man baps :(

HARVEEE · 08-14-2003, 11:17 AM

hi all, im a 39 yr old {ouch} welshman who has just started back lifting after a 15 year layoff[double ouch]. I have put on weight and am currently 100kg but think gym scales are reading low

I have just started the bloody atkins diet as i am a carb lover with a sweet tooth [doomed !!]
My question is what type of exercise should i concentrate on to flatten my chest. it is quite big, 50 inch but looks like i have a very nice pair of breasts growing.
It has started to flatten abit as im losing weight but i need to widen it as all the muscle seems concentrated in lower centre.
should i leave flat pressing alone and develop upper chest which is weak in order to lift my boobies or concentrate more on flys incline or flat ?
currently doing incline press 40kg sets and 120 kg flat presses along with low weight flys

**Prince** · 08-14-2003, 12:43 PM

Your chest will flatten as you get leaner with your diet, no exercise will help "flatten" you chest. In fact, if you start training it your chest will grow and look even bigger until the fat has been lost.

**Prince** · 08-14-2003, 12:44 PM

btw, rather than Atkins you should check out the Ketogenic diet >> http://www.ironmagazine.com/go/ketogenic

**Mudge** · 08-14-2003, 01:07 PM

Fat wont turn into muscle, so you simply have to get rid of that fat, which will take time.

OceanDude · 08-14-2003, 04:46 PM

There is a natural hierarchy to fat loss as to which fat appears to goes first. I was in a similar situation to you (but older – double ouch). I think you can normally expect to see the chest start to flatten significantly out at about week 8 and beyond. Normally men will see what appears to be a fairly rapid thinning in the face, arms and shoulder first. The good news is a lot of fluid is stored in the chest area too so on a low carb diet you will get a fairly fast reduction in body fluids all over – which will make the chest flatten out initially.

Be careful of atkins kinds of diets though or at least understand that “scale weight” losses are not entirely real losses. You should focus on fat loss which can only be detected accurately with a fat caliper rather than scale weight. The scale weight will bounce around quite a bit on atkins as you take in water and lose it back and forth. It can be disheartening. I prefer to go balanced diet (40/40/20 carb/protein/ essential fat). And run about a 500 calorie deficit over basic needs (about 2640 cals for your body weight). It’s slightly slower but you don’t get the wild scale weight fluctuations that will dishearten you as you will on the atkins program – plus you will have more energy reserves. Atkins will keep you in a constant 50% depletion of glycogen levels (fluids/sugar) which again, makes the scale weight drop appear fast and rapid but its an illusion. Just a friendly “heads up”.

HARVEEE · 08-15-2003, 01:49 AM

thank you all for your promp replies, what an excellent and friendly site this is, i shall take all of your advice and drop the atkins immediately, will go low carb for a while then switch to balanced diet as suggested by O.D. nice to see that there are people older than me here. i work out with a 24 year old 6 foot 6 18 stone guy and some times i hate him

got to loose this weight before April when i go back to florida for a holiday [got married in florida 4 yrs ago].still have dreams about american restuarants !!! u must all have excellent will power

.. the food is so bland in wales i should be a greek god !!!
but i have a tgi fridays and burger king 2 miles from house.. guess i will have to move up a mountain and eat sheep...not all welshmen f**K sheep.. unless there really really preety

regards and thanks to u all

**Mudge** · 08-15-2003, 02:30 AM

good luck with the, sheep and stuff

ArduousMeister · 08-15-2003, 08:43 AM

OceanDude · 08-15-2003, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HARVEEE
thank you all for your promp replies, what an excellent and friendly site this is, i shall take all of your advice and drop the atkins immediately, will go low carb for a while then switch to balanced diet as suggested by O.D. nice to see that there are people older than me here. i work out with a 24 year old 6 foot 6 18 stone guy and some times i hate him

got to loose this weight before April when i go back to florida for a holiday [got married in florida 4 yrs ago].still have dreams about american restuarants !!! u must all have excellent will power

.. the food is so bland in wales i should be a greek god !!!
but i have a tgi fridays and burger king 2 miles from house.. guess i will have to move up a mountain and eat sheep...not all welshmen f**K sheep.. unless there really really preety

regards and thanks to u all

I should have taken my opportunity to go visit wales when I was seriously dating a very nice English lady years ago. We ended up going to the Lake District instead since the weather was off. People are starting to wise up slowly about the restraunt food here. The big thing is it is convenient and at the hard pace most of us work etc. not many want to cook anymore. But with record obesity in this country (60%+ due to large portions, and ignorance about nutrition) people are slowly catching on that eating out can be like self administered poison (and costly) unless you know what to eat. This is the key to getting in shape - educating yourself about nutrition. But there are only a handful of rules you need to learn (portion size, meal frequency, type of carbs, good fats etc.). Good Luck to you.

08-14-2003, 11:17 AM	#1
HARVEEE Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: newport wales Posts: 2	man baps :( hi all, im a 39 yr old {ouch} welshman who has just started back lifting after a 15 year layoff[double ouch]. I have put on weight and am currently 100kg but think gym scales are reading low I have just started the bloody atkins diet as i am a carb lover with a sweet tooth [doomed !!] My question is what type of exercise should i concentrate on to flatten my chest. it is quite big, 50 inch but looks like i have a very nice pair of breasts growing. It has started to flatten abit as im losing weight but i need to widen it as all the muscle seems concentrated in lower centre. should i leave flat pressing alone and develop upper chest which is weak in order to lift my boobies or concentrate more on flys incline or flat ? currently doing incline press 40kg sets and 120 kg flat presses along with low weight flys
	harveee

08-14-2003, 12:43 PM	#2
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,753 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Your chest will flatten as you get leaner with your diet, no exercise will help "flatten" you chest. In fact, if you start training it your chest will grow and look even bigger until the fat has been lost.
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08-14-2003, 12:44 PM	#3
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,753 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	btw, rather than Atkins you should check out the Ketogenic diet >> http://www.ironmagazine.com/go/ketogenic
	SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips! HumaneVoLabs - Foaming Transdermal Delivery System.

08-14-2003, 01:07 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Fat wont turn into muscle, so you simply have to get rid of that fat, which will take time.
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08-14-2003, 04:46 PM	#5
OceanDude Well Read Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Posts: 1,853	There is a natural hierarchy to fat loss as to which fat appears to goes first. I was in a similar situation to you (but older – double ouch). I think you can normally expect to see the chest start to flatten significantly out at about week 8 and beyond. Normally men will see what appears to be a fairly rapid thinning in the face, arms and shoulder first. The good news is a lot of fluid is stored in the chest area too so on a low carb diet you will get a fairly fast reduction in body fluids all over – which will make the chest flatten out initially. Be careful of atkins kinds of diets though or at least understand that “scale weight” losses are not entirely real losses. You should focus on fat loss which can only be detected accurately with a fat caliper rather than scale weight. The scale weight will bounce around quite a bit on atkins as you take in water and lose it back and forth. It can be disheartening. I prefer to go balanced diet (40/40/20 carb/protein/ essential fat). And run about a 500 calorie deficit over basic needs (about 2640 cals for your body weight). It’s slightly slower but you don’t get the wild scale weight fluctuations that will dishearten you as you will on the atkins program – plus you will have more energy reserves. Atkins will keep you in a constant 50% depletion of glycogen levels (fluids/sugar) which again, makes the scale weight drop appear fast and rapid but its an illusion. Just a friendly “heads up”.
	"Doc, If I had known I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself..." Est unusquisque faber ipsae suae fortunae. We Americans scoff at the likes of African witch doctors yet spend 100's of millions of dollars on fake reducing systems. The only regular exercise he gets is stretching the truth. His intellect is not replenished, he is only an animal, only sensible in the duller parts...

08-15-2003, 01:49 AM	#6
HARVEEE Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: newport wales Posts: 2	thank you all for your promp replies, what an excellent and friendly site this is, i shall take all of your advice and drop the atkins immediately, will go low carb for a while then switch to balanced diet as suggested by O.D. nice to see that there are people older than me here. i work out with a 24 year old 6 foot 6 18 stone guy and some times i hate him got to loose this weight before April when i go back to florida for a holiday [got married in florida 4 yrs ago].still have dreams about american restuarants !!! u must all have excellent will power .. the food is so bland in wales i should be a greek god !!! but i have a tgi fridays and burger king 2 miles from house.. guess i will have to move up a mountain and eat sheep...not all welshmen f**K sheep.. unless there really really preety regards and thanks to u all
	harveee

08-15-2003, 02:30 AM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	good luck with the, sheep and stuff
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-15-2003, 08:43 AM	#8
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