TP's Ultimate Training 3.0?

Twin Peak · 01-12-2004, 09:15 AM

I posted this on my home board, but there are several here who would make good candidates, so here goes:

Ladies and Gentleman. I was reading up this weekend on a few different training theories (HST, Dual Factor, and others) and I had an epiphony. Well sort of. Throughout the years, I have tried many-a-different-a-routine. Most left me unsatisfied; many I just didn't like. I have tried several of my own conconcotions, or derivations of other plans, and only one has consistently produced the best results both for myself and for many others who I have trained with (I have discussed this many times).

Anyhow, the point is, this weekend, it hit me -- or at least I think it did -- what all these programs are missing. I think it was the name "dual factor", though not its principals, that brought this into focus. Indeed, it made me realize that all of these programs generally focus on (and require progression of) only one or two of what are the three fundamental principles to growth:

* volume
* intensity
* frequency

So, I have been formulating a plan that is really combination of several of the many plans I have tried (or put together) over the years, but have never done in unisen. So since I am not going to tell you all the plan now, what is the point of this thread? I am looking for those interested in testing, and perhaps causing me to tweak, the plan.

What are the parameters? One full Cycle (yep I love cycles) will be about 13 weeks; so that will be the length of your commitment. The goal is, simply, hypertrophy. Recomposition is/can be a goal as well, and I will likely have some dieting parameters and requirements as well (it will combine many aspects of Carb Cycling).

I am hoping to get 4-5 people interested. Relevant candidates will be:

* people whom I know, at least marginally (total strangers need not apply -- sorry);
* well trained individuals (experienced, not beginners, who know their bodies);
* anal retentive folks (this will require attention to details, logs, etc);
* Must workout out in a gym (home gyms, except the most sophisticated won't have sufficient equipment);
* flexability (in terms of the numbers of days one can train, and in terms of personality);
* Ability to follow the plan to a tee (and not do extra work on your own);
* Consistency (this is critical, no derivations, for at least 13 weeks);
* Health (no injury laden folks -- like myself -- please);
* Bulkers or Recompers only -- no dieters (this will be good for dieters, but its not an ideal testing situation for me);
* Confidentiality (this program, and the details, will be confidential, until I deem them otherwise);
* those with a sense of adventure (this will be unlike anything you have ever tried before).

Email me at twinpeak@avantlabs.com if interested.

Thanks for listening.

Monolith · 01-12-2004, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
epiphany

Fixed for ya

Rude, i know, but i thought i'd take this rare opportunity to correct you on something.

Your training proposal sounds very intriguing, though. I wish i was knowledgable enough to give it a shot. Definitely looking forward to the results.

Your testers gonna keep public logs? Or will it all be private?

Twin Peak · 01-12-2004, 11:49 AM

Nah, I make typos all the time. My spelling sucks too.

Yeah, I'll have them keep public journals, but for obvious reasons, there won't be the details you'd desire.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-12-2004, 12:09 PM

When are you looking to start the trial runs? If it were a month or so away I would be interested at running it at maintenance. Gained too much chub during my bulk so I need a few weeks at below maintenance to lean out a bit.

HoldDaMayo · 01-12-2004, 12:22 PM

I don't know if I'm a good candidate... I am looking for a new training program... I am just about to finish a cut... I've been working out for only around a year... only about 8 months really consistently... I have good discipline when it comes to diet... I have very good sleep habits, and I'm open to train as much as required...

Here's are 3 recent pics:

http://www.sharemation.com/holddamayo/BackLat.JPG
http://www.sharemation.com/holddamayo/abs.jpg
http://www.sharemation.com/holddamayo/sidearm.JPG

I would be interested in starting this program at the beginning of a bulking cycle... I have a trip to hawaii in July and I would like to spend the next few months bulking and then moderate cut for 2 months before the trip...

Twin Peak · 01-12-2004, 12:24 PM

Dale, let me know when you are getting ready.

HDM, let me think on it.

bludevil · 01-12-2004, 12:58 PM

I'm definately interested. I'll be coming off a cutting routine in 3 weeks and was looking for a hyperthrophty routine to last me till the spring.
1. Been lifting consistent for 31/2 years
2. Have kept personal logs of all diet and training routines for last 2 years (so that's not a problem).
3. My job has a gym onsite. Get to workout for free.
4. Cannot lift on weekends since I'm not at work (may knock me out of running.)
5. Looking to bulk
6. Healthy
7. I do play recreational basketball. ( 1 to 2 games a week)

Twin Peak · 01-13-2004, 07:04 AM

I will need before and after pictures taken. Whether they are shown publicly is up to you.

I will need full disclosure of who you are. Real people only please; so I will need name, address, and phone numbers of all testers. This info will be kept highly confidential, obviously. If this disqualifies you, I understand.

Potential Testers So Far:

Section 8 (Avant)
Loki (Avant)
Prolangtum (Avant)
Redant (Avant)
Captain Deadlift
Dale Mabry (to start in a month)

Please confirm today, with your relevant contact info, whether you are in or out (this includes those who are interested but not listed above). Finally, I will set up a private subforum for you all to journal this in detail, and interact, on Avant. Only testers and members of the Avant family will be able to view this. If you want to do a more public, less detailed journal here you are more than welcome.

Also, please find out strength maxs this week. I don't care if its singles or not, just get a baseline on strength of several different exercises.

Also, this weekend, take measurements:

* stomach (around naval)
* right and left upper arm, flexed
* Quad
* Neck
* BW
* BF caliper measurements (if you have access)
* BF% (if possible)

Thanks.

**P-funk** · 01-13-2004, 11:32 AM

Sounds interesting TP, wish i could participate.

Twin Peak · 01-13-2004, 11:34 AM

Why can't you?

**P-funk** · 01-13-2004, 11:36 AM

Because I am just getting ready to start my pre-contest training so I wouldn't be able to focus on your program as much as I'd like to. I am good for this type of stuff becasue I am really anal about all my training details and keep everything in a journal which, I imagine, would help you out imensly.

FortifiedIron · 01-13-2004, 04:58 PM

Your missing out on Density

Density is a big factor wich refers to the amount of work done in a specific amount of time.

How are you going to do the load and deloading phases?

Kc

Monolith · 01-13-2004, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FortifiedIron
Your missing out on Density

Density is a big factor wich refers to the amount of work done in a specific amount of time.

How are you going to do the load and deloading phases?

Kc

Doesnt varying volume and intensity cover your definition of density?

**Mudge** · 01-13-2004, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I was reading up this weekend on a few different training theories (HST, Dual Factor, and others) and I had an epiphony.

I thought I had one today, then discovered I was just almost out of TP

camarosuper6 · 01-13-2004, 10:07 PM

I would love to give this a go-round, although I dont know you too well and my webcam is only good for video stream, as taking pics for some reason doesnt work on my computer.

If you would allow me, I would be interested, but since youve already got plenty of canidates who you know much better, I would love to wait, and try it for myself when all the smoke has cleared

**Mudge** · 01-13-2004, 10:35 PM

Camaro, you can usually freeze the screen capture in the software or try PRINTSCREEN (key), then Start > Run > MSPAINT and then Edit > Paste from there.

FortifiedIron · 01-13-2004, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Doesnt varying volume and intensity cover your definition of density?

By density its reffered to mainly fatigue.

Increasing and decreasing rest periods, super setting, drop sets..etc

but the key is using them correctly.

Volume and Intensity are a big part of it, but the huge part is frequency and managing loading and deloading.

Without properly doing this you will not recieve results to your potential.

Thats why im wondering how he is going to do this. I've studied periodization for years on all levels. Im also familar with the Fitness Fatigue and Single factor models.

Kc

Twin Peak · 01-14-2004, 08:07 AM

I am not going to tell you that. Not now, anyway.

Monolith · 01-14-2004, 10:56 AM

This is beginning to feel like the hype surrounding Dean Kamen's "IT" back in 2001... everyone wanted to know what this thing was he invented, but he wouldnt tell anyone.

Four months is so long to wait.

Twin Peak · 01-14-2004, 11:39 AM

Perfection is a bitch, I know.

FortifiedIron · 01-14-2004, 03:09 PM

To each his own TP.

I dont train for hypertrophy nor care too really.

The thing is if you dont understand how to manage the loading then the consequences can be stagnation quickly, overtraining or partial results.

Kc

camarosuper6 · 01-14-2004, 08:09 PM

Thanks Mudge, Ill see if that works. My photoshop has been giving me errors for quite a while, and I cant take photos on my pc anymore.

Ill let ya know

01-12-2004, 09:15 AM	#1
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	TP's Ultimate Training 3.0? I posted this on my home board, but there are several here who would make good candidates, so here goes: Ladies and Gentleman. I was reading up this weekend on a few different training theories (HST, Dual Factor, and others) and I had an epiphony. Well sort of. Throughout the years, I have tried many-a-different-a-routine. Most left me unsatisfied; many I just didn't like. I have tried several of my own conconcotions, or derivations of other plans, and only one has consistently produced the best results both for myself and for many others who I have trained with (I have discussed this many times). Anyhow, the point is, this weekend, it hit me -- or at least I think it did -- what all these programs are missing. I think it was the name "dual factor", though not its principals, that brought this into focus. Indeed, it made me realize that all of these programs generally focus on (and require progression of) only one or two of what are the three fundamental principles to growth: * volume * intensity * frequency So, I have been formulating a plan that is really combination of several of the many plans I have tried (or put together) over the years, but have never done in unisen. So since I am not going to tell you all the plan now, what is the point of this thread? I am looking for those interested in testing, and perhaps causing me to tweak, the plan. What are the parameters? One full Cycle (yep I love cycles) will be about 13 weeks; so that will be the length of your commitment. The goal is, simply, hypertrophy. Recomposition is/can be a goal as well, and I will likely have some dieting parameters and requirements as well (it will combine many aspects of Carb Cycling). I am hoping to get 4-5 people interested. Relevant candidates will be: * people whom I know, at least marginally (total strangers need not apply -- sorry); * well trained individuals (experienced, not beginners, who know their bodies); * anal retentive folks (this will require attention to details, logs, etc); * Must workout out in a gym (home gyms, except the most sophisticated won't have sufficient equipment); * flexability (in terms of the numbers of days one can train, and in terms of personality); * Ability to follow the plan to a tee (and not do extra work on your own); * Consistency (this is critical, no derivations, for at least 13 weeks); * Health (no injury laden folks -- like myself -- please); * Bulkers or Recompers only -- no dieters (this will be good for dieters, but its not an ideal testing situation for me); * Confidentiality (this program, and the details, will be confidential, until I deem them otherwise); * those with a sense of adventure (this will be unlike anything you have ever tried before). Email me at twinpeak@avantlabs.com if interested. Thanks for listening.
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01-12-2004, 11:49 AM	#3
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Nah, I make typos all the time. My spelling sucks too. Yeah, I'll have them keep public journals, but for obvious reasons, there won't be the details you'd desire.
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01-12-2004, 12:09 PM	#4
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,844 Photos: 10	When are you looking to start the trial runs? If it were a month or so away I would be interested at running it at maintenance. Gained too much chub during my bulk so I need a few weeks at below maintenance to lean out a bit.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

01-12-2004, 12:22 PM	#5
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	I don't know if I'm a good candidate... I am looking for a new training program... I am just about to finish a cut... I've been working out for only around a year... only about 8 months really consistently... I have good discipline when it comes to diet... I have very good sleep habits, and I'm open to train as much as required... Here's are 3 recent pics: http://www.sharemation.com/holddamayo/BackLat.JPG http://www.sharemation.com/holddamayo/abs.jpg http://www.sharemation.com/holddamayo/sidearm.JPG I would be interested in starting this program at the beginning of a bulking cycle... I have a trip to hawaii in July and I would like to spend the next few months bulking and then moderate cut for 2 months before the trip...
	Are you kidding me????

01-12-2004, 12:24 PM	#6
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Dale, let me know when you are getting ready. HDM, let me think on it.
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01-12-2004, 12:58 PM	#7
bludevil To God be the Glory Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WeightRoom Posts: 1,567 Photos: 25	I'm definately interested. I'll be coming off a cutting routine in 3 weeks and was looking for a hyperthrophty routine to last me till the spring. 1. Been lifting consistent for 31/2 years 2. Have kept personal logs of all diet and training routines for last 2 years (so that's not a problem). 3. My job has a gym onsite. Get to workout for free. 4. Cannot lift on weekends since I'm not at work (may knock me out of running.) 5. Looking to bulk 6. Healthy 7. I do play recreational basketball. ( 1 to 2 games a week)
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01-13-2004, 07:04 AM	#8
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I will need before and after pictures taken. Whether they are shown publicly is up to you. I will need full disclosure of who you are. Real people only please; so I will need name, address, and phone numbers of all testers. This info will be kept highly confidential, obviously. If this disqualifies you, I understand. Potential Testers So Far: Section 8 (Avant) Loki (Avant) Prolangtum (Avant) Redant (Avant) Captain Deadlift Dale Mabry (to start in a month) Please confirm today, with your relevant contact info, whether you are in or out (this includes those who are interested but not listed above). Finally, I will set up a private subforum for you all to journal this in detail, and interact, on Avant. Only testers and members of the Avant family will be able to view this. If you want to do a more public, less detailed journal here you are more than welcome. Also, please find out strength maxs this week. I don't care if its singles or not, just get a baseline on strength of several different exercises. Also, this weekend, take measurements: * stomach (around naval) * right and left upper arm, flexed * Quad * Neck * BW * BF caliper measurements (if you have access) * BF% (if possible) Thanks.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

01-13-2004, 11:32 AM	#9
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,432	Sounds interesting TP, wish i could participate.
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01-13-2004, 11:34 AM	#10
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Why can't you?
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01-13-2004, 11:36 AM	#11
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,432	Because I am just getting ready to start my pre-contest training so I wouldn't be able to focus on your program as much as I'd like to. I am good for this type of stuff becasue I am really anal about all my training details and keep everything in a journal which, I imagine, would help you out imensly.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

01-13-2004, 04:58 PM	#12
FortifiedIron Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 144	Your missing out on Density Density is a big factor wich refers to the amount of work done in a specific amount of time. How are you going to do the load and deloading phases? Kc
	Http://www.FortifiedIron.com RKM Training Solutions, LLC l Per Ferrum, as Astra-Mel Siff

01-13-2004, 10:07 PM	#15
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,344	I would love to give this a go-round, although I dont know you too well and my webcam is only good for video stream, as taking pics for some reason doesnt work on my computer. If you would allow me, I would be interested, but since youve already got plenty of canidates who you know much better, I would love to wait, and try it for myself when all the smoke has cleared
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01-13-2004, 10:35 PM	#16
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Camaro, you can usually freeze the screen capture in the software or try PRINTSCREEN (key), then Start > Run > MSPAINT and then Edit > Paste from there.
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01-14-2004, 08:07 AM	#18
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I am not going to tell you that. Not now, anyway.
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01-14-2004, 10:56 AM	#19
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	This is beginning to feel like the hype surrounding Dean Kamen's "IT" back in 2001... everyone wanted to know what this thing was he invented, but he wouldnt tell anyone. Four months is so long to wait.
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01-14-2004, 11:39 AM	#20
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Perfection is a bitch, I know.
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01-14-2004, 03:09 PM	#21
FortifiedIron Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 144	To each his own TP. I dont train for hypertrophy nor care too really. The thing is if you dont understand how to manage the loading then the consequences can be stagnation quickly, overtraining or partial results. Kc
	Http://www.FortifiedIron.com RKM Training Solutions, LLC l Per Ferrum, as Astra-Mel Siff

01-14-2004, 08:09 PM	#22
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,344	Thanks Mudge, Ill see if that works. My photoshop has been giving me errors for quite a while, and I cant take photos on my pc anymore. Ill let ya know
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