Natural Bodybuilders

**cjrmack** · 10-13-2003, 11:13 AM

I am curious, how many people on this board are "Natural Bodybuilders".

**P-funk** · 10-13-2003, 11:20 AM

I am

**prophet** · 10-13-2003, 11:20 AM

no supplements.. YET

**icekool** · 10-13-2003, 12:21 PM

Whey concentrate & Isolate, Creatine, L-Glute' , MegaVitamins & Minerals and as good a diet as possible, drink maybe once or twice per year and would never do roids due to potential liver/kidney strain & the other bad side effects.......thats me

**gopro** · 10-13-2003, 12:46 PM

A distinction can be made between natural and OTC (over the counter) bodybuilders. I would consider a natural bodybuilder one that uses nothing more than food, and maybe protein powders/vitamins. I consider an OTC bodybuilder one that used only supplements that are legal for sale in any health food store. Most people that call themselves "naturals," are really OTC's.

**Prince** · 10-13-2003, 12:51 PM

I agree, and I voted "Use other supplements, but not steroids", I assumed that includes supps like 1-AD, 4-AD, 1-Test, etc.

**brian** · 10-13-2003, 01:54 PM

If you will classify 1-AD, etc as OTC surely I hope you will not classify Creatine as OTC then... I think there should be a distinction.

I consider myself natural ... only protein powders although I am considering Creatine.

**Prince** · 10-13-2003, 01:55 PM

Why wouldn't we classify 1-AD as OTC?

It is Over The Counter.

**Tha Don** · 10-13-2003, 02:34 PM

I feel natural bodybuilders are BB who use whey, multivits, maybe a bit of creatine... glutamine... etc, products that occur naturally that they would get from food sources if possible but seeing they can afford it and don't have the time to just cook meals all day they supplement certain nutrition needs

I think someone who uses anabolic stuff and 1-ad, test... etc is un-natural

I'd go for the "NatuOnly use vitamins and protein powders as supplements" but i feel they are allowed to use some other supplements as well like creatine, cla, efa's, maltodextrin etc

i'm sure you get where i'm coming from

peace

**Prince** · 10-13-2003, 02:56 PM

well, that is the problem though, it's completely subjective. One could also argue that a bb that uses Creatine is unnatural.

**JerseyDevil** · 10-13-2003, 06:59 PM

I would have to say that using 1-AD or 1-test would fall squarely in between natural and un-natural. After all, legal or not, they ARE steriods, so it would be hard to call a user 100% natural. On the other hand, if a bodybuilder is pegged an not natural it is generally assumed they are hard core juicers.

**gopro** · 10-13-2003, 08:03 PM

Interestingly, a bodybuilder on a cycle of 1-AD or 1-Test would more than likely NOT flag a drug test for steroids, but a guy on pharmaceutical "gear" would.

**maniclion** · 10-13-2003, 08:11 PM

If ya wanna get serious, a pure natural bodybuilder would eat free-range meat, organic foods, take no supps at all, drink water from a mountain spring with no chemical pollutants nearby, he/she would lift stones and deadlift logs(no manufactured weights) etc.etc.

Oh and he/she wouldn't be able to breath our air due to all the pollutants.

**maniclion** · 10-13-2003, 08:19 PM

On the other hand we are a naturally occuring animal on Earth and anything we make would thus be naturally occuring, just as we consider a bee hive, honey or ant hill natural. Therefore what we create is ultimately natural. Everything we make contains something from our planet. We don't import odd ball stuff from Pluto do we, no it all comes from Earth. Even if we did isn't our entire universe natural too?

**gopro** · 10-13-2003, 08:34 PM

Lets not get too nuts now, LOL!

**Mudge** · 10-13-2003, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by maniclion
On the other hand we are a naturally occuring animal on Earth and anything we make would thus be naturally occuring

Beings pushing existing objects around into shapes compared to humans that extract and create from scratch are totally different. Ants reshape dirt into that hill, where we make anew what did not exist before, or in more often cases find ways to extract or reproduce things in un-natural amounts for consumption.

So we could call a burrito all natural perhaps because it comes from nature and we just put ingredients together, but creatine and 1-AD is hardly something we pulled off a tree and bottled.

**ponyboy** · 10-14-2003, 09:55 AM

I know that at my last "natural" competition I knew there were people on stage who had used PH's and who had used AAS. Having used PH's myself it would be very hypocritical of me to condemn those people, however those who talked about AAS use really pissed me off.

One guy in the lineup right before we went on stage was talking about how he had come off of Winstrol 3 wks. ago and was taking thermos, etc. up until 3 days before the show.

Unfortunately if you want to compete it is a fact that you HAVE to use these substances (PH or AAS) to even look respectable on stage next to everyone that is using them. Hence the reason I am very hesitant about ever competing again because I really don't want to do that to my body. Doing endurance sports like triathlon relies almost totally on your training and your nutrition...not performance or physique enhancers.

**Twin Peak** · 10-14-2003, 10:20 AM

This just proves how stupid the term "natural" is in todays environment.

**derekisdman** · 10-14-2003, 11:52 AM

And what do you consider natural twin peak?

**Twin Peak** · 10-14-2003, 12:06 PM

I won't use the term, as I believe it is a silly and inappropriate term.

Is hormonally enhanced meat natural?

Is pharmaceutically separated protein?

How about creatine?

Inactive hormones that the body converts to active ones?

Active but legal steroids?

Illegal steroids?

Its just a silly term.

**ponyboy** · 10-14-2003, 12:33 PM

I agree...there really is no such thing as a "natural" bodybuilder, person, athlete or whatever anymore. The amount of chemicals and crap we ingest on a daily basis, even in the water we drink is staggering. Then we make more chemicals to try to help us live longer because we are dying of cancers and diseases created by these chemicals in the first place.

**gopro** · 10-14-2003, 12:46 PM

Thats it!!!!!!!!! I am starting a brand new bodybuilding association called WOTCBA or World Over the Counter Bodybuilding Association. Anything you can purchase in GNC or Vitamin Shoppe is legal for use. If a supplement is taken off the shelves, it is then banned for competition. Watch out Joe Weider!

**derekisdman** · 10-14-2003, 04:28 PM

So technically if no one is natural, what shall those who don't use steroids be considered?

**nikegurl** · 10-14-2003, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by derekisdman
So technically if no one is natural, what shall those who don't use steroids be considered?

ineligible for criminal prosecution?

**Twin Peak** · 10-14-2003, 06:25 PM

Anabolically Challenged?

**gopro** · 10-15-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by derekisdman
So technically if no one is natural, what shall those who don't use steroids be considered?

OTC!!!

**derekisdman** · 10-15-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by gopro
OTC!!!

Whats that stand for?

**nikegurl** · 10-15-2003, 11:25 AM

over the counter

**ZECH** · 10-15-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by ponyboy
I agree...there really is no such thing as a "natural" bodybuilder, person, athlete or whatever anymore. The amount of chemicals and crap we ingest on a daily basis, even in the water we drink is staggering. Then we make more chemicals to try to help us live longer because we are dying of cancers and diseases created by these chemicals in the first place.

BINGO!

**Prince** · 10-15-2003, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by derekisdman
So technically if no one is natural, what shall those who don't use steroids be considered?

how about no where near as big as those that do use steroids!

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