when you go down in a lift from the last time, does that mean overtraining?

**OmarJackson** · 01-08-2004, 07:46 AM

When I did bench last week my best set was 205x5 (don't laugh, long arms) anyway, when i tried again yesterday i thought i would be able to get at least 205x5 again but i was only able to get 4, so i blamed it on my concentration, rested about 4 minutes and attempted it again. this time i only got THREE! is this a sign that i am overtraining, or is it that you just simply can't tell from one workout.

by the way, i have been following a split where i do

back/shoulders
x
chest/arms
legs
x

**Mudge** · 01-08-2004, 08:27 AM

Sometimes yes, overtaxation of the CNS or could be a variety of things.

**OmarJackson** · 01-08-2004, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Mudge
Sometimes yes, overtaxation of the CNS or could be a variety of things.

does your CNS generally take longer or shorter than your muscles to completly recover after an intense workout? (most sets are taken to failure)

**TheGreatSatan** · 01-08-2004, 08:30 AM

No need to comment. Mudge nailed it.

**SJ69** · 01-08-2004, 09:09 AM

This happens to me sometimes also.
For me the most common cause of inconsistancy is inconsistant energy levels.
I bet if you took two Stackers a half hr before you would have gotten 6 reps.
Energy levels could be effected by what you ate (or didn't), time of day, general mood or even overtraining. Although I wouldn't lower my workout volume and risk further losses unless I was certain overtraining was the culprit.

**SJ69** · 01-08-2004, 09:12 AM

Also it could still be concentration. Lifting is as big of a head game as golf. Once you start to overthink it, you blow it. If I miss a max i don't even try again that day, it just f@#ks with my head too much, I'd never get it after missing it.

**Mudge** · 01-08-2004, 10:30 AM

Here is some interesting stuff:

http://www.oandp.org/jpo/library/1989_01_003.asp

Excessive Stimulation of Muscle
Until closed-loop feedback control is developed with respect to timing of events in the gait cycle, overtaxation of muscles will be a major contributing factor to muscle fatigue. Openloop stimulation is a one-way delivery of electrical signals from a stimulator to a muscle. An open-loop stimulator is unable to turn on and turn off muscle contractions at precisely the right moment during the gait cycle; nor can it exactly balance the body against gravity or efficiently propel it forward because information about forces and moments are not sent to the computer. For example, in normal walking the quadriceps are active during the first 15% of stance, but they are inactive in the remaining 30%; thus, the duty cycle for the quadriceps in stance phase is 33%.22 In FES open-loop walking, the duty cycle for the quadriceps may be as high as 75%-100% of stance phase.

In closed-loop stimulation, information about the condition of the body during standing or walking is taken from sensors mounted on the body and processed in the computer so that the muscles may be made to respond more appropriately to the environment and to perturbations. Closed-loop feedback control constantly analyzes the body much in the same way that the nervous system monitors the musculoskeletal system, i.e., proprioception, tendon-stretch reflex, and attempts to safely lower stimulation levels to the minimum necessary.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/th/tharchi...h/battery.html

**seabee** · 01-08-2004, 03:54 PM

How much do you warm up before attempting the lift? Too much, and you don't have enough left for the lift.

**ZECH** · 01-08-2004, 04:33 PM

Like Mudge said, several factors are involved. How much you've had to eat(carbs), help. Energy, sleep and mood are involved also.

**Mudge** · 01-08-2004, 08:03 PM

You may need to limit your useage of those 5x5 style routines. One thing I liked about HST for example was the cycling of reps, because I know for myself also I can only go so long lifting in the 5 rep range before it starts to do something to me where I may well lose strength also. For most lifts I will stay in the probably 6-9 or so range for things like chest/back.

**OmarJackson** · 01-08-2004, 08:46 PM

thanks for the replys guys.

As stated it could have been mental, i didn't have a spotter when i failed on that specific lift and maybe subconciously i was a little scared of handeling that weight without one.

anyway i don't suppose it really had so much to do with my nutrition or rest (both are pretty good). I think it was due to my split because i would be doing heavy BB military press and then 2 days later I would be attempting heavy bench. It worked for me for a while, but now i think my shoulders are beginning to take the toll. Anyway, i'm probably gonna take off a week from trianing and then start a more traditional split.

thanks.

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