Losing fat at low BF%

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
If I told you Babs it wouldn't be special now would it.

Special things come from special people

**Jodi** · 11-07-2003, 04:22 PM

I am reading it exactly how you wrote it. I quoted YOUR quote several times and it still says the same thing.

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by nikegurl
i have to agree - manipulating your water right before contest has no impact on bodyfat levels.

NG -- You're getting confused. Maybe I should've put fat on the left side of my slash vs the right. Then maybe Jodi would feel better.......and yes, I agree. Water does not alter your bf, which is not what I said.

vanity · 11-07-2003, 04:24 PM

I'm the Grinch of strength training.

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl because when you diet down for a competition, you lose more weight/fat especially when you dehydrate

This is my quote........

I think the weight/fat part is what is getting to you the most.

Would you understand it better if I had it:

Because when you diet down for a competition, you lose for fat/weight especially when you dehydrate.

That's not saying..........you lose fat when you dehydrate. That comment says: this is what happens to weight and fat when you diet and dehyrate. Fat being lost during diet, weight being lost when you dehydrate.

**Jodi** · 11-07-2003, 04:34 PM

Its the same thing

You would have been better understood if you said:

You lose fat when you diet down and weight when you dehydrate.

and leave the especially out.

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi

Its the same thing

You would have been better understood if you said:

You lose fat when you diet down and weight when you dehydrate.

and leave the especially out.

Okay....well you now understand what I was saying?

I can see the especially part.

vanity · 11-07-2003, 04:38 PM

I think the only way to remedy this hair-splitting is to hold a 12 round mudwrestling match between Jodi and Babsiegirl.

last woman standing wins.

>>>>>>>>>get your tickets here>>>>>>>>>>>>

HoldDaMayo · 11-07-2003, 04:40 PM

would anyone like to critique any other of Babs' posts? I mean, it looks like this one has been THOROUGHLY nit picked... perhaps we could start on "the early years" posts... **sigh**

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 04:42 PM

Hold -- don't make it worse than it already is. My opinion is my opinion and Jodi's opinion is her opinion. I Think we're both bull headed.

Van -- This is just a debate. and a good one at that.

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 04:44 PM

Okay....I'm going home now. be back online later.

Jodi -- It's been real sister

**dg806** · 11-07-2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
My opinion is my opinion and Jodi's opinion is her opinion. I Think we're both bull headed.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
I've learned that what everybody believes, they believe it very whole-heartedly. That doesn't make it wrong.

**dg806** · 11-07-2003, 05:05 PM

Look at it this way, I'm sure some reading this have learned something. That makes it worth it!

nikegurl · 11-07-2003, 05:31 PM

this reminds me in one way of other similar debates we've had (cardio and carbs come to mind). the common thread seems to be old school vs new school thinking/methods.

speaking only for myself it's hard sometimes to let go of the "old ways". back in the day i read every issue of m&f, flex, musclemag etc cover to cover. i clipped articles on precontest prep, fatloss etc. and just ate up every word.

when i did my first contest 10 years ago (yep, i'm old) i did cardio twice daily, i cut my calories lower and lower as contest day approached and lived in constant fear of all dietary fats. the end result - lots of lost muscle.

Dante B. · 11-07-2003, 05:35 PM

Randy,

It was just me being a smart-ass.

If you want me to explain anything, I'm open to discussion.

Quote:

You no, you're a hottie with the women here

Then why am I alone on a Friday night. Get over here and keep me company.

Also note, it's never wise to argue with Jodi. I tried, in Vegas, and now I'm nursing several puncture wounds.

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Dante B.
Then why am I alone on a Friday night. Get over here and keep me company.

Also note, it's never wise to argue with Jodi. I tried, in Vegas, and now I'm nursing several puncture wounds.

hmm...is it maybe because you're picky?

If I could come over there and keep you company......I would be ALL OVER IT!!!!!

LOL -- I bet you won't argue with her again!

Dante B. · 11-07-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
I want to try a bottle. Would it make sense to get to the point where I just cannot lose the fat in that section first?

Yes, unless you've dieted down before knowing well ahead of time what those stubborn areas are.

It's more of an "icing on the cake" supplement. No reason to spend money on fat you could have lost by dieting (and exercise) alone. Then, if you find yourself relatively lean everywhere else but your hips and thighs (for example), a topical YHCL that antagonizes the A2 receptors may be of help.

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 06:00 PM

Okay -- Wanna know something REALLY freaky?

BabsieGirl · 11-07-2003, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dante B.
Yes, unless you've dieted down before knowing well ahead of time what those stubborn areas are.

It's more of an "icing on the cake" supplement. No reason to spend money on fat you could have lost by dieting (and exercise) alone. Then, if you find yourself relatively lean everywhere else but your hips and thighs (for example), a topical YHCL that antagonizes the A2 receptors may be of help.

I'm in heaven right now!

I agree with this. I do know where my trouble areas are. The plan would be....diet down then experiment with your product in that aspect. Therefore, I agree that waiting would be the best advice because like you said, "There's no reason to spend money on fat you could have lost by dieting and exercise alone.

I just edited this due to a TYPO......wow! I'm amazed no one caught that...whew!

Randy · 11-07-2003, 06:17 PM

Yep, I agree too Babsie...
You can do some amazing things with just the proper diet and exercise... give it a whirl.

Who needs supplements...blah ! Well they work for some, but I don't really believe in em. At least for me. Other than protein and creatine. But what do I know.

Randy · 11-07-2003, 06:19 PM

Now please...nobody flame me for my opinion or I will go get Jonwell

**Jodi** · 11-07-2003, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dante B.

Also note, it's never wise to argue with Jodi. I tried, in Vegas, and now I'm nursing several puncture wounds.

I'm still cleaning the dried blood off my boots ya know so quit your bitching.

Randy · 11-07-2003, 06:22 PM

And I thought this topic would never end

You mean the blood finally dried?

Dante B. · 11-07-2003, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Okay -- Wanna know something REALLY freaky?

What.

Do tell.

Now.

I mean it.

Dante B. · 11-07-2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Randy
Yep, I agree too Babsie...
You can do some amazing things with just the proper diet and exercise... give it a whirl.

Who needs supplements.

No one needs them. No one needs anything. But some wish to have more than their genetics are willing to hand over.

Anyone who uses supplements without proper training and nutrition is retarded. Anyone who thinks that training and dieting conquers all is highly delusional.

Unfortunately, most people rest on top of one extreme or another.

derekisdman · 11-07-2003, 07:04 PM

Dante's Peak

11-07-2003, 04:22 PM	#92
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	I am reading it exactly how you wrote it. I quoted YOUR quote several times and it still says the same thing.
	Essence EFA

11-07-2003, 04:34 PM	#96
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	Its the same thing You would have been better understood if you said: You lose fat when you diet down and weight when you dehydrate. and leave the especially out.
	Essence EFA

11-07-2003, 04:40 PM	#99
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	would anyone like to critique any other of Babs' posts? I mean, it looks like this one has been THOROUGHLY nit picked... perhaps we could start on "the early years" posts... sigh
	Are you kidding me????

11-07-2003, 04:42 PM	#100
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	Hold -- don't make it worse than it already is. My opinion is my opinion and Jodi's opinion is her opinion. I Think we're both bull headed. Van -- This is just a debate. and a good one at that.
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11-07-2003, 04:44 PM	#101
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	Okay....I'm going home now. be back online later. Jodi -- It's been real sister
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11-07-2003, 04:24 PM	#94
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11-07-2003, 04:38 PM	#98
vanity Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,218 Photos: 1	I think the only way to remedy this hair-splitting is to hold a 12 round mudwrestling match between Jodi and Babsiegirl. last woman standing wins. >>>>>>>>>get your tickets here>>>>>>>>>>>>

11-07-2003, 05:05 PM	#103
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11-07-2003, 05:31 PM	#104
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	this reminds me in one way of other similar debates we've had (cardio and carbs come to mind). the common thread seems to be old school vs new school thinking/methods. speaking only for myself it's hard sometimes to let go of the "old ways". back in the day i read every issue of m&f, flex, musclemag etc cover to cover. i clipped articles on precontest prep, fatloss etc. and just ate up every word. when i did my first contest 10 years ago (yep, i'm old) i did cardio twice daily, i cut my calories lower and lower as contest day approached and lived in constant fear of all dietary fats. the end result - lots of lost muscle.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

11-07-2003, 06:00 PM	#108
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	Okay -- Wanna know something REALLY freaky?
	Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

11-07-2003, 06:17 PM	#110
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Yep, I agree too Babsie... You can do some amazing things with just the proper diet and exercise... give it a whirl. Who needs supplements...blah ! Well they work for some, but I don't really believe in em. At least for me. Other than protein and creatine. But what do I know.
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11-07-2003, 06:19 PM	#111
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Now please...nobody flame me for my opinion or I will go get Jonwell
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11-07-2003, 06:22 PM	#113
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	And I thought this topic would never end You mean the blood finally dried?
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11-07-2003, 07:04 PM	#116
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