thinking of cutting out cardio all together

Skib · 08-17-2003, 03:02 PM

i started a new meal plan about 2 weeks ago to help me lose some body fat and gain muscle... i'm not looking to bulk up or anything, i'd just like to lower my body fat and put on a little muscle... but i was wondering, what significance does cardio play for weight loss? lately i just haven't felt like doing any... i'd rather focus on weights and spend all my energy lifting rather than running/biking on the spot for 20 minutes... i've lost a ton of weight since i started this meal plan but i'm not sure if it's because of cardio or just eating properly... i'd love to be able to cut out cardio from my routine and just focus on weights but for some reason, for me, it makes sense to do cardio as your boosting your heart rate for that extra 20 minutes and isn't that how your body burns fat? obviously my heart rate is slightly increased during weight training but nothing like it is during cardio... so is cardio mandatory for more efficient weight loss? or would i be ok to cut it out?

**Jodi** · 08-17-2003, 03:12 PM

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what significance does cardio play for weight loss?

None if you are eating right

Rissole · 08-17-2003, 05:18 PM

Cardio??

What's that??

naturalguy · 08-17-2003, 06:45 PM

In order to lose bodyfat, you have to create a caloric deficit. You can either lower calories or burn calories through cardio OR the ideal is to do both. Cardio also alows you to eat more food therefore taking in more nutrients. There ain't a bodybuilder alive that hasn't done cardio to get ripped. If you are looking to lose bodyfat cardio is a very efficient way of doing so.

gr81 · 08-17-2003, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by naturalguy
There ain't a bodybuilder alive that hasn't done cardio to get ripped. If you are looking to lose bodyfat cardio is a very efficient way of doing so.

There are plenty of people that get to a low BF with no cardio, mastering your diet is a more efficient way to get lean and preserve muscle. Cardio is overrated and IMO people place to much emphasise on it, and is a way for people to get away with cheating on their diet.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 03:39 AM

I don't know if you have ever competed but in order to get to those bodyfat levels you need to do cardio along with diet.

gr81 · 08-18-2003, 03:55 AM

nothing rings true all the time, you can get to an amazingly low BF with a perfect manipulation of your diet and time. Cardio is not necessary, it is a good tool, but it is not absolutely necessary.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by gr81
nothing rings true all the time, you can get to an amazingly low BF with a perfect manipulation of your diet and time. Cardio is not necessary, it is a good tool, but it is not absolutely necessary.

There are many ways to do things but why wouldn't you take advantage of cardio?

For example: I live in NY, there are many ways to get to Florida, I can:

Walk

Ride a bike

Drive

take an airplane

Which way is more effecient? obviously taking the airplane is more effective and effecient, why would I want to do it any other way?

**Jodi** · 08-18-2003, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by naturalguy
Which way is more effecient? obviously taking the airplane is more effective and effecient, why would I want to do it any other way?

Not very effecient if your trying to maintain as much LBM as possible.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 05:40 AM

When you are eating and training properly you do not risk losing muscle. Bodybuilders have been doing this for years. It is time tested and proved.

Why the fear of cardio?

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Jodi
Not very effecient if your trying to maintain as much LBM as possible.

Jodi, I mean no offense here, just trying to offer some help, I was looking at your journal and looked at your last food entry, you are eating 943 calories and only 22 grms. carbs. Maybe that was just one day but that is much more catabolic than doing cardio.

**Jodi** · 08-18-2003, 05:48 AM

Actually you have that all wrong. This is what I eat. Look again, this is far from catabolic

Day 1 - 1000 Cals
Day 2 - 1500 Cals
Day 3 - 1000 Cals
Day 4 - 2200 Cals

Repeat and this is with no cardio

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 06:03 AM

Just an experienced guy's opinion, your cals and carbs are way too low. I understand the idea of varying your calorie intake and I understand the carb up days. You would be better off eating some more and adding in cardio.

**Jodi** · 08-18-2003, 06:16 AM

I fully trust TP and I think he knows what he's doing.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 07:04 AM

Good luck in your competition, you will find it a great learning experience and you will know at the end of this journey if it worked.

Twin Peak · 08-18-2003, 09:53 AM

So far, since she has started this meal plan, Jodi has increased her strength, whiel concomittantly decreased her weight, bodyfat, and measurements.

Yep, she is catabolic ain't she.

Aren't you the guy who believes localized fat mobilization impossible, whilest refusing to read the science, or having the inability to understand it, and in light of thousands of reports to the contrary.

As Gr81 said, cardio is a tool. A highly overrated, over utilized tool. But a tool nonetheless. Most of the bodybuilders of which you speak also use cytomel, clenbuterol, and a variety of AAS and GH to get ripped. Its certainly fast, earier and more efficient. Does it make it a better road traveled?

Moreover, BTW, your argument in a vacuum is assinine, as not all cardio is created equal.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 12:34 PM

Yes, I am the guy who knows that spot reduction is not possible and who knows that your "science" is just marketing hype.

Not utilizing cardio when you want to get to low bodyfat levels is foolish. I know, all she has to do is rub on some cream. Furthermore I can she how the low carb days are doing as in Jodi's journal she states more than once that she feels like shit. No wonder.

After cruising this board for a couple of weeks I have come to a couple of conclucsions:

1. I feel like I went in a time machine back 15 years where people still belive in spot reduction.

2. This board is used as a nice marketing vehicle to push certain products.

The bodybuilders that I am talking about, myself included, are quite clean.

**Jodi** · 08-18-2003, 12:41 PM

Here is something I don't understand about people saying that you can eat more if you do cardio. Typically you burn (on average) 1000 cals a week with 3 cardio sessions. Well when you break that down thats only 142 cals a day more that you can eat based on 7 days. So 142 cals thats only 35G or P or C extra a day.

BFD - For 142 cals extra food a day I'd rather do no cardio and skip the extra 35G that I can eat and spare myself the 30 mins of torture until I absolutely have to do it or until TP says so!

Disclaimer: If your concerned about cardiovasular health than I think cardio is needed but at this point, its not my concern.

Also, for the record in the 3 weeks I've been working with TP, yesterday and today are the only days I didn't feel good and its not due to my food, its call a Head Cold that my family has been passing around and it finally hit me.

As a matter of fact, I've never had more energy day to day and more strength in the gym as I've had in the past 3 weeks.

Twin Peak · 08-18-2003, 12:46 PM

Jodi, obvioulsy the carb cycling diet has given you and your whole family a head cold. I feel so ashamed.

Naturalguy has now for the second time shown his lack of aptitude for reading comprehension. He claims to have read your journal and he knows why you are always feeling like shit.

NG, I suggest you get back in your time machine, go ahead another 15 years, and perhaps you'll understand a bit more.

So what am doing now, peddling the no cardio supplement?

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
Here is something I don't understand about people saying that you can eat more if you do cardio. Typically you burn (on average) 1000 cals a week with 3 cardio sessions. Well when you break that down thats only 142 cals a day more that you can eat based on 7 days. So 142 cals thats only 35G or P or C extra a day.

BFD - For 142 cals extra food a day I'd rather do no cardio and skip the extra 35G that I can eat and spare myself the 30 mins of torture until I absolutely have to do it or until TP says so!

Disclaimer: If your concerned about cardiovasular health than I think cardio is needed but at this point, its not my concern.

Also, for the record in the 3 weeks I've been working with TP, yesterday and today are the only days I didn't feel good and its not due to my food, its call a Head Cold that my family has been passing around and it finally hit me.

As a matter of fact, I've never had more energy day to day and more strength in the gym as I've had in the past 3 weeks.

Jodi it is not the calories that you burn during cardio that you should be concerned with, when done correctly cardio can raise your metabolism allowing you to burn more calories throught the day.

Twin Peak · 08-18-2003, 12:51 PM

Only HIIT does that, which you have previously failed to mention.

Interesting how you avoid all of her other points.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 12:55 PM

TP, I am not looking to argue with you, in fact I didn't like that I had to write that last post but I felt provoked.

AND I didn't get into the types of cardio but I myself have gotten great results with MaxOT cardio (it's a version of HIIT from AST).

You seem like you have a bone to pick with me because I don't believe as you dol.

Twin Peak · 08-18-2003, 01:04 PM

I have no bone to pick.

You talk in absolutes, as if you know what your are talking about. Not only are there no absolutes, but in many things you say you are dead wrong.

You also have a habit of mischaracterizing what is said, and ignoring things to which you have no response.

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 01:09 PM

I am just trying to help some people here. I don't claim to know it all but I have alot of experience and have been at this game for a long time.

Twin Peak · 08-18-2003, 01:29 PM

Help? You are making observations about Jodi, who has embarked on her first competition. You told her she is feeling shitty because her diet is poor. You implied that she will not be in shape because of her lack of cardio.

You did this while skimming her journal and misunderstanding what she wrote. You did this despite the fact the her journal states that since adopting this diet she has had some of the best workouts ever. You did this despiet the fcat the her strength is increasing while she is loseing bodyfat.

You did this despite the fact that she is getting advice from someone relatively experienced himself.

You call that help?

naturalguy · 08-18-2003, 01:41 PM

You don't think her diet contributed to her immune system being weak and picking up that cold? I have tried the low/no carb diet and I felt like shit too and you can't train as hard as you can on that type of program. You may think you can but you are not.

The difference between you and I is that I am not making a profit from this.

**Jodi** · 08-18-2003, 01:43 PM

TP is helping me FREE of charge. And its not a low carb diet either but I'll let him explain that.

Oh and I naturally have a weak immune system. I've been like this my whole life and considering this has been passed around my famil

08-17-2003, 03:02 PM	#1
Skib Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 412	thinking of cutting out cardio all together i started a new meal plan about 2 weeks ago to help me lose some body fat and gain muscle... i'm not looking to bulk up or anything, i'd just like to lower my body fat and put on a little muscle... but i was wondering, what significance does cardio play for weight loss? lately i just haven't felt like doing any... i'd rather focus on weights and spend all my energy lifting rather than running/biking on the spot for 20 minutes... i've lost a ton of weight since i started this meal plan but i'm not sure if it's because of cardio or just eating properly... i'd love to be able to cut out cardio from my routine and just focus on weights but for some reason, for me, it makes sense to do cardio as your boosting your heart rate for that extra 20 minutes and isn't that how your body burns fat? obviously my heart rate is slightly increased during weight training but nothing like it is during cardio... so is cardio mandatory for more efficient weight loss? or would i be ok to cut it out?

08-17-2003, 05:18 PM	#3
Rissole 2 Samuel 24:24 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "OZTRAILYA" :D Posts: 8,286 Photos: 36	Cardio?? What's that??
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08-17-2003, 06:45 PM	#4
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	In order to lose bodyfat, you have to create a caloric deficit. You can either lower calories or burn calories through cardio OR the ideal is to do both. Cardio also alows you to eat more food therefore taking in more nutrients. There ain't a bodybuilder alive that hasn't done cardio to get ripped. If you are looking to lose bodyfat cardio is a very efficient way of doing so.
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08-18-2003, 03:39 AM	#6
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	I don't know if you have ever competed but in order to get to those bodyfat levels you need to do cardio along with diet.
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08-18-2003, 03:55 AM	#7
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	nothing rings true all the time, you can get to an amazingly low BF with a perfect manipulation of your diet and time. Cardio is not necessary, it is a good tool, but it is not absolutely necessary.
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08-18-2003, 05:40 AM	#10
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	When you are eating and training properly you do not risk losing muscle. Bodybuilders have been doing this for years. It is time tested and proved. Why the fear of cardio?
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08-18-2003, 05:48 AM	#12
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,239 Photos: 1	Actually you have that all wrong. This is what I eat. Look again, this is far from catabolic Day 1 - 1000 Cals Day 2 - 1500 Cals Day 3 - 1000 Cals Day 4 - 2200 Cals Repeat and this is with no cardio
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08-18-2003, 06:03 AM	#13
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	Just an experienced guy's opinion, your cals and carbs are way too low. I understand the idea of varying your calorie intake and I understand the carb up days. You would be better off eating some more and adding in cardio.
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08-18-2003, 06:16 AM	#14
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,239 Photos: 1	I fully trust TP and I think he knows what he's doing.
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08-18-2003, 07:04 AM	#15
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	Good luck in your competition, you will find it a great learning experience and you will know at the end of this journey if it worked.
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08-18-2003, 09:53 AM	#16
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	So far, since she has started this meal plan, Jodi has increased her strength, whiel concomittantly decreased her weight, bodyfat, and measurements. Yep, she is catabolic ain't she. Aren't you the guy who believes localized fat mobilization impossible, whilest refusing to read the science, or having the inability to understand it, and in light of thousands of reports to the contrary. As Gr81 said, cardio is a tool. A highly overrated, over utilized tool. But a tool nonetheless. Most of the bodybuilders of which you speak also use cytomel, clenbuterol, and a variety of AAS and GH to get ripped. Its certainly fast, earier and more efficient. Does it make it a better road traveled? Moreover, BTW, your argument in a vacuum is assinine, as not all cardio is created equal.
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08-18-2003, 12:34 PM	#17
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	Yes, I am the guy who knows that spot reduction is not possible and who knows that your "science" is just marketing hype. Not utilizing cardio when you want to get to low bodyfat levels is foolish. I know, all she has to do is rub on some cream. Furthermore I can she how the low carb days are doing as in Jodi's journal she states more than once that she feels like shit. No wonder. After cruising this board for a couple of weeks I have come to a couple of conclucsions: 1. I feel like I went in a time machine back 15 years where people still belive in spot reduction. 2. This board is used as a nice marketing vehicle to push certain products. The bodybuilders that I am talking about, myself included, are quite clean.
	www.animalpak.com www.universalnutrition.com

08-18-2003, 12:41 PM	#18
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,239 Photos: 1	Here is something I don't understand about people saying that you can eat more if you do cardio. Typically you burn (on average) 1000 cals a week with 3 cardio sessions. Well when you break that down thats only 142 cals a day more that you can eat based on 7 days. So 142 cals thats only 35G or P or C extra a day. BFD - For 142 cals extra food a day I'd rather do no cardio and skip the extra 35G that I can eat and spare myself the 30 mins of torture until I absolutely have to do it or until TP says so! Disclaimer: If your concerned about cardiovasular health than I think cardio is needed but at this point, its not my concern. Also, for the record in the 3 weeks I've been working with TP, yesterday and today are the only days I didn't feel good and its not due to my food, its call a Head Cold that my family has been passing around and it finally hit me. As a matter of fact, I've never had more energy day to day and more strength in the gym as I've had in the past 3 weeks.
	Essence EFA

08-18-2003, 12:46 PM	#19
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Jodi, obvioulsy the carb cycling diet has given you and your whole family a head cold. I feel so ashamed. Naturalguy has now for the second time shown his lack of aptitude for reading comprehension. He claims to have read your journal and he knows why you are always feeling like shit. NG, I suggest you get back in your time machine, go ahead another 15 years, and perhaps you'll understand a bit more. So what am doing now, peddling the no cardio supplement?
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08-18-2003, 12:51 PM	#21
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Only HIIT does that, which you have previously failed to mention. Interesting how you avoid all of her other points.
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08-18-2003, 12:55 PM	#22
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	TP, I am not looking to argue with you, in fact I didn't like that I had to write that last post but I felt provoked. AND I didn't get into the types of cardio but I myself have gotten great results with MaxOT cardio (it's a version of HIIT from AST). You seem like you have a bone to pick with me because I don't believe as you dol.
	www.animalpak.com www.universalnutrition.com

08-18-2003, 01:04 PM	#23
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I have no bone to pick. You talk in absolutes, as if you know what your are talking about. Not only are there no absolutes, but in many things you say you are dead wrong. You also have a habit of mischaracterizing what is said, and ignoring things to which you have no response.
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08-18-2003, 01:09 PM	#24
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	I am just trying to help some people here. I don't claim to know it all but I have alot of experience and have been at this game for a long time.
	www.animalpak.com www.universalnutrition.com

08-18-2003, 01:29 PM	#25
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Help? You are making observations about Jodi, who has embarked on her first competition. You told her she is feeling shitty because her diet is poor. You implied that she will not be in shape because of her lack of cardio. You did this while skimming her journal and misunderstanding what she wrote. You did this despite the fact the her journal states that since adopting this diet she has had some of the best workouts ever. You did this despiet the fcat the her strength is increasing while she is loseing bodyfat. You did this despite the fact that she is getting advice from someone relatively experienced himself. You call that help?
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08-18-2003, 01:41 PM	#26
naturalguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 489	You don't think her diet contributed to her immune system being weak and picking up that cold? I have tried the low/no carb diet and I felt like shit too and you can't train as hard as you can on that type of program. You may think you can but you are not. The difference between you and I is that I am not making a profit from this.
	www.animalpak.com www.universalnutrition.com

08-18-2003, 01:43 PM	#27
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,239 Photos: 1	TP is helping me FREE of charge. And its not a low carb diet either but I'll let him explain that. Oh and I naturally have a weak immune system. I've been like this my whole life and considering this has been passed around my famil