Chest & Bi's or Chest & Tri's

iSlaNdEr bOy · 06-18-2003, 01:12 PM

Is it best to workout your bi's or tri's with your chest? I've asked a couple people from my gym and I got mixed answers. I do remember working out chest and tri's when I first started. But after working my chest, my tri's were already tired that when I would work them out. . .I didn't feel like I was working them out to its full potential because I could barely lift the usualy weight. So, now I do chest and bi's, but if the other way around will get me better results, then I'll switch.

kanun · 06-18-2003, 01:27 PM

Just like you, when trying to train tris after chest (and bis after back) I found I was too tired and couldn't lift as much.
So now I do bis after chest and tris after back, and I think the results are better.
This is definitely not the same for everyone, though.

tjwes · 06-18-2003, 01:30 PM

He answered his own question.Kanun,I do the same as you and have gotten great results from it.

**Mudge** · 06-18-2003, 01:47 PM

The theories are probably in the hundreds on why to do one or the other.

The theory behind doing chest/tricep is that you are already working the tricep and warming them up, so you are simply finishing, and avoiding overtraining.

The theory behind not doing it that way is obviously to lift more and supposedly therefore gain more.

Yet another theory is to do biceps/triceps together, as in HST, which says to do just that.

I've gotten results from all the above, just to add to the confusion

iSlaNdEr bOy · 06-18-2003, 01:55 PM

Thanks fellas. I think I'll continue to work chest and bi's. Just wanted to see what other people thought.

**dg806** · 06-18-2003, 02:45 PM

Just don't do tri's the day after chest!

gr81 · 06-18-2003, 07:00 PM

I like doing the tris with the chest b/c it allows me to combine the two into one WO. Alot of the tri exercisses I do combine the chest and visa versa, like the close grips and Dips, obviously the pressing movements involve the tris too. So I like hitting both muscles in one fowl swoop. Plus I am a fan of the pre exhaustion method.

perfecto · 06-19-2003, 01:31 AM

I had the exact problem wit training chest/shoulders, that after training chest i simply couldnt lift anything for my shoulders. What ive learned is that it is better to workout chest/bi's because when you see yourself lifting heavier weight for unexuasted muscles it helps mentally and you therefore make better gains.

kanun · 06-19-2003, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by perfecto
...it helps mentally and you therefore make better gains.

tjwes · 06-19-2003, 05:09 AM

gr81,Don`t you think you could be overtraining one bodypart or the other training this way?I mean if you do benches for pecs and close grips for tris isn`t it a little overkill?I don`t know how many sets you do per bodypart but it may be a little much.

**dg806** · 06-19-2003, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by perfecto
I had the exact problem wit training chest/shoulders, that after training chest i simply couldnt lift anything for my shoulders. What ive learned is that it is better to workout chest/bi's because when you see yourself lifting heavier weight for unexuasted muscles it helps mentally and you therefore make better gains.

Never do two major muscle groups in one day. They need a day of their own!

perfecto · 06-19-2003, 07:57 AM

i agree thats why i changed long ago, but some would argue that shoulders isnt a major muscle group

RnRGirl · 06-19-2003, 09:13 AM

I'm new here, but for what its worth I do:
chest/back
triceps/biceps
shoulders/calves
legs

perfecto · 06-19-2003, 09:45 AM

any one will tell you that training chest and back together is wrong since they are two major muscle groups and each needs its own day, perhaps chest can be paired up with bi's and back with tri's or abs, etc.

jadakris31 · 06-19-2003, 01:25 PM

i do

chest
back
shoulders and tris
legs and bi's

tjwes · 06-19-2003, 03:43 PM

I could never do bi`s on leg day ,I go so hard on my legs I have nothing left.

bigpump23 · 06-19-2003, 05:41 PM

my split
m-chest
tues-back
wed-legs
thrus-shoulders
fri-arms

I feel that doing arms together makes for an awesome pump

**Mudge** · 06-19-2003, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by perfecto
any one will tell you that training chest and back together is wrong since they are two major muscle groups and each needs its own day, perhaps chest can be paired up with bi's and back with tri's or abs, etc.

Probably most everyone, but some people believe that push/pull is somehow magical.

gr81 · 06-19-2003, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tjwes
gr81,Don`t you think you could be overtraining one bodypart or the other training this way?I mean if you do benches for pecs and close grips for tris isn`t it a little overkill?I don`t know how many sets you do per bodypart but it may be a little much.

no it isn't overtraining, the volume isn't high enough to be overtraining. I am in control of things

jadakris31 · 06-22-2003, 02:28 PM

when i do tri's i still get sore for like 3 days so i could never do chest on monday, tri's on friday... i have trouble putting up alot of weight on monday if i do tri's on thursday....

i might try doing chest tri's together... or would that be over training the tri's?

heeholler · 06-22-2003, 08:13 PM

Just don't get piratophobia - Fear of a sunken chest!
Chest and tri's are fine to do. You can switch it up every few weeks by doing chest tris or chest bis.
You can also just have a chest day, and a back day, and do tris and bis the same day, superset. Just get your routine so as there is enough time between workouts so as it doesnt interfere with chest or back....

jadakris31 · 06-23-2003, 05:29 AM

would this be alright

- chest
- back tri's
- shoulders bi's
- legs

would it be alright to do tri's the day after chest, and doing tri's then would it affect shoulders? or would this be better

- chest
- back
- shoulders and tri's
- legs and bi's

06-18-2003, 01:12 PM	#1
iSlaNdEr bOy wOrK iN pRoGrEsS Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: sAn DiEgO Posts: 128	Chest & Bi's or Chest & Tri's Is it best to workout your bi's or tri's with your chest? I've asked a couple people from my gym and I got mixed answers. I do remember working out chest and tri's when I first started. But after working my chest, my tri's were already tired that when I would work them out. . .I didn't feel like I was working them out to its full potential because I could barely lift the usualy weight. So, now I do chest and bi's, but if the other way around will get me better results, then I'll switch.

06-18-2003, 01:27 PM	#2
kanun renewbie Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Malta, Europe Posts: 195	Just like you, when trying to train tris after chest (and bis after back) I found I was too tired and couldn't lift as much. So now I do bis after chest and tris after back, and I think the results are better. This is definitely not the same for everyone, though.
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06-18-2003, 01:30 PM	#3
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	He answered his own question.Kanun,I do the same as you and have gotten great results from it.
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06-18-2003, 01:47 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	The theories are probably in the hundreds on why to do one or the other. The theory behind doing chest/tricep is that you are already working the tricep and warming them up, so you are simply finishing, and avoiding overtraining. The theory behind not doing it that way is obviously to lift more and supposedly therefore gain more. Yet another theory is to do biceps/triceps together, as in HST, which says to do just that. I've gotten results from all the above, just to add to the confusion
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06-18-2003, 02:45 PM	#6
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,158	Just don't do tri's the day after chest!
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06-18-2003, 01:55 PM	#5
iSlaNdEr bOy wOrK iN pRoGrEsS Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: sAn DiEgO Posts: 128	Thanks fellas. I think I'll continue to work chest and bi's. Just wanted to see what other people thought.

06-18-2003, 07:00 PM	#7
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	I like doing the tris with the chest b/c it allows me to combine the two into one WO. Alot of the tri exercisses I do combine the chest and visa versa, like the close grips and Dips, obviously the pressing movements involve the tris too. So I like hitting both muscles in one fowl swoop. Plus I am a fan of the pre exhaustion method.
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06-19-2003, 01:31 AM	#8
perfecto dirty but nice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: land down under your mum Posts: 390 Photos: 5	I had the exact problem wit training chest/shoulders, that after training chest i simply couldnt lift anything for my shoulders. What ive learned is that it is better to workout chest/bi's because when you see yourself lifting heavier weight for unexuasted muscles it helps mentally and you therefore make better gains.
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06-19-2003, 05:09 AM	#10
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	gr81,Don`t you think you could be overtraining one bodypart or the other training this way?I mean if you do benches for pecs and close grips for tris isn`t it a little overkill?I don`t know how many sets you do per bodypart but it may be a little much.
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06-19-2003, 07:57 AM	#12
perfecto dirty but nice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: land down under your mum Posts: 390 Photos: 5	i agree thats why i changed long ago, but some would argue that shoulders isnt a major muscle group
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06-19-2003, 09:13 AM	#13
RnRGirl Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Missouri Posts: 137	I'm new here, but for what its worth I do: chest/back triceps/biceps shoulders/calves legs
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06-19-2003, 09:45 AM	#14
perfecto dirty but nice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: land down under your mum Posts: 390 Photos: 5	any one will tell you that training chest and back together is wrong since they are two major muscle groups and each needs its own day, perhaps chest can be paired up with bi's and back with tri's or abs, etc.
	"a scientist who works out, your like Indiana Jones"..."I AM LIKE INDIANA JONES" "dont hate me cause im beautiful baby, hate me cause your mother thinks so"

06-19-2003, 01:25 PM	#15
jadakris31 jersey's here Join Date: May 2003 Location: nj Posts: 390 Photos: 1	i do chest back shoulders and tris legs and bi's
	somehow trying to get the abs but bulk at the same time.......

06-19-2003, 03:43 PM	#16
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	I could never do bi`s on leg day ,I go so hard on my legs I have nothing left.
	My Website: http://www.geocities.com/timbuktuweights/ My Forum: http://timwescott.proboards18.com/index.cgi

06-19-2003, 05:41 PM	#17
bigpump23 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 36	my split m-chest tues-back wed-legs thrus-shoulders fri-arms I feel that doing arms together makes for an awesome pump
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06-22-2003, 02:28 PM	#20
jadakris31 jersey's here Join Date: May 2003 Location: nj Posts: 390 Photos: 1	when i do tri's i still get sore for like 3 days so i could never do chest on monday, tri's on friday... i have trouble putting up alot of weight on monday if i do tri's on thursday.... i might try doing chest tri's together... or would that be over training the tri's?
	somehow trying to get the abs but bulk at the same time.......

06-22-2003, 08:13 PM	#21
heeholler Mad As Toast Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 2,811	Just don't get piratophobia - Fear of a sunken chest! Chest and tri's are fine to do. You can switch it up every few weeks by doing chest tris or chest bis. You can also just have a chest day, and a back day, and do tris and bis the same day, superset. Just get your routine so as there is enough time between workouts so as it doesnt interfere with chest or back....
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06-23-2003, 05:29 AM	#22
jadakris31 jersey's here Join Date: May 2003 Location: nj Posts: 390 Photos: 1	would this be alright - chest - back tri's - shoulders bi's - legs would it be alright to do tri's the day after chest, and doing tri's then would it affect shoulders? or would this be better - chest - back - shoulders and tri's - legs and bi's
	somehow trying to get the abs but bulk at the same time.......

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