Training for strength instead of mass?

**Monolith** · 10-17-2003, 01:27 PM

Since i started lifting, most of my knoweldge about training routines has come from sites like this - geared towards bodybuilders. Initially i thought thats what i wanted to do - gain mass. But im finding im not as "enthused" about building mass as i am about building strength, now.

Is there a big difference between strength and mass routines? Can someone toss me a couple links to any good sources of strength-oriented training info?

**heeholler** · 10-17-2003, 01:38 PM

Here is a strength site link here. I will post more sites later.
Strength Training

**Triple Threat** · 10-17-2003, 01:39 PM

http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/index.htm

**Monolith** · 10-17-2003, 04:42 PM

Thanks. So i take it there is a considerable difference in routines between a guy looking for strength and one looking for mass?

Also, will muscle look less... err... for lack of a better word, "impressive" on someone who uses a strength routine? I mean, strong powerlifter style guys all have like 50% bodyfat and massive guts. :/

**BabsieGirl** · 10-17-2003, 04:43 PM

I would use Bands and weights

**Mudge** · 10-17-2003, 06:12 PM

Routines can often be similar and I think that they should be, other than sets/reps.

http://users.rcn.com/dl.interport//bench.html

If you look at the big guys of late, Dorian, Mike Francois and so on, they do heavy basic movements.

**BabsieGirl** · 10-17-2003, 07:00 PM

HEY......I know Mike Francois

**Mudge** · 10-17-2003, 08:15 PM

As a mormon (him) I wonder how he dealt with certain things, since one of the rules they follow is "follow the laws of the land" but, he seemed like a nice guy and certainly worked hard to get where he did development wise.

I know that Mike considered being a priest at one point and such.

**Monolith** · 10-17-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Mudge
Routines can often be similar and I think that they should be, other than sets/reps.

http://users.rcn.com/dl.interport//bench.html

If you look at the big guys of late, Dorian, Mike Francois and so on, they do heavy basic movements.

Hey, nice linkage! I'm gonna give some of that a shot next time i switch up my routine.

**Mudge** · 10-17-2003, 10:51 PM

Make sure to use the new version, the old version tables are way off.

**vanity** · 10-18-2003, 03:38 AM

Between Strength and Mass,

a priest will always choose Mass.

-Corn of the day-

**Mindless** · 10-18-2003, 09:00 PM

lol

**Monolith** · 10-20-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Mudge
Make sure to use the new version, the old version tables are way off.

Looked through that routine a bit more thorougly today... and i think i need to find something else. I train alone, and a lot of that routine deals with negatives and sets close to your 1RM. :/

Any other ideas?

**Mudge** · 10-20-2003, 10:24 AM

Sometimes you can't follow a routine to the letter, I dont think it needs to be thrown away because of that.

If you want strength I would use something similar, lift heavy, not light. Since I am not interested in all out powerlifting I dont hardly ever go below 3 reps, and if I do 3 thats for a single set only.

**Monolith** · 10-20-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Mudge
Sometimes you can't follow a routine to the letter, I dont think it needs to be thrown away because of that.

If you want strength I would use something similar, lift heavy, not light. Since I am not interested in all out powerlifting I dont hardly ever go below 3 reps, and if I do 3 thats for a single set only.

I've been doing 5x5 stuff on the bench... was thinking of lowering the weight a bit and doing some of that "velocity" training. i.e. moving the bar up and down as fast as possible.

Maybe ill throw some machine stuff in too... im just so bored with most chest lifts. :/

**Mudge** · 10-20-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Monolith
moving the bar up and down as fast as possible.

I'd be carefull with that, sounds like hell on the joints and very risky for connective tissue and muscle, the human body was not built to be a rubber band.

**Monolith** · 10-20-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Mudge
I'd be carefull with that, sounds like hell on the joints and very risky for connective tissue and muscle, the human body was not built to be a rubber band.

Well, not to the point of bouncing the weight at the bottom of the movement or hyperextending at the top - still maintaining control of it. I've seen it mentioned a few times around here (in links), and it was even mentioned in one of the articles here: http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/index.htm (the link that captaindeadlift posted).

All i've been doing is basic 5-8 rep sets of DB or BB presses. Occassionally some flys and some drop sets. I feel like i need more variation... and i dont have many other ideas. I really dont feel comfortable working close to my 1RM without a spotter, either. (And i dont want to ask someone i dont know for a spot on almost every set

).

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