Minor Sleep Problem

cjrmack · 08-27-2003, 03:59 PM

Hi all. I have been working out for just about two months now and for about a little over a month I have had this problem with sleeping through the night. Normally I sleep 7 to 7 1/2 hours and I almost always slept through the night but since shorty after I started working out I seem to wake up at 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. and then kind of drift in and out of sleep from that point on. I am sleeping, just not real soundly. I have heard that a good nights sleep is very important as far as building muscle and this pattern i have developed is a little disturbing. I do not feel any different energy wise during the day, in fact since I have been working out I feel I have more energy. Is this something I should worry about? Has anyone else ever experienced this kind of problem? Just wondering because it seems like since I am working out 5 days a week now I should be sleeping more soundly than before.

**Prince** · 08-27-2003, 04:04 PM

you may be in a state of overtraining.

Jim1954 · 08-27-2003, 04:05 PM

cjrmack,

I think insomnia can be caused by overtraining, I've had it happen to me.

Jim1954 · 08-27-2003, 04:06 PM

Prince,

You beat me to it.

**Mudge** · 08-27-2003, 04:08 PM

I really like to take a warm shower before I hit the sack, to relax my muscles a bit. I lately am also taking an over the counter sleeping pill about 1 hour before I go to sleep, because I have had pretty much life long sleep issues (probably poor melatonin output).

derekisdman · 08-27-2003, 04:48 PM

For some reason it takes me a while (20 minutes or so) to actually fall asleep at first. When i'm asleep though, i'm dead asleep. The only thing I notice is that from drinking so much water I get up maybe 2 times during the night for bathroom purposes but then fall back asleep directly after I hit the pillow.

cjrmack · 08-27-2003, 04:55 PM

Thanks for the replies. Over-training is a big possibility. Actually I was doing 6 days a week and have cut it back to 5. Guess I may be going a little gung-ho but I am very happy with the progress I have made in 8 weeks. I have read a lot in these forums about overtraining and i do not want to have all my hard work go down the drain so I will take it back a few notches. Really interesting how overtraining can cause insomnia. My first thought was the more you train, the more tired you will be, so you will sleep better. Thanks for your help.

Jim1954 · 08-27-2003, 06:37 PM

cjrmack,

I'm not sure if this has anybody else from over training, but I went through spells where my libido was non-existent.

**Mudge** · 08-27-2003, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by derekisdman
For some reason it takes me a while (20 minutes or so) to actually fall asleep at first.

It takes me 45-60 minutes, so dont feel bad! I was never the type to hit the pillow and be out in 5 minutes

I am also a light sleeper, and no I was never in prison or subject to any millitary blanked parties

I have a very hard time to stop thinking, I basically "cant."

derekisdman · 08-27-2003, 07:29 PM

Yeah thinking is a problem. Not to mention the more you think about sleeping or stress about not falling asleep the harder it is.

Skib · 08-27-2003, 08:17 PM

that sucks i've been sleeping WONDERFUL lately

been having some weird dreams though!

**Mudge** · 08-28-2003, 03:16 AM

Regularity helps too, supposedly the most important thing is waking up at the same time daily. I will say that for some reason over the last couple months I have been waking up on the weekends at pretty much the identical time as the weekdays, meaning I dont have the ability to sleep in anymore, so staying up late on the weekends only makes things worse.

Naps longer than 1 hour also screw up my night sleep.

cjrmack · 08-28-2003, 10:37 AM

I cannot nap at all. If I even take a short nap I will be awake half the night. I might sleep in about 1/2 hour later on weekends but that is it.

**Mudge** · 08-28-2003, 11:25 AM

Since it takes me usually 45-60 to fall asleep, a nap for me ~60 minutes is not much of a nap at all

oddly though, or not, when I come home sometimes I could fall asleep in 30-45 minutes, depending.

But I definitely agree, have to be very carefull with the naps. BTW, I read a book on serotinin recently and it mentions that serotonin output itself is responsible for proper melatonin production, and I know I have serotonin issues although I am thankfully nowhere near bi-polar.

1xDeatHsHeaDx3 · 08-29-2003, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by derekisdman
For some reason it takes me a while (20 minutes or so) to actually fall asleep at first. When i'm asleep though, i'm dead asleep. The only thing I notice is that from drinking so much water I get up maybe 2 times during the night for bathroom purposes but then fall back asleep directly after I hit the pillow.

Lucky you, it sometimes takes me hours, but last night I went out decently quick. Unfortunately I woke up maybe 6 hours after I had fallen asleep...

gr81 · 08-29-2003, 11:26 PM

I have plenty of trouble getting to sleep many nights as well man, it sucks. I will be exhausted at like 8-9 and not fall asleep until like 2-3 at least. What time are you training at? I find for me the earlier in the day i am able to get in and train, the easier time I have getting to sleep at a reasonable time.

1xDeatHsHeaDx3 · 08-30-2003, 12:14 AM

I prefer to train early morning.

1) Gym has less people in it so I don't have to wait for equipment

2) I really like the night, and I think a lot better while walking to the gym at night.

My sleep patterns aren't really normal, I stay up late a lot, I've been away from the gym for a long time, as you can see my posts died off, member as of June 2002, I took a few 2 week trips out of town, that kinda messed me up when I got back, and then my dear brother Mudge changed gyms, so I have no partner, which is a really big motivational reason to go, so that you don't let the other person down. But now I am getting back into it, and I'm gonna try to sleep more regularly, and slowly get into eating better, it felt good to be back at the gym this morning.

Left my house around 4:30, 20 minute walk or so to the gym, 'bout 40 minutes for the work out, 'nother 20 minute walk back, got back at 5:48 took a shower, slept, much enjoyed.

**Mudge** · 08-30-2003, 01:13 AM

Jon, do you mean night by early morning or what

I really liked that place around 6AM or so, it was fine at that time. Ok, way early AM, gotcha.

kdwa1 · 08-30-2003, 06:11 AM

Interesting thread guys.Hey Mudge,if you can't fall asleep try counting breaths backwards from 100,I usually pass out before I get to 85.If you start to think ,turn it off and count if that doesn't work count from 1,000 that'll put you out buddy.And if that don't work ,jump the babe.
Personally I can't lift s--t in the morning,I crash at 2:00 am rise at 10 and hit the club at 2-3..Takes at least 3 hours to the bod going.But that's just me.
I suppose early morn is good for beating others to the bench though.Christ,I had a guy on the incline for 45 minutes yesterday,what a dead beat hangin out on the phone.I finally asked him if he was going to train or rap.It's like no one else existed.I think they should post some etiquette in the locker room.But this is Taiwan so???

Mex · 09-01-2003, 01:54 PM

I vote overtraining too. In fact I trained too hard last week and haven't been able to sleep since saturday. It's bad.

08-27-2003, 03:59 PM	#1
cjrmack Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Palm Desert, CA Posts: 247	Minor Sleep Problem Hi all. I have been working out for just about two months now and for about a little over a month I have had this problem with sleeping through the night. Normally I sleep 7 to 7 1/2 hours and I almost always slept through the night but since shorty after I started working out I seem to wake up at 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. and then kind of drift in and out of sleep from that point on. I am sleeping, just not real soundly. I have heard that a good nights sleep is very important as far as building muscle and this pattern i have developed is a little disturbing. I do not feel any different energy wise during the day, in fact since I have been working out I feel I have more energy. Is this something I should worry about? Has anyone else ever experienced this kind of problem? Just wondering because it seems like since I am working out 5 days a week now I should be sleeping more soundly than before.

08-27-2003, 04:04 PM	#2
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08-27-2003, 04:05 PM	#3
Jim1954 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 149 Photos: 3	cjrmack, I think insomnia can be caused by overtraining, I've had it happen to me.
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08-27-2003, 04:06 PM	#4
Jim1954 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 149 Photos: 3	Prince, You beat me to it.
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08-27-2003, 04:48 PM	#6
derekisdman RAWR! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,294	For some reason it takes me a while (20 minutes or so) to actually fall asleep at first. When i'm asleep though, i'm dead asleep. The only thing I notice is that from drinking so much water I get up maybe 2 times during the night for bathroom purposes but then fall back asleep directly after I hit the pillow.
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08-27-2003, 04:08 PM	#5
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I really like to take a warm shower before I hit the sack, to relax my muscles a bit. I lately am also taking an over the counter sleeping pill about 1 hour before I go to sleep, because I have had pretty much life long sleep issues (probably poor melatonin output).

08-27-2003, 04:55 PM	#7
cjrmack Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Palm Desert, CA Posts: 247	Thanks for the replies. Over-training is a big possibility. Actually I was doing 6 days a week and have cut it back to 5. Guess I may be going a little gung-ho but I am very happy with the progress I have made in 8 weeks. I have read a lot in these forums about overtraining and i do not want to have all my hard work go down the drain so I will take it back a few notches. Really interesting how overtraining can cause insomnia. My first thought was the more you train, the more tired you will be, so you will sleep better. Thanks for your help.

08-27-2003, 06:37 PM	#8
Jim1954 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 149 Photos: 3	cjrmack, I'm not sure if this has anybody else from over training, but I went through spells where my libido was non-existent.
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08-27-2003, 07:29 PM	#10
derekisdman RAWR! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,294	Yeah thinking is a problem. Not to mention the more you think about sleeping or stress about not falling asleep the harder it is.
	Homer: Hey! I saved your life! That egg sandwich could have killed you by cholesterol. Lenny: Pfft, forget it, Homer. While it has been established that eggs contain cholesterol, it has not yet been proven conclusively that they actually raise the level of serum cholesterol in the human blood stream.

08-27-2003, 08:17 PM	#11
Skib Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 533	that sucks i've been sleeping WONDERFUL lately been having some weird dreams though!

08-28-2003, 03:16 AM	#12
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Regularity helps too, supposedly the most important thing is waking up at the same time daily. I will say that for some reason over the last couple months I have been waking up on the weekends at pretty much the identical time as the weekdays, meaning I dont have the ability to sleep in anymore, so staying up late on the weekends only makes things worse. Naps longer than 1 hour also screw up my night sleep.

08-28-2003, 10:37 AM	#13
cjrmack Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Palm Desert, CA Posts: 247	I cannot nap at all. If I even take a short nap I will be awake half the night. I might sleep in about 1/2 hour later on weekends but that is it.

08-28-2003, 11:25 AM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Since it takes me usually 45-60 to fall asleep, a nap for me ~60 minutes is not much of a nap at all oddly though, or not, when I come home sometimes I could fall asleep in 30-45 minutes, depending. But I definitely agree, have to be very carefull with the naps. BTW, I read a book on serotinin recently and it mentions that serotonin output itself is responsible for proper melatonin production, and I know I have serotonin issues although I am thankfully nowhere near bi-polar.

08-29-2003, 11:26 PM	#16
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	I have plenty of trouble getting to sleep many nights as well man, it sucks. I will be exhausted at like 8-9 and not fall asleep until like 2-3 at least. What time are you training at? I find for me the earlier in the day i am able to get in and train, the easier time I have getting to sleep at a reasonable time.
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08-30-2003, 12:14 AM	#17
1xDeatHsHeaDx3 Misfit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South San Francisco, California Posts: 67	I prefer to train early morning. 1) Gym has less people in it so I don't have to wait for equipment 2) I really like the night, and I think a lot better while walking to the gym at night. My sleep patterns aren't really normal, I stay up late a lot, I've been away from the gym for a long time, as you can see my posts died off, member as of June 2002, I took a few 2 week trips out of town, that kinda messed me up when I got back, and then my dear brother Mudge changed gyms, so I have no partner, which is a really big motivational reason to go, so that you don't let the other person down. But now I am getting back into it, and I'm gonna try to sleep more regularly, and slowly get into eating better, it felt good to be back at the gym this morning. Left my house around 4:30, 20 minute walk or so to the gym, 'bout 40 minutes for the work out, 'nother 20 minute walk back, got back at 5:48 took a shower, slept, much enjoyed.
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08-30-2003, 01:13 AM	#18
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Jon, do you mean night by early morning or what I really liked that place around 6AM or so, it was fine at that time. Ok, way early AM, gotcha.

08-30-2003, 06:11 AM	#19
kdwa1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Asia Posts: 303	Interesting thread guys.Hey Mudge,if you can't fall asleep try counting breaths backwards from 100,I usually pass out before I get to 85.If you start to think ,turn it off and count if that doesn't work count from 1,000 that'll put you out buddy.And if that don't work ,jump the babe. Personally I can't lift s--t in the morning,I crash at 2:00 am rise at 10 and hit the club at 2-3..Takes at least 3 hours to the bod going.But that's just me. I suppose early morn is good for beating others to the bench though.Christ,I had a guy on the incline for 45 minutes yesterday,what a dead beat hangin out on the phone.I finally asked him if he was going to train or rap.It's like no one else existed.I think they should post some etiquette in the locker room.But this is Taiwan so???
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09-01-2003, 01:54 PM	#20
Mex Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Take a wild guess, compadre Posts: 122	I vote overtraining too. In fact I trained too hard last week and haven't been able to sleep since saturday. It's bad.

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