Thread: Good Experienced Body Builders...

Dude I dont understand everyone told me to only work one muscel once a week I wanted to do twice a week, but your at 3 times a week I just don understand this shit anymore. Sorry had to vent and I didnt give you any help

well, I know there is a difference between competitive body building and just building muscle...

It seems to me like there are lots of ways to be successful in the gym... and from what I've seen in my own development... it's finding that fine line between

Workouts that actually make you feel like you hurt yourself...

and

Workouts that if you lost your memory, the next morning you wouldn't even be able to tell you went to the gym...

I like to feel a LITTLE soreness the next day after lifting... but I don't like to feel hurt...

I know that others here can post more factual based evidence then i can...

I basically do big bodypart, small bodypart.

1) Chest Neck Traps
2) Back Delts
3) OFF - optional
4) Arms Abs
5) Legs Forearms
6) OFF

Originally posted by once was fat
Dude I dont understand everyone told me to only work one muscel once a week I wanted to do twice a week, but your at 3 times a week I just don understand this shit anymore. Sorry had to vent and I didnt give you any help

If you do low volume or low intensity you can generally do this, but doesn't work too well for me. I have done heavy routines 3x a week before, going to the gym twice a day 6 days a week, but its a bitch and dont expect to last long working a job and doing that, major energy and sleep requirements.

If your goal is over-training , then I would say your routine is very effective.

Keep training this way and you will be so weak one year from now that my grandmother will be able to kick the stuffing out of you.

Read some of the past threads. This over-training issue keeps coming up.

BTW: If you really want to compete in tennis then you should train your legs. You could run around the court til you're blue in the face but that will only build stamina and endurance. If you want power, acceleration and explosiveness train your legs with weights. Once a week is all it takes.

If you only train your upperbody , your body will be so out of whack and so unbalanced that you'll be walking around like a middle-aged , constipated monkey.

I think your idea about training lower body once a week for explosiveness and power is a good idea, I will definitely consider it... any suggestions on what exercises to include?

I think you might be over dramatizing the whole constipated upper body monkey thing... but it did create an interesting mental image...

I would also like to arrange an arm wrestling match with your grandmother one year from today...

If you aren't sore and you're able to complete your workout without too much trouble... should you really be that concerned about over training? I guess I have looked at the wrong sources, but i kept reading that 48 hours was sufficient recovery time for the muscles...

Don't think I'm trying to be Mr. Know It All... I only know what I've read been told... and I'm always looking to learn more...

Mudge:

Arms on DAY 4 and Forearms on DAY 5?

Why don't you do them on the same day?

I see two problems with that part of your routine:

1- you will not be able to work your forearms to their max because they'll still be fatigued from Day 4's arm workout.

2- You are short-circuiting the recovery/rebuilding process of Day 4's arm workout by doing forearms on day 5. You're muscles have not had time to rebuild and this will eat at your gains.

Originally posted by vanity
1- you will not be able to work your forearms to their max because they'll still be fatigued from Day 4's arm workout.

My forearms dont lose much on arm day, I only do 5-6 sets for biceps. The real punishment comes on back day.

Since I do not use straps for anything yet, I am fine IMO.

HoldDaMAYO:

My grandmother's dead.

I wasn't kidding about the monkey analogy. If you pack on good muscle mass only on the upper part of your body you will have serious gaps in your strength. You can't play favorites. If you don't train your whole body you are cheating yourself and I guarantee you will have a significant injury within the year.

I've actually seen guys not be able to walk properly because their upper body was too heavy for their lower body.
If you don't train hard you're wasting your time and energy.
If you only go through the motions you will only see minimal gains and your time/energy investment will not be repaid.

If you're just starting out you could do 2 whole body workouts per week and gradually build intensity. After a few months you should probably start a split routine and also a periodization plan.

As for leg exercises you can do, try:

Squats
leg curls
leg extensions
heel (calf) raises
lunges

there are lots more.

Have fun.

how much does your supplementation affect how often you should be working and reworking muscle groups?

If your legs suck so will your deadlifts, and therefore so will your back. A wide and thick back is about the most intimidating bodypart IMO.

I dont care how big someones arms are, if they dont have a huge back it looks stupid. Now when a guy barely fits through a doorframe, its a sight to behold.

hmm... have you ever seen a tennis player that barely fit through a door frame? i know it's not the manliest of sports... but it's what I do... and I can never be that big... but I can serve a tennis ball over 120 miles an hour... doubt many "big dogs" could manage that...

I would imagine being a 280 pound tennis player would not be condusive to the sport.

Mudge:

I agree. Alot of guys do it assbackwards. They spend all their time training small muscle groups and forget about the large muscle groups. It's the large muscle groups that need to be worked more and harder and it's the large muscle groups that need to be stronger.

If you have a strong core ( low back/abs) and a solid foundation with a powerful back chest and legs you stand up straight, walk with confidence and people will cross to the other side of the street when they see you walking in their direction.

If you only have big arms and chest then all you get is little old ladies asking you to carry their groceries.

It's kind of silly but in the crowded, hectic society we live in, being physically intimidating makes the day to day grind alot smoother.

The Big man is always right. Survival of the fittest as Darwin said.

280 is kind of extreme.

If you weigh in around 200 with a good LBM and low bodyfat you could be a force on the court.

Pretty much all tennis players incorporate weights into their training (even the women). Look at Serena Williams or Capriati ( not exactly lightweights). Agassi's game got alot better after he started to religiously strength train.

Try it and let us know how it affects your game.

I never said tennis wasn't a manly sport but let's face it you're always playing with someone else's balls. And what's that Love thing all about anyways?

^^^^this thread just ended...

hehe... anyway... i would like to get to around 190... I feel like that's a nice balance of strength and agility...

I'm already the quickest guy i know on the court... but I would like to add a couple inches to my verticle leap...

My Gramps was a state level tennis player, pretty tall and thin.

Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
I'm already the quickest guy i know on the court... but I would like to add a couple inches to my verticle leap...

I'd award extra points for a 360º and a click of the heels, can you do it? You still must return the volley.

it's considered to be the second most difficult sport in the world

behind hand ball... you know the real sport of handball with the little ball that you hit against the wall... for some reason, that is considered to be the toughest sport in existence...

Probably tough to not only keep hitting the thing, but place your shots. I was a table tennis freak, I miss it. I was a member of a local club for awhile, I wonder now and again if they are still around. I haven't played for about 5 years now

personally , I like the grunting and the brief upskirt flashes in women's tennis .



I thought I was good at Ping Pong until I played this skinny Asian guy who spoke in a whisper and moved at the speed of light.

I beat nearly everyone at my school at least once, I was voted best in the school even though it was not true, I just played the most (every damn day, every single day...)

The chinese kids were the best, japanese friends of mine were decent, one other white guy there was very good, only beat him once, used overhand technique while I used pen style. One of those guys though said he got to play with an olympic player once, and got skunked, I can't even imagine that, those guys are insane. Super fast, great control, nimble, I used to sweat like crazy.

I love making them throw the paddle when they get beaten We used to break the balls from slamming them so hard.

ya brings back memories. Man I haven't played in years.

My forte was putting awkward spins on the ball. I used to love making the ball stop dead in it's tracks.

Playing a really great player is a truly humbling experience.
I bet it would come back pretty fast if I started playing again.

Yep, the last time I was playing somewhat regularly I lost most of my ability to put good spin on the ball, oh that used to be friggin awesome. Hit the corner of the table and have it fly away We used to try to barely get it to make it over the net and then with backspin have it basically die once there.

I probably looked like a tai chi person playing 'ping pong,' or maybe a painter.

exactly.

I looked like the Tasmanian Devil.

I played for a table tennis club when i lived in Europe... i also have some skills on the table... technique is a bit poor only because tennis is all about moving your feet... table tennis doesn't have a whole lot of time for that, it's more about upper body movement... very fun sport...

I often felt my advantage was being tall, I could spread my legs wide and pretty much cover the table by using my back.

Some terrible advice on this thread. I will grace you later with some real knowledge, but right now I will go call and tag this Russian chick and her best friend that have been wanting me for a little while. I always make them wait at least a week lollol