strength gains = muscle mass?

perfecto · 06-18-2003, 08:47 AM

ok because its hard to tell whether you are adding muscle due to seeing yourself everyday, is it probable to say that if you are increasing in lifts you are geting bigger? presuming you train heavy and high volume. Hope this question makes sense..

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tjwes · 06-18-2003, 09:00 AM

Only if you are taking in more calories than you are burning off.You can definately get stronger without a correlating increase in muscle size.Simply look at powerlifters ,especially in the lower weight classes.

Twin Peak · 06-18-2003, 09:07 AM

They are correlated, but it certainly is not linear. But as a general rule of thumb, yes, you can assume as much.

I find, frequently, that strength gains happen first, then hypertrophy kicks in shortly thereafter.

Malachor · 06-18-2003, 01:14 PM

On the flipside of the question.

What do you lose first, muscle or strength?

Malachor · 06-18-2003, 01:17 PM

I apologize for being so broad. I would assume that you can keep muscle longer than strength if you continue to use the same weights and eat properly. Then I suppose you could assume that strength would hover if kept at the same weights and eatting properly.

Anymore incite on this?

Twin Peak · 06-18-2003, 01:18 PM

Personally, strength. I imagine that differs.

perfecto · 06-19-2003, 08:06 AM

whats the difference in training principles between powerlifting and normal mass building training?

Malachor · 06-19-2003, 05:56 PM

powerlifters do a lot of triples, doubles, and singles along with speed work, use of chains, and bands to work for the explosive power. they do box squats of various heights to strengthen their squats in certain areas to help gain that explosiveness. pretty much all of powerlifting is optimizing form to become more explosive and strong. they don't care what they look like, at least most of them it seems anyways.

powerlifting focused mainly on their three lifts: deadlift, squat, and bench. any other work they do is to strengthen these lifts in some way.

mass building obvious focuses on getting a symmetrical look and a big look for some. so you're going to basically do those 3 fundamental lifts as well, but you add the extra lifts that work best for your physique.

**Mudge** · 06-19-2003, 06:52 PM

Measurements every 2-4 weeks sound good. I can say that I can gain or lose strength and not be any different in size measurably, and really there is no direct correlation but there is some kind of relation in most people no doubt. Size can't be compared from one person to the next though and mean that they lift the same weights even if they are the same height/weight, and you can keep your weight down in PL classes and still increase in strength.

Many PLs are not as large or lean as bodybuilders, yet they are generally the stronger of the two.

Rep range, rest periods (and days between bodyparts), are the two primary differences I'd say, but also they are going to stick to more compound movements where BBs will mix it up a bit more and do a higher volume of total sets, and reps.

06-18-2003, 08:47 AM	#1
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tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	Only if you are taking in more calories than you are burning off.You can definately get stronger without a correlating increase in muscle size.Simply look at powerlifters ,especially in the lower weight classes.
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Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	They are correlated, but it certainly is not linear. But as a general rule of thumb, yes, you can assume as much. I find, frequently, that strength gains happen first, then hypertrophy kicks in shortly thereafter.
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Malachor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 184	On the flipside of the question. What do you lose first, muscle or strength?
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Malachor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 184	I apologize for being so broad. I would assume that you can keep muscle longer than strength if you continue to use the same weights and eat properly. Then I suppose you could assume that strength would hover if kept at the same weights and eatting properly. Anymore incite on this?
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Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Personally, strength. I imagine that differs.
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perfecto dirty but nice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: land down under your mum Posts: 390 Photos: 5	whats the difference in training principles between powerlifting and normal mass building training?
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06-19-2003, 05:56 PM	#8
Malachor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 184	powerlifters do a lot of triples, doubles, and singles along with speed work, use of chains, and bands to work for the explosive power. they do box squats of various heights to strengthen their squats in certain areas to help gain that explosiveness. pretty much all of powerlifting is optimizing form to become more explosive and strong. they don't care what they look like, at least most of them it seems anyways. powerlifting focused mainly on their three lifts: deadlift, squat, and bench. any other work they do is to strengthen these lifts in some way. mass building obvious focuses on getting a symmetrical look and a big look for some. so you're going to basically do those 3 fundamental lifts as well, but you add the extra lifts that work best for your physique.
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06-19-2003, 06:52 PM	#9
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Measurements every 2-4 weeks sound good. I can say that I can gain or lose strength and not be any different in size measurably, and really there is no direct correlation but there is some kind of relation in most people no doubt. Size can't be compared from one person to the next though and mean that they lift the same weights even if they are the same height/weight, and you can keep your weight down in PL classes and still increase in strength. Many PLs are not as large or lean as bodybuilders, yet they are generally the stronger of the two. Rep range, rest periods (and days between bodyparts), are the two primary differences I'd say, but also they are going to stick to more compound movements where BBs will mix it up a bit more and do a higher volume of total sets, and reps.
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