is it bad to work every muscle in upperbody?

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 01:34 PM

Someone at the gym asked me why i do that.... this is what my workout plan looks like when i go.... Butterfly's, Bench, machine bench, machine incline, Sholdor press, high pulls, machine traps, tricep cables, dips, machine preacher curls, Straight bar curls, and then cable curls.... I think that is it.... is that bad 2 do? or does it really matter?? I go to gym every other day... sometimes twice in a row.... when i still get the same muscle growth like that? compared to if i just did Pecs one day... just bi's one day... and so on

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 01:39 PM

i feel like i need to take a break on upper bodyperiod... im gettin stretch marks... and the weight im doing is just freakish (compared to these humongous guys at my gym) U know the bar with the square with 2 other little bars in it , where u put ur hands... not the dead lift bar... but similar and smaller(i call it the tricep bar, dunno if thats the name) Well i have to pile 65 pounds on each side to get a good tricep work out.... and i have not seen anyone do that at my gym.... ever..... and im doing them right.... and now my goddamn shoulder feels like it has no cartlidge left... i think i might have to have surgery

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 01:41 PM

and im benching 350 ... but can barely even use a bench because of the extreme pain in my shoulders and colar bone area.... any info would be great

**Mudge** · 11-15-2003, 01:47 PM

I used to have shoulder problems benching but not once I learned how properly, the link is in my sig.

I think what you meant to say is it bad to work the same bodyparts so frequently? If you are doing low intensity sure, but I dont do well on low intensity workouts.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 02:50 PM

Sounds like you need to trim the weight down just a bit till you feel comfortable.... One thing I learned, you don't want to ignore pain signals... If you do, then you can create permanent damage in many cases... (Be careful).

Now as for working multible major body parts in one day... That is fine.. But if your lifting for bulk and doing heavy weights. You may want to cut the workout in half.. Do one major body part like in the morning, and the other in the evening. I know many who like that program. I do tri's and bi's the same day.. Just takes about 2 hours. But I think if you do more than say 3-4 exercises per body part you may be overtraining. Watch out for that too.
Some say they like working their major body parts on different days... (That's fine too). There are several methods out there. Some may work great for you, but not for others or visa versa. You find what works for you. As for the bar you described, Yes I believe that is referred to as the tricep bar.

Now for your shoulder problems, again try lightening the weight a bit. Sometimes I get kinks in my shoulder that I have to work out with lighter weights...then I gradually go heavier till the pain is gone. But if it is so bad you think you may need surgery than you may want to knock off the weights for awhile and get it checked out... Again pain should not be ignored.. Especially when severe. But only you know when to stop or not...Mostly that is common sense.<Just my thoughts anyway>

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Originally posted by Just a guy
and im benching 350 ... but can barely even use a bench because of the extreme pain in my shoulders and colar bone area.... any info would be great

**Mudge** · 11-15-2003, 03:04 PM

I always start with incline presses now, then I do my flat or decline benching (almost 100% decline), then finish with the pec deck.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 03:09 PM

I find it hard to do severe decline benching... Affraid I drop bar and hit head on ground.

You must have serious feet clamps man. See that is one advantage of gym... There are some cases where the sophisticated equipment comes in handy

I love the dumbell fly's, and the pec dec is a good one too.

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Originally posted by Mudge
I always start with incline presses now, then I do my flat or decline benching (almost 100% decline), then finish with the pec deck.

BUSTINOUT · 11-15-2003, 03:20 PM

JaG, you problems with you shoulder pain answers you original question IMHO. How much you lift and how big you are don't mean thing if you are injured by your workouts. Is the workout you listed done in one day and done every other day? If that is the case, no wonder your body is a wreck.

On a side note from a post in this thread...overtraining typically does not come from the number of bodyparts trained at one time(although stress on the CNS can be an issue), but rather the frequency and lack of recoup time.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 03:32 PM

I believe they all play a role in overtraining Bustin...
I've known people to do 10 sets of a particular muscle. That can be overtraining. Now frequency and recoup time contributes to it as well. Recoup time is very important as you say. You definately need a rest period for your muscles to grow.

**Mudge** · 11-15-2003, 03:39 PM

After I do my incline work I dont use that much weight on the decline, I do higher reps on the decline and stick to 245 or so tops. 7 sets on the incline, 4 on the decline.

How are you going to drop the bar? Yes the feet clamps work fine, I have long legs and so you do.

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 03:39 PM

i guess i workout so hard because i feel like im not doing anything because of the juice... no soreness... I have to do all of that crap to get some what "tight" in a workout

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 03:40 PM

noday i did 295 5 times and it felt like i got stabbed in my colar bone.... painful stuff... only bench does it.... i can throw 270 on the dip machine and do it forever with no pain.... same thing with machine bench... weird stuff

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 03:51 PM

because of the pain of free weights

Just a guy · 11-15-2003, 03:52 PM

i cant do bench but so much.... i use alot of hammer strength shit 2.... but my bench max... comes from the real bench not machine stuff lol i can do like 500 on machine bench.... would be nice if that was real bench!!

BUSTINOUT · 11-15-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Just a guy
i guess i workout so hard because i feel like im not doing anything because of the juice... no soreness... I have to do all of that crap to get some what "tight" in a workout

That is the very reason it is so easy to overtrain while cycling. And that is where experience comes in and using your head. Don't assume because you get sore that you are doing it right.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 03:59 PM

I feel the same, I do 300 and it hurts big time... Lots of weight for me anyway being natural. They say with a little juice you can add another 100. That would be nice.. My goal is to try to do it naturally. But you reach a peak on the bench and it gets tough to move past it.

BUSTINOUT · 11-15-2003, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
I believe they all play a role in overtraining Bustin...
I've known people to do 10 sets of a particular muscle. That can be overtraining. Now frequency and recoup time contributes to it as well. Recoup time is very important as you say. You definately need a rest period for your muscles to grow.

I agree, but I didn't think we were talking about "one" particular muscle group, but that several during the same workout.

BUSTINOUT · 11-15-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
They say with a little juice you can add another 100.

Not sure who "they" are, but "they" are wrong. lol

Randy · 11-15-2003, 07:40 PM

Well there sure are a lot of little green men becoming very big green men with help from the juice. If you didn't achieve substantial gains than I think this symbol

is better directed to those taking the juice

Now the ones that told me they added 100 to their bench were taking the juice directly. Now I can vouch for their gains since I happen to know these individuals. How much juice they're taking, and what they are taking, that I can not comment on.. But is it that hard to believe someone can add 100 to their bench... Come on now. I don't know what closets you guys have been in

Now maybe it was a little less , but what the hell would people take them at all if they didn't see substantial gains... I sure wouldn't.
Now when I said, "with a little juice, they could add 100". Now that was a figure of speech. I don't know how much and exactly how long, but they did it.

**Mudge** · 11-15-2003, 07:45 PM

Soreness doesn't equate to a good workout, I hardly ever get sore unless I step up the number of sets in a big way, come back from a layoff, or maybe switch the routine up significantly. Adding a set a week or something is obviously going to get ridiculous very fast, there is no reason to do so.

Are you watching your calcium intake? If you are drinking alot of caffeine that will drain calcium from the body, other than that I dont know what the sternum soreness could be, either way I'm sure it is not a sign of good things. If you are not doing rest-pauses I would switch to those, unless you are bouncing the weight or have bone problems I can't think of another reason for it.

firestorm · 11-15-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Not sure who "they" are, but "they" are wrong. lol

Ok I read the above Randy and I see now with the wording of things where the confusion comes in as you stated to me in your PM. You said "a little juice will add 100lbs to bench) I think if I'm reading B/O above correctly he is being scarcastic because to add 100pds it would take more then just "a little" juice. Maybe some pretty knarly cycles as well as proper diet,nutrition and rest.
To answer your question "simply" the answer is YES steroids will help you raise your bench 100 lbs over a shorter span of time then it would take naturally but like anything else, juice alone is not enough, You need to really up your training intensity as well as the other things I mentioned above.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 11:21 PM

Your right FS my first message seemed to be misleading.
But I fixed that with the 2nd one

But I do agree with your points made FS.

firestorm · 11-15-2003, 11:28 PM

I knew what you meant by your 1st post and I'm sure B/O did also but he likes to kid around alot.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 11:35 PM

I hear ya FS... nothing wrong with that

firestorm · 11-15-2003, 11:37 PM

naaa I agree. BO is a great guy even though he has horrible body odor. You see he calls himself BustenOut but sublimitally he means BO which we all know stands for Body Odor.

Randy · 11-15-2003, 11:44 PM

I can tell you two are very close

11-15-2003, 01:34 PM	#1
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	is it bad to work every muscle in upperbody? Someone at the gym asked me why i do that.... this is what my workout plan looks like when i go.... Butterfly's, Bench, machine bench, machine incline, Sholdor press, high pulls, machine traps, tricep cables, dips, machine preacher curls, Straight bar curls, and then cable curls.... I think that is it.... is that bad 2 do? or does it really matter?? I go to gym every other day... sometimes twice in a row.... when i still get the same muscle growth like that? compared to if i just did Pecs one day... just bi's one day... and so on

11-15-2003, 01:39 PM	#2
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i feel like i need to take a break on upper bodyperiod... im gettin stretch marks... and the weight im doing is just freakish (compared to these humongous guys at my gym) U know the bar with the square with 2 other little bars in it , where u put ur hands... not the dead lift bar... but similar and smaller(i call it the tricep bar, dunno if thats the name) Well i have to pile 65 pounds on each side to get a good tricep work out.... and i have not seen anyone do that at my gym.... ever..... and im doing them right.... and now my goddamn shoulder feels like it has no cartlidge left... i think i might have to have surgery
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

11-15-2003, 01:41 PM	#3
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	and im benching 350 ... but can barely even use a bench because of the extreme pain in my shoulders and colar bone area.... any info would be great
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

11-15-2003, 01:47 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	I used to have shoulder problems benching but not once I learned how properly, the link is in my sig. I think what you meant to say is it bad to work the same bodyparts so frequently? If you are doing low intensity sure, but I dont do well on low intensity workouts.
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11-15-2003, 03:32 PM	#9
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I believe they all play a role in overtraining Bustin... I've known people to do 10 sets of a particular muscle. That can be overtraining. Now frequency and recoup time contributes to it as well. Recoup time is very important as you say. You definately need a rest period for your muscles to grow.
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11-15-2003, 03:04 PM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	I always start with incline presses now, then I do my flat or decline benching (almost 100% decline), then finish with the pec deck.

11-15-2003, 03:20 PM	#8
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,415	JaG, you problems with you shoulder pain answers you original question IMHO. How much you lift and how big you are don't mean thing if you are injured by your workouts. Is the workout you listed done in one day and done every other day? If that is the case, no wonder your body is a wreck. On a side note from a post in this thread...overtraining typically does not come from the number of bodyparts trained at one time(although stress on the CNS can be an issue), but rather the frequency and lack of recoup time.

11-15-2003, 03:39 PM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	After I do my incline work I dont use that much weight on the decline, I do higher reps on the decline and stick to 245 or so tops. 7 sets on the incline, 4 on the decline. How are you going to drop the bar? Yes the feet clamps work fine, I have long legs and so you do.

11-15-2003, 03:40 PM	#12
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	noday i did 295 5 times and it felt like i got stabbed in my colar bone.... painful stuff... only bench does it.... i can throw 270 on the dip machine and do it forever with no pain.... same thing with machine bench... weird stuff
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

11-15-2003, 03:51 PM	#13
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	because of the pain of free weights
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

11-15-2003, 03:52 PM	#14
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i cant do bench but so much.... i use alot of hammer strength shit 2.... but my bench max... comes from the real bench not machine stuff lol i can do like 500 on machine bench.... would be nice if that was real bench!!
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

11-15-2003, 03:59 PM	#16
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I feel the same, I do 300 and it hurts big time... Lots of weight for me anyway being natural. They say with a little juice you can add another 100. That would be nice.. My goal is to try to do it naturally. But you reach a peak on the bench and it gets tough to move past it.
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11-15-2003, 07:40 PM	#19
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Well there sure are a lot of little green men becoming very big green men with help from the juice. If you didn't achieve substantial gains than I think this symbol is better directed to those taking the juice Now the ones that told me they added 100 to their bench were taking the juice directly. Now I can vouch for their gains since I happen to know these individuals. How much juice they're taking, and what they are taking, that I can not comment on.. But is it that hard to believe someone can add 100 to their bench... Come on now. I don't know what closets you guys have been in Now maybe it was a little less , but what the hell would people take them at all if they didn't see substantial gains... I sure wouldn't. Now when I said, "with a little juice, they could add 100". Now that was a figure of speech. I don't know how much and exactly how long, but they did it.
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11-15-2003, 07:45 PM	#20
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Soreness doesn't equate to a good workout, I hardly ever get sore unless I step up the number of sets in a big way, come back from a layoff, or maybe switch the routine up significantly. Adding a set a week or something is obviously going to get ridiculous very fast, there is no reason to do so. Are you watching your calcium intake? If you are drinking alot of caffeine that will drain calcium from the body, other than that I dont know what the sternum soreness could be, either way I'm sure it is not a sign of good things. If you are not doing rest-pauses I would switch to those, unless you are bouncing the weight or have bone problems I can't think of another reason for it.

11-15-2003, 11:21 PM	#22
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Your right FS my first message seemed to be misleading. But I fixed that with the 2nd one But I do agree with your points made FS.
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11-15-2003, 11:28 PM	#23
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I knew what you meant by your 1st post and I'm sure B/O did also but he likes to kid around alot.

11-15-2003, 11:35 PM	#24
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I hear ya FS... nothing wrong with that
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11-15-2003, 11:37 PM	#25
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	naaa I agree. BO is a great guy even though he has horrible body odor. You see he calls himself BustenOut but sublimitally he means BO which we all know stands for Body Odor.

11-15-2003, 11:44 PM	#26
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I can tell you two are very close