Marijuana and Bodybuilding: The Truth

**CowPimp** · 01-20-2004, 12:50 PM

Another reason marijuana is legal is because of the company Dupont. Many years ago, around the time it became illegal, they lobbied heavily to get marijuana made illegal. Why? Because Dupont was, and probably still is, a large supplier of nylon rope. In particular, they supplied rope for the US military. Hemp rope is a superior product. Dupont wanted to eliminate the competition.

There are several other reasons. This is just one that I found very interesting when I did a reserach paper on whether or not marijuana should be decriminalized.

**I Are Baboon** · 01-20-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
damn, what college did you go to?

The people I hung out with never used it either. It's not like I have gone out of my way to avoid it, the opportunity just never presented itself.

Alcohol was my drug of choice.

I went to a state college, lived with at home with my mom and commuted to school, and I worked three jobs to pay my own tuition. My family has no money. I didn't enjoy "college life" like most students get to, but now I reap the rewards on my hard work.

Randy · 01-20-2004, 01:33 PM

I agree that GR's article is full of very interesting information....I do not agree with the later paragraph. It implies that being high on marijuana does not impair your learning. Personally I disagree with that one. First off, long-term smoking severely affects your motivation.. When I say that, I am not talking about statistics I am talking about my own experience as well as others. There was a period in my high school years where I went from an A student (Clean and not smoking weed) to C's and D's (smoking weed consistently). When I was high, I was like in another world. I could not retain information from lectures or most other means. In addition my attention span was very low and motivation levels minimal. All I cared about was partying. But again, just prior to this while clean I was a straight A student and very interested and motivated in school and learning. Well anyway, after realizing I was having a problem I slowly faded away from the weed scene. I stopped smoking weed at school first off, and guess what? My grades returned back to A's. Now I know this was not just a coincidence. And believe me, I was one of those marijuana supporters at that time too. But until I could uncloud my brain with that bullshit could I really see the picture.
I have had many acquaintances who where undergoing the same situation... I did know a few however, who unbelievably could learn and focus while high with no problem. But only a very few that I knew could do that. So I know it does affect people differently. But I do know a lot of people who could definitely vouch for the fact that being high on marijuana will absolutely impact your learning and motivation skills.

The funny thing is that my marijuana use started with just a bong hit or two before bed as a relaxation aid. Slowly it started to work its way into my life until it severely affected it. Now when I look at people who are high, I guess it reminds me of my partying days and how irresponsible it made me. To each there own though. Nobody can convince another individual against something... They have to convince themselves. Well it's now been at least 15 years since I smoked weed. And I surely would never smoke it while bodybuilding. Well didn't mean to bore you all with my story, but I just wanted to be real.

Flex · 01-20-2004, 01:53 PM

well, alls i know is, me and my buddies, and all the "druggies" in my town started with weed. once that wasnt enough anymore, they moved on to shrooms, coke, E, dust, meth and everything else that isnt caused by this "non-gateway" drug.

being a former smoker myself, i def. say its a gateway drug.

Randy · 01-20-2004, 02:15 PM

Yep Flex.... All those you named brings back memories

Did a few shrooms in my days.... (powerful damn things)

I took them after the non-gateway drug "Marijuana" too. But don't tell anyone

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 02:23 PM

b/c you smoked weed, that is not THE REASON you did other drugs. you did other drugs b/c you have adddiction in your genes and thats what addicts do. Weed is just where you started. If you never smoked weed, you think you would have never done any other drug? give me a break. Hey Flex I am in the same boat as you man, trust me. I started smoking weed when I was in like 7th grade. I have abused almost every drug in teh book, I used to pop Ebomb like it was candy, 6-7 at a time n shit. I used to eat shrooms by the ounce. I have abused ephedrine, I have abused anabolic steroids, I am currently in the midst of abusing oxycottin. I have probably done drugs that you never even heard of, and I tell you none of it was b/c I started smoking weed. The weed smoking was a by product of the addcit behavior, not visa versa.

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 02:26 PM

by the way, people say that marijuana has estrogenic proporties, yet it doesn't aromatoze into the specific chain of estrogen necessary to make a difference withe your bodybuilding.

Randy · 01-20-2004, 02:26 PM

GR,

I have heard this time and time again from weed smokers..
It is the most bullshit I have ever heard. But you go ahead believing that story... (Addiction in our genes)

Give me a break... If that is the case, there sure is a damn lot of addicts in this world that just by coicidence happen to smoke marijuana

And Yes, I believe that if I had never started smoking marijuana that I would not have tried other drugs. The marijuana was the stepping stone my friend.

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Originally posted by gr81
b/c you smoked weed, that is not THE REASON you did other drugs. you did other drugs b/c you have adddiction in your genes and thats what addicts do. Weed is just where you started. If you never smoked weed, you think you would have never done any other drug? give me a break. Hey Flex I am in the same boat as you man, trust me. I started smoking weed when I was in like 7th grade. I have abused almost every drug in teh book, I used to pop Ebomb like it was candy, 6-7 at a time n shit. I used to eat shrooms by the ounce. I have abused ephedrine, I have abused anabolic steroids, I am currently in the midst of abusing oxycottin. I have probably done drugs that you never even heard of, and I tell you none of it was b/c I started smoking weed. The weed smoking was a by product of the addcit behavior, not visa versa.

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 02:29 PM

dude, addiction is very real and yes most people are addicts. Whether or not everyone acts on their addiction is another story. You can believe what you want, I am tired of arguing with people when they have one knowledge of the subject, which you obviously don't if you think that the addiction genes is a fallacy. I tell you what, go ahead and read and read and read, and once you have read as much as I have on teh subject, then you can comment. Until then, believe what you want.

Randy · 01-20-2004, 02:31 PM

GR... all I got to say is you must be high now

Maybe you should take another hit

I am not saying that addiction genes do not exist... You are trying to blow this topic out of proportion here... GR, we are talking about marijuana influincing one to try other drugs, hence gateway. Who is talking about addiction? Where in the hell are you coming up with that. We are talking about experimentation.
So where in the hell is "gene addition" coming from... Dude, you are way out there man. Take another hit.

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 02:34 PM

yeah I am high now. you gonna pass dat shit or what......

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 02:34 PM

**CowPimp** · 01-20-2004, 02:50 PM

I think there are a few reasons that people consider marijuana a gateway drug:

One, people who smoke marijuana are more likely to try other things simply because that is the type of person they are. They are more willing to experiment and try more things. They are less concerned with what laws and governments have to say about the situation (Even though marijuana is legal in several countries, decriminalized in many more, and illegal but unenforced in many more beyond that).

Two, marijuana is easier to get than any other illegal drug. If you hang out with a lot of people who smoke weed, then you may eventually meet people who sell marijuana in addition to other drugs. Marijuana helps people gain access to the "counter-culture." Without that access, it simply isn't possible to purchase other illegal drugs.

Three, because marijuana is less dangerous than most drugs, that is one of the first things people try. However, people fail to mention that A LOT of people smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol before they ever smoke pot. All drugs are gateway drugs; many people try one and naturally become curious about others.

tomas101 · 01-20-2004, 03:17 PM

i did shrooms b4 weed,and i did extasy on my 18th birthday b/c i was wanted to do it out of curiosity and seeing girls become horny whores on it made me wanna try it even more...so that must make it a gateway drug..

Flex · 01-20-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by gr81
If you never smoked weed, you think you would have never done any other drug? give me a break.

YES.

but then weed wasnt enough anymore. so i tried drinking. drinking was fun, but then i tried other shit. and no, i dont have addiction in my genes. i have never been addicted to anything (except maybe for my new found drug:steroids). i dont smoke anymore, and i barely drink anymore.
i never get addicted urges ljike people addicted to cigarettes/drugs. i say fuck it, i dont wanna drjink.

and on top of it, the only best friend i have (there's 7 of us that i'd consider all best friends) that has NEVER smoked weed, has NEVER tried ANY other drug................go figure......................

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 04:14 PM

that doesn't really mean anything. There are millions of people that are all different and for some of them, maybe marijuana led them to harder drugs. All I can say is that is not what it does. Like Cowpimp said and he made a great point, alcohol and tobacco are much bigger gateway drugs than weed in this country, it is just OK to do those ones. Obviously teh guy that doesn't try drugs has a stronger conviction than the rest of you. If he did smoke a bowl his life wouldn't go spiraling out of control in a drug induced frenzy b/c of it. If it wasn't teh weed it would've been something else.

PS. by the way Flex, how you doin buddy. pretty excited I imagine with all the patriots fanaticism goin on over there!? In my own defense I knew they were gonna beat the colts, I was just going for the long shot, that all. ha ha. GO pats

**P-funk** · 01-20-2004, 04:19 PM

creatine.............the gateway drug (for bodybuilders).......lol

gr81 · 01-20-2004, 04:23 PM

ha ha. thats hella funny P.

Randy · 01-20-2004, 05:14 PM

Yes, creatine is the gateway to steroids....(Just kidding of course).

No seriously GR you say that tobacco and alcohol can be gateways to other drugs. Well your right! I suppose they can.
Anything that alters the way you feel can lead to other things. Like it was mentioned, you try one thing, you like the way it makes you feel, and after awhile it is not enough so you try other things. But if you didn't get envolved with these drugs to begin with, chances are you wouldn't be trying other drugs period.

Ralphie · 01-21-2004, 12:03 AM

I think I may have mentioned it earlier as well, but just to reitterate. Weed is more socially accepted than any other illicit drug, it also has the biggest usage... and its the easiest to find.. I'm willing to bet that if we replaced coke with weed, everyone would say that coke was a gateway drug...

Randy · 01-21-2004, 12:11 AM

Ralphie,

Sometimes studies aren't always needed... In some case simple common sense works...

But everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Hell, I don't smoke that crap anyway, and surely don't care if you smoke it. You can smoke your brains out, and if it never entices you to try other drugs, that is great!

Ralphie · 01-21-2004, 07:40 AM

I don't smoke weed, in fact I dislike weed very much.
By this I mean I dislike the high I get from it.
ITs not very pleasureable to me.

Many cases simple common sense works?
Come now, don't be a soccer mom!

Flex · 01-21-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by gr81
If he did smoke a bowl his life wouldn't go spiraling out of control in a drug induced frenzy b/c of it.

PS. by the way Flex, how you doin buddy. pretty excited I imagine with all the patriots fanaticism goin on over there!? In my own defense I knew they were gonna beat the colts, I was just going for the long shot, that all. ha ha. GO pats

i didnt say if you smoke weed, you'll def. do other drugs. there is no right/wrong answer. IMO, weed is a gateway drug. you are nervous, you try it, its no biggie, you love it, you get used to it, its not enough. so boom, you wanna try another drug.......thats all bro

p.s. i'm doin well bro, thanks. still a small lump, but hopefully it'll go away haha. ya, shit is pretty crazy in Patriotland over here. I've been getting into big fights w/my non-Pat-fan buddies cuz they still dont give the Pats respect (like i wrote in that post). oh well, 2 superbowls in 3 years is pretty good if you ask me

01-20-2004, 01:33 PM	#63
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I agree that GR's article is full of very interesting information....I do not agree with the later paragraph. It implies that being high on marijuana does not impair your learning. Personally I disagree with that one. First off, long-term smoking severely affects your motivation.. When I say that, I am not talking about statistics I am talking about my own experience as well as others. There was a period in my high school years where I went from an A student (Clean and not smoking weed) to C's and D's (smoking weed consistently). When I was high, I was like in another world. I could not retain information from lectures or most other means. In addition my attention span was very low and motivation levels minimal. All I cared about was partying. But again, just prior to this while clean I was a straight A student and very interested and motivated in school and learning. Well anyway, after realizing I was having a problem I slowly faded away from the weed scene. I stopped smoking weed at school first off, and guess what? My grades returned back to A's. Now I know this was not just a coincidence. And believe me, I was one of those marijuana supporters at that time too. But until I could uncloud my brain with that bullshit could I really see the picture. I have had many acquaintances who where undergoing the same situation... I did know a few however, who unbelievably could learn and focus while high with no problem. But only a very few that I knew could do that. So I know it does affect people differently. But I do know a lot of people who could definitely vouch for the fact that being high on marijuana will absolutely impact your learning and motivation skills. The funny thing is that my marijuana use started with just a bong hit or two before bed as a relaxation aid. Slowly it started to work its way into my life until it severely affected it. Now when I look at people who are high, I guess it reminds me of my partying days and how irresponsible it made me. To each there own though. Nobody can convince another individual against something... They have to convince themselves. Well it's now been at least 15 years since I smoked weed. And I surely would never smoke it while bodybuilding. Well didn't mean to bore you all with my story, but I just wanted to be real.
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Flex FLEXecutioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pomping Iyuhn Posts: 6,278 Photos: 2	well, alls i know is, me and my buddies, and all the "druggies" in my town started with weed. once that wasnt enough anymore, they moved on to shrooms, coke, E, dust, meth and everything else that isnt caused by this "non-gateway" drug. being a former smoker myself, i def. say its a gateway drug.
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01-20-2004, 02:15 PM	#65
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Yep Flex.... All those you named brings back memories Did a few shrooms in my days.... (powerful damn things) I took them after the non-gateway drug "Marijuana" too. But don't tell anyone
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01-20-2004, 02:23 PM	#66
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	b/c you smoked weed, that is not THE REASON you did other drugs. you did other drugs b/c you have adddiction in your genes and thats what addicts do. Weed is just where you started. If you never smoked weed, you think you would have never done any other drug? give me a break. Hey Flex I am in the same boat as you man, trust me. I started smoking weed when I was in like 7th grade. I have abused almost every drug in teh book, I used to pop Ebomb like it was candy, 6-7 at a time n shit. I used to eat shrooms by the ounce. I have abused ephedrine, I have abused anabolic steroids, I am currently in the midst of abusing oxycottin. I have probably done drugs that you never even heard of, and I tell you none of it was b/c I started smoking weed. The weed smoking was a by product of the addcit behavior, not visa versa.
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01-20-2004, 02:26 PM	#67
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	by the way, people say that marijuana has estrogenic proporties, yet it doesn't aromatoze into the specific chain of estrogen necessary to make a difference withe your bodybuilding.
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01-20-2004, 12:50 PM	#61
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	Another reason marijuana is legal is because of the company Dupont. Many years ago, around the time it became illegal, they lobbied heavily to get marijuana made illegal. Why? Because Dupont was, and probably still is, a large supplier of nylon rope. In particular, they supplied rope for the US military. Hemp rope is a superior product. Dupont wanted to eliminate the competition. There are several other reasons. This is just one that I found very interesting when I did a reserach paper on whether or not marijuana should be decriminalized.

01-20-2004, 02:29 PM	#69
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	dude, addiction is very real and yes most people are addicts. Whether or not everyone acts on their addiction is another story. You can believe what you want, I am tired of arguing with people when they have one knowledge of the subject, which you obviously don't if you think that the addiction genes is a fallacy. I tell you what, go ahead and read and read and read, and once you have read as much as I have on teh subject, then you can comment. Until then, believe what you want.
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01-20-2004, 02:31 PM	#70
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	GR... all I got to say is you must be high now Maybe you should take another hit I am not saying that addiction genes do not exist... You are trying to blow this topic out of proportion here... GR, we are talking about marijuana influincing one to try other drugs, hence gateway. Who is talking about addiction? Where in the hell are you coming up with that. We are talking about experimentation. So where in the hell is "gene addition" coming from... Dude, you are way out there man. Take another hit.
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01-20-2004, 02:34 PM	#71
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	yeah I am high now. you gonna pass dat shit or what......
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01-20-2004, 02:50 PM	#73
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	I think there are a few reasons that people consider marijuana a gateway drug: One, people who smoke marijuana are more likely to try other things simply because that is the type of person they are. They are more willing to experiment and try more things. They are less concerned with what laws and governments have to say about the situation (Even though marijuana is legal in several countries, decriminalized in many more, and illegal but unenforced in many more beyond that). Two, marijuana is easier to get than any other illegal drug. If you hang out with a lot of people who smoke weed, then you may eventually meet people who sell marijuana in addition to other drugs. Marijuana helps people gain access to the "counter-culture." Without that access, it simply isn't possible to purchase other illegal drugs. Three, because marijuana is less dangerous than most drugs, that is one of the first things people try. However, people fail to mention that A LOT of people smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol before they ever smoke pot. All drugs are gateway drugs; many people try one and naturally become curious about others.

01-20-2004, 03:17 PM	#74
tomas101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 602	i did shrooms b4 weed,and i did extasy on my 18th birthday b/c i was wanted to do it out of curiosity and seeing girls become horny whores on it made me wanna try it even more...so that must make it a gateway drug..
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01-20-2004, 04:14 PM	#76
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	that doesn't really mean anything. There are millions of people that are all different and for some of them, maybe marijuana led them to harder drugs. All I can say is that is not what it does. Like Cowpimp said and he made a great point, alcohol and tobacco are much bigger gateway drugs than weed in this country, it is just OK to do those ones. Obviously teh guy that doesn't try drugs has a stronger conviction than the rest of you. If he did smoke a bowl his life wouldn't go spiraling out of control in a drug induced frenzy b/c of it. If it wasn't teh weed it would've been something else. PS. by the way Flex, how you doin buddy. pretty excited I imagine with all the patriots fanaticism goin on over there!? In my own defense I knew they were gonna beat the colts, I was just going for the long shot, that all. ha ha. GO pats
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01-20-2004, 04:19 PM	#77
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01-20-2004, 04:23 PM	#78
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	ha ha. thats hella funny P.
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01-20-2004, 05:14 PM	#79
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Yes, creatine is the gateway to steroids....(Just kidding of course). No seriously GR you say that tobacco and alcohol can be gateways to other drugs. Well your right! I suppose they can. Anything that alters the way you feel can lead to other things. Like it was mentioned, you try one thing, you like the way it makes you feel, and after awhile it is not enough so you try other things. But if you didn't get envolved with these drugs to begin with, chances are you wouldn't be trying other drugs period.
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01-21-2004, 12:03 AM	#80
Ralphie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston,TX U.S. Posts: 83	I think I may have mentioned it earlier as well, but just to reitterate. Weed is more socially accepted than any other illicit drug, it also has the biggest usage... and its the easiest to find.. I'm willing to bet that if we replaced coke with weed, everyone would say that coke was a gateway drug...

01-21-2004, 12:11 AM	#81
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Ralphie, Sometimes studies aren't always needed... In some case simple common sense works... But everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Hell, I don't smoke that crap anyway, and surely don't care if you smoke it. You can smoke your brains out, and if it never entices you to try other drugs, that is great!
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01-21-2004, 07:40 AM	#82
Ralphie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston,TX U.S. Posts: 83	I don't smoke weed, in fact I dislike weed very much. By this I mean I dislike the high I get from it. ITs not very pleasureable to me. Many cases simple common sense works? Come now, don't be a soccer mom!