit of everything.. katas, sparring, some meditation etc.. very enjoying to do..

and in regards to overtraining.. i usually do 20 min HIIT after my weight w/o.. 3 times a week, so i was concerned if i also did an extra 3 days of karate, then would i be o/t (what i really meant was overdoing cardio..). The goju class that i want to go to has like a 30 min high intensity cardio like training.. therefore i was abit concerned.. but if thats the case.. i might just quit my 20min HIIT and just use martial arts for my cardio .. damn good w/o though

thanks again for your reply firestorm, much appreciated..

also may i ask, how long did it take u to get ur 2nd dan? I believe it would have taken quite a while since goju ryu is quite a traditional style, and everything has to be done by the "books"..

cheers,
greddy

firestorm · 06-07-2003, 09:00 PM

No I don't mind your asking You need to know that I've practiced the martial arts since I was 8years old. reveived my 1st black belt in Tang-soo-do age 13. I stayed with that until 12th grade and then started Wing Chun Kung fu out of New York. Throughout collage and military I took many other styles including American Combat Karate, Savat, Choi Kwan do, Out of military took up Ogju ryu so needless to say I moved ahead quite quickly. Belts were of no concern to me and meant so little to me, out of all the styles I've taken I get confused as to what Dan I hold in this or that style. It really doesn't mean much unless these days. All my training was with one thing in mind, to better myself and be the best I could be in every aspect of my life. You can't put a color belt on that my man. to answer your original question, it took me one test to make 2nd. Approx 6 months from the start.(many of the forms I already knew or a similarity of them.)

greddy · 06-09-2003, 11:46 PM

thanks firestorm for your reply,

that's great that you have a wide variety of martial arts.. and most importantly, can relate one to the other to improve on your techniques..

i have also done a number of martial arts before, namely chito ryu and wing chun.. chito ryo is quite similar to goju ryu, which i really enjoyed doing before, but since i moved, there's no chito ryu around my area.. i picked up wing chun coz a friend recommended it.. i must say it is very powerful, took me a while to get use to the idea of blocking and striking at the same time, but i also enjoyed it very much..

but i wanna do goju ryu since i like the way they move.. and there's a place close to my new home..

anywayz, thanks firestorm for your advice..

much appreciated dude, and all the best with ur training and m/a

greddy

firestorm · 06-09-2003, 11:54 PM

It was all my pleasure Greddy anytime my friend!!!!

KataMaStEr · 06-10-2003, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
No I don't mind your asking You need to know that I've practiced the martial arts since I was 8years old. reveived my 1st black belt in Tang-soo-do age 13. I stayed with that until 12th grade and then started Wing Chun Kung fu out of New York. Throughout collage and military I took many other styles including American Combat Karate, Savat, Choi Kwan do, Out of military took up Ogju ryu so needless to say I moved ahead quite quickly. Belts were of no concern to me and meant so little to me, out of all the styles I've taken I get confused as to what Dan I hold in this or that style. It really doesn't mean much unless these days. All my training was with one thing in mind, to better myself and be the best I could be in every aspect of my life. You can't put a color belt on that my man. to answer your original question, it took me one test to make 2nd. Approx 6 months from the start.(many of the forms I already knew or a similarity of them.)

Oh man that’s a whole lot of stuff. Can you remembers the forums for all of those? it must be hard sometimes. Even if you practice it would probably take you a whole day to go thru all the forms. I agree very much with your opinion about belts. Anybody can put a black belt on, and there are many black belts out there but only a few are actually good.

firestorm · 06-10-2003, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KataMaStEr
Oh man that’s a whole lot of stuff. Can you remembers the forums for all of those? it must be hard sometimes. Even if you practice it would probably take you a whole day to go thru all the forms. I agree very much with your opinion about belts. Anybody can put a black belt on, and there are many black belts out there but only a few are actually good.

Well no I probably do not remember all the forms but in most cases, show me once and I'll remember how to do it. As for the black belts it like everything else here in the good ole USA. Fast food, Fast this and Fast that. We Americans don't want to put the time in and want everything as fast as we can get it. Martial Arts has like so many other things became to modernized for my liking. In days of old, it took many many years to reach black belt and when you did you were a bad ass both mentally and physically. very few schools these days spend much time on the mental aspects of the arts. I can't remember the last time I ever walked into a school and the entire class sat in silent meditation. Then again,, your paying up to 150.00 dollars a month and nobody wants to pay that kind of money to sleep. It's all a shame. Anyway, I've just disregarded the belt systems and I teach my kids the way it was meant to be taught. They both got WHITE belts and as the belts get older and dirtier the color will change naturally. that is how you earn a black belt that really means something

firestorm · 06-10-2003, 01:25 AM

Oh and in regards to forms,, it's not the amount of forms you know but how perfect you perform the ones you know.

firestorm · 06-10-2003, 01:34 AM

If you like forms I have something that I think can be a lot of fun to do and I still do this. Stand outside or in a big open space. Mentally visualize an attacker coming at you. Picture him striking and react to it with an actual block and strike. so basically your having an imaginary fight execpt your actually performing your movements. After you can take this imaginary guy and not beat yourself up(hahaha),, move on to multiple attackers. Visualize their positions around you and methodically attack and defend againt all of them. Now this isn't as easy as it sounds if your doing it correctly. You have to have a good imagination and pay attention to details such as,,, if I turn and strike the closest foe, the others are beginning to move and not were I 1st mentally placed them. Trust me if you do this correctly it really helps you in real situations and it is an excellent mental excercise.

05-26-2003, 05:59 PM	#1
greddy Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	weight traning and martial arts?? hey all, i've been into weight training for about 4 months now and absolutely love it, am seeing alot of progress and want to continue! im now planning on taking up martial arts and doing about 2/3 nights a week on that.. the problem is.. with the training that i'm doing.. plus 2/3 extra nights of martial arts.. would this be overtraining? i'm scared i may wear myself out and end up giving up both.. my training consists of 40min of weight training, and 20min of HIIT straight after i do my weights... doing a 3 day split..(usually on a mon, wed, fri) martial arts classes consists of 30min of intense cardio type exercise.. then followed by some sparring/forms(kata) practice..(classes run on mon, tue, thur, fri) but am only planning on going 2/3 lessons per week. Would anyone please give me some advice as to how i could structure my weight training and martial arts so that i could do both, and still not running into the problem of overtraining.. I love both and am not willing to give up any.. Thanks in advance for you help and support.. greddy

05-26-2003, 06:55 PM	#2
racoon02 Tiny Tom Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Clear Lake, Texas Posts: 353 Photos: 8	I dont think it Will hurt you at all. If anything they will help eachother. Martial Arts will add flexibility. Wich in turn will help you get stronger leaner muscles. Overtraining? Nah, when I did Martial Arts it wasnt THAT intense. Alot of it is standing around listening to the instructor speak/teach you stuff. If you are worried about losing muscle or mass just up your calorie intake more, and you will be ok. Lift hard, or go home! Zed : Bring out the Gimp. Maynard : But the Gimp's sleeping. Zed : Well, I guess you're gonna have to go wake him up now, won't you?

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05-26-2003, 07:09 PM	#3
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	No I don’t think it will be overtraining. I attend my MA school 5 days a week, I also do weightlifting for football and still making gains. My classes are intense, I play football both ways for the whole game taking no more than around 5 plays out and I can seriously say I don’t get as exhausted doing football as I do in most of my classes. You’ll be ok.

05-26-2003, 07:31 PM	#4
greddy Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	thanks racoon and katamaster for your replies.. the only problem i had was i thought i was going to overtrain .. but seems to be ok now katamaster.. just a question.. u do weight training and 5 days of MA's .. how do u fit that much into a week? do u sometimes overlap ur days of training and MA's? wouldnt this be exhausting? thanks guys.. greddy

05-26-2003, 09:19 PM	#5
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	It depends what time of the year you would be talking about. My martial arts school has a flexible schedule. During the summer vacation I go to one of the classes neither at 10:00AM-11:30 or 2:00PM – 3:30 PM, weight lifting starts at 5:00PM – 7:00PM. During football season I can only attend my MA school 4 days a week 9:00PM – 10:30PM, Mon, Tues, Wed, Sat. Games are on Friday night and I take the day before the game off also. During football season weightlifting is in the morning on my 0 period weightlifting class 7:00AM – 8:15 AM. I always find a way to fit everything in

05-26-2003, 09:27 PM	#6
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	Yeah is exhausting sometimes, and to tell you the truth sometimes I don’t want to go to neither. But I know as soon as I step thru that door I get in to it so much I forget about it. Plus my martial arts training yes it is most of the time exhausting but not every single day, sparring days (Mon, Wed, Fri) are the ones that kill me, forms days are not to hard, plus we try to make our training fun so sometimes you really don’t feel like you been thru everything you have actually gone thru.

05-27-2003, 04:49 PM	#7
greddy Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	hey katamaster.. wat style of martial arts do u do may i ask? not for anything in particular just thought i'd see wat else are available out there.. i'm assuming u do karate as ur nick is "kata"master.. anywayz.. yeah, thanks for the advice.. i'll giv it a go, since my martial arts training consists of 30min cardio before each session.. i'll prob knock back on the cardio after i weight train.. (either reduce it to half or forget about it), and see how we go.. since too much cardio isnt beneficial on my weight training either.. cheers dude.. thanks again

05-27-2003, 07:25 PM	#8
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	Nah I have never done Karate. The only martial arts I have been on are Jhoon Rhee Tae Kwon do for 6 years and Judo for 4 years, stopped taking Judo when I was 15 years old. I’m looking forward on taking jiu-jitsu some time in the future, we’ll see.

05-27-2003, 07:34 PM	#9
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	By the way if you want to know more about martial arts and what stile may be good for you maybe if you’d like PM mmafiter he know a lot more about this stuff than I do, he even has a martial arts school if I’m not mistaken.

05-27-2003, 10:42 PM	#10
greddy Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	oh, so u planning on doing jiu-jitsu? thats a pretty good style from wat i heard.. im planning on doing some goju ryu.. been to some classes and think that's the style for me anywayz.. thanks for the tips dude.. hope u end up doin that style.. and all the best!

06-02-2003, 07:27 PM	#11
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	No its not overtraining. Two totally different types of workout. Marital Arts is more on the Cardio side of the spectrum.

06-03-2003, 04:44 PM	#13
greddy Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	hello firestorm, thanks for your reply.. what a coincidence, im planning to take up goju ryu also.. i like the way they train .. abit of everything.. katas, sparring, some meditation etc.. very enjoying to do.. and in regards to overtraining.. i usually do 20 min HIIT after my weight w/o.. 3 times a week, so i was concerned if i also did an extra 3 days of karate, then would i be o/t (what i really meant was overdoing cardio..). The goju class that i want to go to has like a 30 min high intensity cardio like training.. therefore i was abit concerned.. but if thats the case.. i might just quit my 20min HIIT and just use martial arts for my cardio .. damn good w/o though thanks again for your reply firestorm, much appreciated.. also may i ask, how long did it take u to get ur 2nd dan? I believe it would have taken quite a while since goju ryu is quite a traditional style, and everything has to be done by the "books".. cheers, greddy

06-07-2003, 09:00 PM	#14
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	No I don't mind your asking You need to know that I've practiced the martial arts since I was 8years old. reveived my 1st black belt in Tang-soo-do age 13. I stayed with that until 12th grade and then started Wing Chun Kung fu out of New York. Throughout collage and military I took many other styles including American Combat Karate, Savat, Choi Kwan do, Out of military took up Ogju ryu so needless to say I moved ahead quite quickly. Belts were of no concern to me and meant so little to me, out of all the styles I've taken I get confused as to what Dan I hold in this or that style. It really doesn't mean much unless these days. All my training was with one thing in mind, to better myself and be the best I could be in every aspect of my life. You can't put a color belt on that my man. to answer your original question, it took me one test to make 2nd. Approx 6 months from the start.(many of the forms I already knew or a similarity of them.)

06-09-2003, 11:46 PM	#15
greddy Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	thanks firestorm for your reply, that's great that you have a wide variety of martial arts.. and most importantly, can relate one to the other to improve on your techniques.. i have also done a number of martial arts before, namely chito ryu and wing chun.. chito ryo is quite similar to goju ryu, which i really enjoyed doing before, but since i moved, there's no chito ryu around my area.. i picked up wing chun coz a friend recommended it.. i must say it is very powerful, took me a while to get use to the idea of blocking and striking at the same time, but i also enjoyed it very much.. but i wanna do goju ryu since i like the way they move.. and there's a place close to my new home.. anywayz, thanks firestorm for your advice.. much appreciated dude, and all the best with ur training and m/a greddy

06-09-2003, 11:54 PM	#16
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	It was all my pleasure Greddy anytime my friend!!!!

06-10-2003, 01:25 AM	#19
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Oh and in regards to forms,, it's not the amount of forms you know but how perfect you perform the ones you know.

06-10-2003, 01:34 AM	#20
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	If you like forms I have something that I think can be a lot of fun to do and I still do this. Stand outside or in a big open space. Mentally visualize an attacker coming at you. Picture him striking and react to it with an actual block and strike. so basically your having an imaginary fight execpt your actually performing your movements. After you can take this imaginary guy and not beat yourself up(hahaha),, move on to multiple attackers. Visualize their positions around you and methodically attack and defend againt all of them. Now this isn't as easy as it sounds if your doing it correctly. You have to have a good imagination and pay attention to details such as,,, if I turn and strike the closest foe, the others are beginning to move and not were I 1st mentally placed them. Trust me if you do this correctly it really helps you in real situations and it is an excellent mental excercise.