Arm question.

Var · 12-26-2003, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
Well you can't disagree that different bicep movements are better for different things. ( Not a large difference, but there is )

There's no doubt that it's going to help you build the muscle by hitting it from different angles, with different exercises. The FACT is you cannot shape a muscle. This is a physiological fact. Not sure how people can still be debating this.

Randy · 12-26-2003, 04:01 PM

I don't know Var, they can do miracles now with surgery and drugs

**P-funk** · 12-26-2003, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by Var
There's no doubt that it's going to help you build the muscle by hitting it from different angles, with different exercises. The FACT is you cannot shape a muscle. This is a physiological fact. Not sure how people can still be debating this.

Don't even bother, I have given up.

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How about this guys. Although I'm right handed, my left arm has a peak and my right arm doesn't. I guess one peak is better then no peak at all.

This is possible since one attachement is longer than the other.

Randy · 12-26-2003, 04:02 PM

Boobs are genetic too, and look at what they are doing with them nowadays...

**P-funk** · 12-26-2003, 04:03 PM

So go and have your bicep tendon re-attached and you will have those peaks that you are looking for. I don't understand what you are trying to get at here?

Randy · 12-26-2003, 04:05 PM

Ok P-funk, I am making an appointment as we speak

They have agreed to attach the monster of peaks giving me a 26 inch total measurement when done.. Hell now I can beat Manfred's record

Randy · 12-26-2003, 04:11 PM

No seriously speaking I am not disputing the fact that the shape and form of a muscle outcome is dictated by genetics. I'm just saying that it is hard to determine when any one individual has exhibitied their peak outcome in musclebuilding. Like me, I have only worked like 2 years exclusively dedicating myself to extreme bodybuilding. I have many more years to go before my muscles will reach their peak in performance. I am just saying that just because people don't have their peaks now, doesn't mean they won't be able to achieve a nice peak later. I am no doctor though, and don't know what percentages are involved in genetics and how many men can achieve a nice peak and how many can not due to genetics factors? Me, I'm not worrying about all that scientific crap. I am just working hard and motivating myself by my improvements.

I think to many people read to far into this stuff. That can bring you down. Well, at least in some cases if they think that all their hard work will never enable them to build a peak or get the desired look their working so hard to achieve. I think positive thinking goes a long way.

I think there are far to many scientists and doctors within this forum. I think Prince would agree with me on that one

plouffe · 12-26-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Var
There's no doubt that it's going to help you build the muscle by hitting it from different angles, with different exercises. The FACT is you cannot shape a muscle. This is a physiological fact. Not sure how people can still be debating this.

Yes I know this.

Var · 12-26-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
No seriously speaking I am not disputing the fact that the shape and form of a muscle outcome is dictated by genetics. I'm just saying that it is hard to determine when any one individual has exhibitied their peak outcome in musclebuilding. Like me, I have only worked like 2 years exclusively dedicating myself to extreme bodybuilding. I have many more years to go before my muscles will reach their peak in performance. I am just saying that just because people don't have their peaks now, doesn't mean they won't be able to achieve a nice peak later. I am no doctor though, and don't know what percentages are involved in genetics and how many men can achieve a nice peak and how many can not due to genetics factors? Me, I'm not worrying about all that scientific crap. I am just working hard and motivating myself by my improvements.

I think to many people read to far into this stuff. That can bring you down. Well, at least in some cases if they think that all their hard work will never enable them to build a peak or get the desired look their working so hard to achieve. I think positive thinking goes a long way.

I think there are far to many scientists and doctors within this forum. I think Prince would agree with me on that one

I think you need to read up a bit. I don't mean to insult you, and I agree that it takes time to reach full potential in this game. The fact is that you can't deny science in this instance. It's been debated Ad Nauseum, but the facts remain.

Randy · 12-26-2003, 04:58 PM

Where did I ever say that I am denying science?
Did you read my first sentence?
It seems you need to read up a bit

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Originally posted by Var
I think you need to read up a bit. I don't mean to insult you, and I agree that it takes time to reach full potential in this game. The fact is that you can't deny science in this instance. It's been debated Ad Nauseum, but the facts remain.

Var · 12-26-2003, 05:05 PM

I did read that. Then you went on to talk about people reaching their peak performance. I appologize if I misunderstood, but it still sounded as though you believe you can change the shape of your muscle by lifting weights. If you've been working out for 2 years, you probably havent reached your full potential...I agree. But the shape of your muscle is still there. Perhaps you could argue that people have a peak and don't know it because their bodyfat is extremely high and hiding the muscle. Otherwise, it still sounds like you think that peak could come out with time and training.
Not picking a fight...just trying to pass on some info.

supertech · 12-26-2003, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by P-funk
your bicep peak is all based upon the attachment of the bicep tendon. This is somehting that cannot be changed unless you go and have it surgically re-attached. Otherwise, you just have to deal with the genetics you were delt and work on making your arms as big as possible.

This the way my bicep looks.So I will only be able to get it bigger but wont be able to get it to peak higher

Var · 12-26-2003, 05:09 PM

Hard to tell by that pic. Looks like their may be some fat hiding the muscles definition. I could be wrong...just can't tell by the pic. Could have a peak under there which will show with lower bf.

supertech · 12-26-2003, 05:22 PM

sorry about the quality of the pic all i got is a web cam. And I do have alot of body fat.Trying to cut down and build muscle at the same time.

Randy · 12-26-2003, 05:22 PM

I don't think I could be any clearer Var. I said that I agree with the fact that once your muscle reaches it's peak performance that genetics will dictate it's shape. The point I'm trying to make is that until it reaches its peak performance, you won't know exactly what that shape will unveil. Are babies born with peaks?

I sure never see them. I know many people who have worked out for years that didn't display their peaks until several additional years of hard work. That is all I am saying. Now your welcome to dispute that. I will just have to prove you wrong won't I

Even if your arm contains low body fat doesn't mean that the arm has reached its potential and can not later display a large peak.

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Originally posted by Var
I did read that. Then you went on to talk about people reaching their peak performance. I appologize if I misunderstood, but it still sounded as though you believe you can change the shape of your muscle by lifting weights. If you've been working out for 2 years, you probably havent reached your full potential...I agree. But the shape of your muscle is still their. Perhaps you could argue that people have a peak and don't know if because their bodyfat is extremely high and hiding the muscle. Otherwise, it still sounds like you think that peak could come out with time and training.
Not picking a fight...just trying to pass on some info.

Var · 12-26-2003, 05:25 PM

Dont let the issue of having, or not having, a bicep peak deter you in any way. I would LOVE to have a peak, but I dont. Doesnt mean I can't still build a great physique. Just keep at it and utilize the people on this board when you have questions. You'll find LOTS of useful feedback!

Var · 12-26-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
I don't think I could be any clearer Var. I said that I agree with the fact that once your muscle reaches it's peak performance that genetics will dictate it's shape. The point I'm trying to make is that until it reaches its peak performance, you won't know exactly what that shape will unveil. Are babies born with peaks?

I sure never see them. I know many people who have worked out for years that didn't display their peaks until several additional years of hard work. That is all I am saying. Now your welcome to dispute that. I will just have to prove you wrong won't I

Even if your arm contains low body fat doesn't mean that the arm has reached its potential and can not later display a large peak.

I should have known not to get involved in the great muscle shaping debate. Never a good scene. I'm off to do some incline presses to build my lagging upper chest.

Randy · 12-26-2003, 05:30 PM

I think your side stepping the topic here.
I know you can achieve a nice physique without a peak.
And leveraging off of the people within this forum for questions is a given.. What does that have to do with my topic?

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Originally posted by Var
Dont let the issue of having, or not having, a bicep peak deter you in any way. I would LOVE to have a peak, but I dont. Doesnt mean I can't still build a great physique. Just keep at it and utilize the people on this board when you have questions. You'll find LOTS of useful feedback!

Var · 12-26-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
I think your side stepping the topic here.
I know you can achieve a nice physique without a peak.
And leveraging off of the people within this forum for questions is a given.. What does that have to do with my topic?

You're starting to get ridiculous now Rand. His post about losing bf and building muscle sounded as though I was discouraging him a bit. Was trying to avoid that. I believe I've addressed the topic clearly enough in my other posts.

**P-funk** · 12-26-2003, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by supertech
This the way my bicep looks.So I will only be able to get it bigger but wont be able to get it to peak higher

It is hard to tell from that picture (lighting and bf% are playing a big part in what your muscle looks like there). But if you look at your bicep when you flex it try and see where the attachemnt is. Flex your bicep and look at the distance from where your peak begins and where the inside of your elbow is bending. If it is a great distance that means you have a short attachment, if your peak starts realy close to the inside of your elbow then you have a long bicep attachment.

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I think to many people read to far into this stuff. That can bring you down. Well, at least in some cases if they think that all their hard work will never enable them to build a peak or get the desired look their working so hard to achieve. I think positive thinking goes a long way. I think there are far to many scientists and doctors within this forum.

Randy, I'm not trying to bring you down here, actually I believe that I was the one that told you that only time will tell what your bicep is going to look like. And yes there are some intelligent people on this board, I have done a lot of studies in exercise science, physiology and kineseology so I don't apperciate the attempted insult.

-patrick

Randy · 12-26-2003, 05:39 PM

No, I think you are getting ridicuoulous Var. Your rambling on and not making any point.

Mine again was that I believe your muscle shape and peak is dictated by genetics. But that shape and peak may not be fully unveiled and displayed until you reach your full potential. Then you start talking about not getting discouraged that you can have a nice physique with or without a peak and that you can call upon the people within the forum for questions.. ???

It seems you just want to ramble about information that is not revelent to the topic... And I am being ridiculous?

Var · 12-26-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
No, I think you are getting ridicuoulous Var. Your rambling on and not making any point.

Mine again was that I believe your muscle shape and peak is dictated by genetics. But that shape and peak may not be fully unveiled and displayed until you reach your full potential. Then you start talking about not getting discouraged that you can have a nice physique with or without a peak and that you can call upon the people within the forum for questions.. ???

It seems you just want to ramble about information that is not revelent to the topic... And I am being ridiculous?

Randy · 12-26-2003, 05:41 PM

Now you just stated the point I made. "Time will tell what your bicep is going to look like".

So saying this, why are you arguing with me? Your not making any sense.

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Originally posted by P-funk
It is hard to tell from that picture (lighting and bf% are playing a big part in what your muscle looks like there). But if you look at your bicep when you flex it try and see where the attachemnt is. Flex your bicep and look at the distance from where your peak begins and where the inside of your elbow is bending. If it is a great distance that means you have a short attachment, if your peak starts realy close to the inside of your elbow then you have a long bicep attachment.

Randy, I'm not trying to bring you down here, actually I believe that I was the one that told you that only time will tell what your bicep is going to look like. And yes there are some intelligent people on this board, I have done a lot of studies in exercise science, physiology and kineseology so I don't apperciate the attempted insult.

-patrick

12-26-2003, 04:01 PM	#32
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12-26-2003, 04:02 PM	#34
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12-26-2003, 04:03 PM	#35
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	So go and have your bicep tendon re-attached and you will have those peaks that you are looking for. I don't understand what you are trying to get at here?
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12-26-2003, 04:05 PM	#36
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Ok P-funk, I am making an appointment as we speak They have agreed to attach the monster of peaks giving me a 26 inch total measurement when done.. Hell now I can beat Manfred's record
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12-26-2003, 04:11 PM	#37
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	No seriously speaking I am not disputing the fact that the shape and form of a muscle outcome is dictated by genetics. I'm just saying that it is hard to determine when any one individual has exhibitied their peak outcome in musclebuilding. Like me, I have only worked like 2 years exclusively dedicating myself to extreme bodybuilding. I have many more years to go before my muscles will reach their peak in performance. I am just saying that just because people don't have their peaks now, doesn't mean they won't be able to achieve a nice peak later. I am no doctor though, and don't know what percentages are involved in genetics and how many men can achieve a nice peak and how many can not due to genetics factors? Me, I'm not worrying about all that scientific crap. I am just working hard and motivating myself by my improvements. I think to many people read to far into this stuff. That can bring you down. Well, at least in some cases if they think that all their hard work will never enable them to build a peak or get the desired look their working so hard to achieve. I think positive thinking goes a long way. I think there are far to many scientists and doctors within this forum. I think Prince would agree with me on that one Last edited by Randy : 12-26-2003 at 04:23 PM.
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12-26-2003, 05:05 PM	#41
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	I did read that. Then you went on to talk about people reaching their peak performance. I appologize if I misunderstood, but it still sounded as though you believe you can change the shape of your muscle by lifting weights. If you've been working out for 2 years, you probably havent reached your full potential...I agree. But the shape of your muscle is still there. Perhaps you could argue that people have a peak and don't know it because their bodyfat is extremely high and hiding the muscle. Otherwise, it still sounds like you think that peak could come out with time and training. Not picking a fight...just trying to pass on some info. Last edited by Var : 12-26-2003 at 05:20 PM.

12-26-2003, 05:09 PM	#43
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	Hard to tell by that pic. Looks like their may be some fat hiding the muscles definition. I could be wrong...just can't tell by the pic. Could have a peak under there which will show with lower bf.

12-26-2003, 05:22 PM	#44
supertech American BadAss Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,968	sorry about the quality of the pic all i got is a web cam. And I do have alot of body fat.Trying to cut down and build muscle at the same time.

12-26-2003, 05:25 PM	#46
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	Dont let the issue of having, or not having, a bicep peak deter you in any way. I would LOVE to have a peak, but I dont. Doesnt mean I can't still build a great physique. Just keep at it and utilize the people on this board when you have questions. You'll find LOTS of useful feedback!

12-26-2003, 05:39 PM	#51
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	No, I think you are getting ridicuoulous Var. Your rambling on and not making any point. Mine again was that I believe your muscle shape and peak is dictated by genetics. But that shape and peak may not be fully unveiled and displayed until you reach your full potential. Then you start talking about not getting discouraged that you can have a nice physique with or without a peak and that you can call upon the people within the forum for questions.. ??? It seems you just want to ramble about information that is not revelent to the topic... And I am being ridiculous?
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