Best Overall symmetry??

**gopro** · 08-15-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
by strict definition of the word, you're correct.

But when it's used in this sense (a physique) it means more along the lines of: "beauty as a result of balance or harmonious arrangement."

That is more how I view the word "aesthetics" in bodybuilding. I still, personally, view symmetry as side to side development. Maybe its b/c I come from an art backround?

**Prince** · 08-15-2003, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by gopro
That is more how I view the word "aesthetics" in bodybuilding. I still, personally, view symmetry as side to side development. Maybe its b/c I come from an art backround?

Well, many words in the English language have more than one definition.

OceanDude · 08-15-2003, 10:07 AM

I am not at all familiar with Paris - anyone have a picture?

**Prince** · 08-15-2003, 10:09 AM

he was a bit light in the loafers.

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 11:00 AM

Bob Paris was all about balance, and he was gay FWIW.

**Prince** · 08-15-2003, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
he was a bit light in the loafers.

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 11:37 AM

I wasn't sure what that meant but the wink kind of clued me in, I was not sure

Oh I get it now, he walked with a pep in his step

Like this guy http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan

OceanDude · 08-15-2003, 11:47 AM

Ah thanks for the clarificaiton, I had surmised with reasonable certainty he meant the guy was a penny short of 2 cents and therefor "odd" in a queer sort of way.

oaktownboy · 08-15-2003, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I wasn't sure what that meant but the wink kind of clued me in, I was not sure

Oh I get it now, he walked with a pep in his step

Like this guy http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan
How did that guy attract over 4 million peeps to his site?must be "magic" and a little bit of ferry dust.

**Prince** · 08-15-2003, 11:57 AM

makes you wonder how Mudge knows of that site, huh?

OceanDude · 08-15-2003, 11:59 AM

Rodrugg · 08-15-2003, 12:05 PM

I would say Osh Kosh B'Gosh or Dickies.

OceanDude · 08-15-2003, 12:19 PM

Re-looking at Paris's picture. What is that diagonal muscle that we can see on the left inner leg face. That can’t be the sartorius muscle can it? It seems to rise way too high above the quads too early instead of flowing into the inner thigh/hip region. Maybe its just the pose that pulls it up like that. In either the case – he is not well defined.

**gopro** · 08-15-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by OceanDude
Re-looking at Paris's picture. What is that diagonal muscle that we can see on the left inner leg face. That can’t be the sartorius muscle can it? It seems to rise way too high above the quads too early instead of flowing into the inner thigh/hip region. Maybe its just the pose that pulls it up like that. In either the case – he is not well defined.

Trust me, when Bob was in shape he was nearly flawless. One of the best in the sport ever.

**gopro** · 08-15-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Rodrugg
I would say Osh Kosh B'Gosh or Dickies.

Reveal thyself thine idiot!

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 12:57 PM

The Peter Pan guy won some award in 2001 or something (Webbies) for I think weirdest website.

naturalguy · 08-15-2003, 01:24 PM

unfortunately it seems that most people equate symmetry with smaller bodybuilders. Lee Haney was symmetrical and massive.

Other notables already mentioned: Shawn Ray, Flex & Lee Labrada

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 01:26 PM

I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.

**gopro** · 08-15-2003, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.

Hey Mudge...you think there wasn't much difference between Haney, Gaspari, Strydom, etc, form late 60s guys

(I think you smokin some herb my man!)

OceanDude · 08-15-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.

Hey, every time you say stuff like that about 60's guys one falls over and dies...

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
Hey Mudge...you think there wasn't much difference between Haney, Gaspari, Strydom, etc, form late 60s guys

I think the much bigger difference is Dorian and beyond, I think Haney was more chest than anything else as far as being a freak. If you look at Arnold's competition weight vs most of the 80s guys it was I'd say 10-15 pounds difference, now you have guys like Ruhl at 5'10" competing at 284, HUGE difference.

**gopro** · 08-15-2003, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I think the much bigger difference is Dorian and beyond, I think Haney was more chest than anything else as far as being a freak. If you look at Arnold's competition weight vs most of the 80s guys it was I'd say 10-15 pounds difference, now you have guys like Ruhl at 5'10" competing at 284, HUGE difference.

Arnold was 6'2" and competed fairly ripped at 235 lbs. Haney was under 6' and competed at 245, much more shredded. Arnold would have gotten killed in mid to late eighties lineup. His legs were way under par in particular. And after Arnold, Sergio, and Lou, there were no heavywieghts to speak about.

Larry Scott would be laughed off the stage in his Olympia winning form if he competed against 1980s guys.

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 03:34 PM

Yep, I remember Arnolds stats fairly well

Larry had the arms but I dont remember his chest being too spectaculaaaaaaarrrrrrr.

**Prince** · 08-15-2003, 06:05 PM

I think that Arnold's upper body could stand up to 80's and 90's bb, but his legs were most definitely under par.

08-15-2003, 10:07 AM	#33
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	I am not at all familiar with Paris - anyone have a picture?
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08-15-2003, 10:09 AM	#34
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08-15-2003, 11:00 AM	#35
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08-15-2003, 11:47 AM	#38
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	Ah thanks for the clarificaiton, I had surmised with reasonable certainty he meant the guy was a penny short of 2 cents and therefor "odd" in a queer sort of way.
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08-15-2003, 11:57 AM	#40
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,721 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	makes you wonder how Mudge knows of that site, huh?
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08-15-2003, 11:37 AM	#37
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I wasn't sure what that meant but the wink kind of clued me in, I was not sure Oh I get it now, he walked with a pep in his step Like this guy http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan

08-15-2003, 11:59 AM	#41
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853
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08-15-2003, 12:05 PM	#42
Rodrugg Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 21 Photos: 1	I would say Osh Kosh B'Gosh or Dickies.

08-15-2003, 12:19 PM	#43
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	Re-looking at Paris's picture. What is that diagonal muscle that we can see on the left inner leg face. That can’t be the sartorius muscle can it? It seems to rise way too high above the quads too early instead of flowing into the inner thigh/hip region. Maybe its just the pose that pulls it up like that. In either the case – he is not well defined.
	"Doc, If I had known I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself..." Est unusquisque faber ipsae suae fortunae. We Americans scoff at the likes of African witch doctors yet spend 100's of millions of dollars on fake reducing systems. The only regular exercise he gets is stretching the truth. His intellect is not replenished, he is only an animal, only sensible in the duller parts...

08-15-2003, 12:57 PM	#46
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	The Peter Pan guy won some award in 2001 or something (Webbies) for I think weirdest website.
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08-15-2003, 01:24 PM	#47
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	unfortunately it seems that most people equate symmetry with smaller bodybuilders. Lee Haney was symmetrical and massive. Other notables already mentioned: Shawn Ray, Flex & Lee Labrada
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08-15-2003, 01:26 PM	#48
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-15-2003, 03:34 PM	#53
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Yep, I remember Arnolds stats fairly well Larry had the arms but I dont remember his chest being too spectaculaaaaaaarrrrrrr.
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08-15-2003, 06:05 PM	#54
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,721 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	I think that Arnold's upper body could stand up to 80's and 90's bb, but his legs were most definitely under par.
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08-15-2003, 06:09 PM	#55
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