Possible to gain and lose at the same time?

Twin Peak · 06-16-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
I'm positive it was muscle gain TP seeing my legs got 2" bigger with no fat gain.

Now I'm trying to shrink the muscle

I am not saying whether it was or wasn't.

I am saying that your implication that you "must have" gained muscle by the evidence of the stength increase is not *necessarily* correct.

**dg806** · 06-16-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
OMG! I hardly call a size 3 Plump!!!

Mudge, abandon ship, abandon ship!!!

DaMayor · 06-16-2003, 01:05 PM

Hey Mudge, Pretty and Plump? Ouch!

Yeah, I hate to hear that Jodi.

Size 3 must really suck....especially considering that most women are an average size 10-12 or bigger.

**Jodi** · 06-16-2003, 01:06 PM

TP Did you see my leg pics? Its obvious I gained muscle.

Twin Peak · 06-16-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
TP Did you see my leg pics? Its obvious I gained muscle.

I did. And I agree. I am not disputing this point. I think you misunderstand me.

BTW, I have a similar problem. Pants/shorts that fit me around the waist do not fit me in the upper leg/quad area.

**Jodi** · 06-16-2003, 01:17 PM

Oh, Ok, so then how did I do it then?

And yes, it sucks especially for a women have to increase your pant size because of your legs as well as mentally disappointing.

DM - I don't want to be the average women

**Mudge** · 06-16-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
TP Did you see my leg pics? Its obvious I gained muscle.

Jodi, dont take offense. I have never even been to P&P, I dont know what they have. But my situation is like this, my T shirts look like I stole them from my little brother (thats what someone told me), and Big and Tall is the only place I can get a T shirt with different dimensions that DONT make the T shirt longer.

Same with the pants, its the only place I could go without just upping the waist size. I went from 32/32 years ago, to 34/32, and now I wear a 36/32 because I wont fit in anything else without ripping the crotch walking

**Mudge** · 06-16-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
BTW, I have a similar problem. Pants/shorts that fit me around the waist do not fit me in the upper leg/quad area.

'Xactly.

**Mudge** · 06-16-2003, 01:19 PM

If only some company would make clothes for "bodybuilder" types that didn't have stupid logos everywhere

Twin Peak · 06-16-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
Oh, Ok, so then how did I do it then?

I repeat, you missunderstand me.

**Jodi** · 06-16-2003, 01:31 PM

I must be.

Twin Peak · 06-16-2003, 01:54 PM

I never said it can't be done. Just said that except the previously discussed exceptions, it was not the most efficient, or quickest way to gain as much muscle and lose as much fat, as possible, over an extended period of time.

That is all.

Then you countered with the fact that you gained strength while dieting.

Although this does not counter what I previously states, I simply said that while in a hypocaloric state it is easier to gain strength then it is to gain muscle, an one does not necessarily mean the other.

**Jodi** · 06-16-2003, 02:02 PM

Gotcha!

For the record I never said it was the most effective way I just said yest it can be done!

**Mudge** · 06-16-2003, 02:28 PM

Ditto

tjwes · 06-16-2003, 03:09 PM

Prp- Hormones don`t work ,save your money and eat a lot of good quality food.An intermediate lifter is someone who has been training "Correctly" and intensely for about two years or so and has graduated beyond the beginner basics,it has nothing to do with arm size or competing.

Robboe · 06-16-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by tjwes
Prp- Hormones don`t work ,

All due respect, there are hundreds of prohormones users who would beg to differ.

We're not talking about "andro" from back in the day here.

Twin Peak · 06-16-2003, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tjwes
Prp- Hormones don`t work ,save your money and eat a lot of good quality food.An intermediate lifter is someone who has been training "Correctly" and intensely for about two years or so and has graduated beyond the beginner basics,it has nothing to do with arm size or competing.

Wow, you have all the answers don't you?

And Rob, you could probably safely say, thousands of users.

Robboe · 06-16-2003, 04:24 PM

I initially wrote thousands, but i wasn't sure in all honesty. You're probably right.

**dg806** · 06-16-2003, 05:01 PM

Wanna go for a million??

Robboe · 06-16-2003, 05:41 PM

Don't be such a dumbass. There's no where near 1 million people on this planet.

Only a fool would think otherwise.

**dg806** · 06-16-2003, 05:49 PM

I hope your kidding!

Twin Peak · 06-16-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Don't be such a dumbass. There's no where near 1 million people on this planet.

Only a fool would think otherwise.

This was my thought exactly.

**dg806** · 06-16-2003, 06:55 PM

Malachor · 06-16-2003, 08:11 PM

Being a teenager I guess I definitely have the advantage on eatting whatever I want and still gaining muscle/size. I gained a lot of fat in the last year, but nonetheless muscle and strength were gained. I was getting half my protein from milk because I didn't know how bad sugar could be for gaining fat. Plus, milk does have quite a bit of fat in it. In a little over a year I went from a 32/32 to a 39/32. Now I'm trying to lose the extra fat while keeping my muscle. It's not going very fast, but I'm also not eatting 100% clean. I still eat a lot of fattening foods, but I've lost a lot of empty calories by cutting out things like soda, candy, and excess fat/sugar products. I have lost fat around the top abs, but I'm still working on the waste.

The biggest problem is finding shirts that I like that fit me. Being 6'3 and having gained quite a bit of muscle in my upper body has proved to be a problem. Most XL shirts I find are too short for me and they look like I'm too poor or dumb to find shirts that fit. Also, old XL shirts that have fit right, are being worn out sine I wear them more due to finding less clothes. It indeed sucks. I haven't had the problem finding shorts or pants that fit right due to leg thickness. I guess that's coming next...

gr81 · 06-16-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I read T-Mag now and again, and I have no idea where you get the idea that this is impossible.

Simply working out can help the metabolism itself, fix up the diet, as well as the muscle itself needing its own calories for sustaining itself. Overall though unless your genetically gifted, your going to have to live with less progress each way. This is why people bulk, or cut, generally speaking doing both at the same time is like trying to step forwards and backwards at the same time. Its possible but you have to live with slower progress, especially if natural.

It is not however impossible. Like Fit Freak eluded to however, unless you get things right you may just end up frustrated.

Building muscle and losing fat is entirely different than slowing adding quality muscle without packing on the fat. I challenge anyone in this thread to explain biologically how it IS possible to build muscle while on a cutting diet. It isn't possible unless you are on drugs, and alot of them at that. Some people may be more genetically predisposed to have an easier time adding lean muscle than others, but it isn't happening. Do you know how many cals make up just 1lb of muscle? It's as simple as that this: you need to burn more cals than you consume to lose fat, and to gain muscle you need need to consume more than you burn. Adipose tissue doesn't transform magically into muscle tissue, so where are all the nutrients and cals that are needed to make up a lb of muscle even, where is it coming from when you are on a restricted diet? please tell me. This is a ridiculous arguement. You all have been watching to many late night infomercials.

tjwes · 06-16-2003, 08:21 PM

TP, I don`t have all the answers ,but beleive me their not all on this website.I contend that you CAN build muscle and lose fat at the same time.It`s not a "cutting up diet ,but an all around hi-protein ,moderate zig-zag carb intake,low good fat intake,tons of water,and some gut busting intense training.Oh by the way,do you have all the answer`s? Don`t be so dogmatic.

06-16-2003, 01:06 PM	#34
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,233 Photos: 1	TP Did you see my leg pics? Its obvious I gained muscle.
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06-16-2003, 01:17 PM	#36
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,233 Photos: 1	Oh, Ok, so then how did I do it then? And yes, it sucks especially for a women have to increase your pant size because of your legs as well as mentally disappointing. DM - I don't want to be the average women
	Essence EFA

06-16-2003, 01:19 PM	#39
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	If only some company would make clothes for "bodybuilder" types that didn't have stupid logos everywhere
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06-16-2003, 01:31 PM	#41
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,233 Photos: 1	I must be.
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06-16-2003, 01:54 PM	#42
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I never said it can't be done. Just said that except the previously discussed exceptions, it was not the most efficient, or quickest way to gain as much muscle and lose as much fat, as possible, over an extended period of time. That is all. Then you countered with the fact that you gained strength while dieting. Although this does not counter what I previously states, I simply said that while in a hypocaloric state it is easier to gain strength then it is to gain muscle, an one does not necessarily mean the other.
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06-16-2003, 01:05 PM	#33
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,763	Hey Mudge, Pretty and Plump? Ouch! Yeah, I hate to hear that Jodi. Size 3 must really suck....especially considering that most women are an average size 10-12 or bigger.

06-16-2003, 02:02 PM	#43
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,233 Photos: 1	Gotcha! For the record I never said it was the most effective way I just said yest it can be done!
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06-16-2003, 02:28 PM	#44
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	Ditto
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06-16-2003, 03:09 PM	#45
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	Prp- Hormones don`t work ,save your money and eat a lot of good quality food.An intermediate lifter is someone who has been training "Correctly" and intensely for about two years or so and has graduated beyond the beginner basics,it has nothing to do with arm size or competing.
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06-16-2003, 04:24 PM	#48
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	I initially wrote thousands, but i wasn't sure in all honesty. You're probably right.
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06-16-2003, 05:01 PM	#49
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,085	Wanna go for a million??
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06-16-2003, 05:41 PM	#50
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Don't be such a dumbass. There's no where near 1 million people on this planet. Only a fool would think otherwise.
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06-16-2003, 05:49 PM	#51
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,085	I hope your kidding!
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06-16-2003, 08:11 PM	#54
Malachor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 184	Being a teenager I guess I definitely have the advantage on eatting whatever I want and still gaining muscle/size. I gained a lot of fat in the last year, but nonetheless muscle and strength were gained. I was getting half my protein from milk because I didn't know how bad sugar could be for gaining fat. Plus, milk does have quite a bit of fat in it. In a little over a year I went from a 32/32 to a 39/32. Now I'm trying to lose the extra fat while keeping my muscle. It's not going very fast, but I'm also not eatting 100% clean. I still eat a lot of fattening foods, but I've lost a lot of empty calories by cutting out things like soda, candy, and excess fat/sugar products. I have lost fat around the top abs, but I'm still working on the waste. The biggest problem is finding shirts that I like that fit me. Being 6'3 and having gained quite a bit of muscle in my upper body has proved to be a problem. Most XL shirts I find are too short for me and they look like I'm too poor or dumb to find shirts that fit. Also, old XL shirts that have fit right, are being worn out sine I wear them more due to finding less clothes. It indeed sucks. I haven't had the problem finding shorts or pants that fit right due to leg thickness. I guess that's coming next...
Malachor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 184

06-16-2003, 08:21 PM	#56
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	TP, I don`t have all the answers ,but beleive me their not all on this website.I contend that you CAN build muscle and lose fat at the same time.It`s not a "cutting up diet ,but an all around hi-protein ,moderate zig-zag carb intake,low good fat intake,tons of water,and some gut busting intense training.Oh by the way,do you have all the answer`s? Don`t be so dogmatic.
	My Website: http://www.geocities.com/timbuktuweights/ My Forum: http://timwescott.proboards18.com/index.cgi

06-16-2003, 08:24 PM	#57
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8