Randy

Willis72,

There are 2 types of people in this world. Those that get to an age where they realize they better straighten up and jump on the right track, or the other who for some reason never realizes they're doing anything wrong until it is to late. I'm glad I fell into the first category .

Oh and Willus, didn't anyone tell you my sig has a trademark
But thanks for the compliment my friend.

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willus72

damn those trademarks. lol
and yes, i aggree with your comment 100%

Just a guy

who am i??



Randy... u use ALOT of smiley faces... heh.. ALOT... shits funny

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no offense tho... everyone takes offense to EVERYTHING i say... so i have to be more careful

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Randy

Just a guy,

No offense taken
Sometimes it is hard to express emotions in writing, so the smileys help
Just a style I have been accustomed too I guess

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kdwa1

Moderation with almost anything is cool but I stay away from the hard stuff.Smoking keeps my head space smooth.After all we do have a mental and spiritual body also.Gotta take care of the whole package.I also find a bit of Tequila with my smoke gives me an incredible high and feel great the next day.Of course I'm only talking a couple shots preferably in a sunrise or margarita.I say keep pumping and flying.Keep it all in perspective.Besides isn't it a bit boring being too jocky and strait. By the way I screwed up my hand from a fall last year so went to ER and got a very pleasent dose of morphine,not bad at all.Moderation of course.

Live Well- Live Long- Keep Rockin

Randy

You think being straight is being boring and to jocky
Now that is funny. I'm laughing so hard I feel like I smoked a joint

I guess someone should shoot me with some morphine.
As long as it's in moderation it should be ok

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CowPimp

There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who put people into categories, and those who don't...

Seriously though, it is ridiculous to try and split up the population into two polar categories. The world just isn't like that. There are also some people who continue to "go down the wrong track" while holding excellent jobs, having loving families, and living a long successful life. As well, there are those who "jump on the right track" and go between terrible jobs, have extreme family problems, and live depressing short lives. There are a million other categories I could put people into. You can't generalize like that.

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Randy

Cowpimp,

Go fire up a doobie for me too

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Ralphie

OmmmGggggg you obviously missed my point.
When I said Heroin was harmless to the body in actuality, I think you misunderstood me. No, I don't think, I know you did. Withdrawal symptoms, YES THOSE ARE BAD I AGREE. However, what I meant is that biologically Heroin is relatively harmless to the body. Also, when you speak of Heroin being dirty.. not clean.. etc.. thats because it is cut.. want to know why it is cut? Because the black market is not a great place for the exchaning of products... If heroin were legal, there would be no cut, i.e. NO DIRTY, just pure Heroin.

My point with Heroin being used in medical practice was that it would not be used in medical practice if it harmed your body so much. Now, you may say, well just cause they use it doesn't mean its not harmful. Well, wrong again. Heroin works exactly the same way on the body as Morphine, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Coedine, Hydromorphone.. etc etc etc etc etc and most of the opiates/opiods.

Calling me uninformed? please pm me with you aim name or yahoo or whatever, hell, I will create an account for whatever chat program you may use, to show you just how uninformed I am. I bet I understand the scientific reasons behind drug interactions 10 fold better than you.

Oh, yeah yeah its all written bs right?

Wrong again, I am speaking from experience as well.
First time I did Heroin was well over two years ago.. I've done it multiple times.. so I have experience as well.. and I'm ALMOST certain I have done more drugs than you.. if I haven't, I am still sure I understand the interactions/effects more so.


And once again, I just want to say that when I was talking about Heroin being "harmless" I meant the drug itself and its effect directly, not the addictions, none of the auxillary stuff. Being mugged, that is a result of the drug being illegal, not because the drug is intrinsically causing a mugging.

Don't believe me? If you really want me to, I could pm you some links to some discussions on this very topic, of Heroin being harmless to the body itself DIRECTLY.


And in the same respect, I do not mean to be a dick.
I do respect the fact of what you have been through, drug addiction, especially to a substance like Heroin must be God-awful, but you are mistaken in many aspects.

I mean, can you honestly tell me that you have read any scientific papers/articles/discussions on opiates/opiods ever?

I'm not striking down your intelligence or anything of that matter, I am simply saying that most people don't know anything about drugs, because they believe basically what they have heard through word of mouth. Most have never picked up a book or anything on the subject matter. Reading a DARE textbook doesn't count btw.

165r

I've done it all and thank God that I'm done with it. I get the same high after seeing my bench go up week to week.
I love the old, "my friends are still doing it" posts. No one know who you are so be honest. Grow up and Grow Strong.

"A camel would sooner pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man make it into heaven."
JESUS

CowPimp

Will do. I just have to finish studying a lifting for the day.

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kdwa1

Now that's a cool comeback Randy.I just re read my post and had a laugh myself ,I think I'm flyin a bit too high,must be the Tequila.I say whatever works dive in. Cheers!

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miamiguns

When I was in High School I was lifting weights alot with a group of friends and the subject came up as to whether smoking pot facilitated recovery time. Needless to say, We all concluded yes it did. hahahaha

Actually, when I think back, I did see better gains when we smoked a couple joints after a heavy workout.

Just a guy

aint nothing wrong with weed... Some people can be high on life... some cant... I was actually thinking about anti-depressants but i couldnt fabricate being Happy all the time... Im not a happy kind of guy... so i say when u do feel like enjoying a Video game MORE, or u just want to enjoy your dinner a Little bit more... SMOKE A BLUNT and enjoy life

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Just a guy

can i get a Amen?

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willus72

okay first off i would like to say congrats on looking up your shit. i have met alot of people cramming their bodys full of shit that they didnt know anything about. and yes i have done my reasearch, and i do know a whole lot of technical b/s that i could start spewing out. BUT because i know the technical aspect AND have the experiance under my belt i know what is more factual and important. Leave the technical stuff to docters and lawyers and listen to what counts.

now to list off of what you were saying, you claimed that heroin is dirty because it is blackmarket, wrong. even if it was legal it would still be cut. the only way to have it pure would be to shove a poppy seed in your vein, which would still be cut with the other chemicals in the poppy. there is no such thing as pure anything, ESPECIALLY a chemically altered synthetic like heroin.

but when you say heroin is reletivly harmeless to the body you are wrong. what heroin is or other painkillers are meant to do is slow down the body. that is dangerous and harmefull. when the heart pumps slower it does not push blood through the system fast enough which can cause perminant damage to skin cells, blood vessels, etc....

as for medicinal use of dangerouse chemicals lets look at a few...
chimotherapy
phen-fen
tylonol
well the list goes on but i dont feel like going on, any ways what im getting at is that every drug used in the medical feild has its effects and side effects. alot of times side effects can be very dangerous but the actual effects are worth the risk. opiates HAVE to be used in the medical field because they are so potent. the side effects of morphine, oxycontin, perkacet, vicodin, phentanol, etc.. are all worth the risk, because how would you feel if the doc said "heres a tylonol, get ready for open heart surgery. some people have to live with such excrutiating pain that the dangers are not only acceptable but they are necessay.

now back to theauxilery of the drug causing it to be harmful. just because it is an auxilery effect does not make the drug any safer. the potential risk is still there and the fact that it is illegal has nothing to do with those risks. even if it were legal it has such a potent addiction and such sever withdraws that people would do anything for it. now i know your going to argue that with it legal a person addicted to it could just go by some, wrong a heroin addict will give up, quit, and spend, anything he has for that high, once it is all gone, there is no more then the addict will resort to anything he has to to get the drug. which will no longer be killing a drug dealer now it will be killing 5 year old suzies pregnant mother that works at the corner store because she caught the addict trying to boost a bag of dope.

heroin adiction is not like alcohol, or ciggarettes if it were legal our country woyuld go to shit. the affects it has on ones brain alone are enough to kill our entire work force. people would not be able to handle a heroin addiction like alcohol and cigaretts. the would always need more and the shit would spread like a wild fire. and dont forget that the death rat would probably tripl, quadruple.

i do beleive i read somewhere you or someone said that people ared umb if they take to much and thats why they die. WRONG people take more because they have to not because they are dumb. i know you may have your experiance with drugs and that is fine but untill you have an experiance with addiction, you know nothing about drugs. honestly the way you talk you sound like i did the first time i did heroin when i was thirteen years old. if you feel comfortable that you are in control of your life have at it. if you feel drugs are harmeless, have at it, but dont dare try to convince other peple other wise. if narcotics were safe they would be legal PERIOD. i am 20 years old with 9 years of heave drug use behind my back. i have used AND abused everything that can be. i have paid my dues for it, i have lost loved ones for it, and i will probably pay for the rest of my life for it. and yes i will continue to call you uninformed because that is what you are, you can read books upon books, surveys upon surveys, discussions upon discussions, (which i have also) but nothing will teach better than good old fashoned experiance. im not sure how old you are but like i said you sound like i did when i was thirteen so im guessing somewhere around there, and although you dont want to hear it, i have to say it bcause it was said to me and i wished i had listened. listen to the people who have lived it and just take their word for it it is not something to play with or dabble in, even if you do feel you have control. a persons mind can be very decieving, and dangerous. the best way to learn about yourself is through other peoples eyes, and other peoples experiances. dont forget to be receptive to constructive critism, and ALWAYS be more mature than others around you. if something is wrong and deep down you know it is, dont defend yourself and anmit it, it will take a stronger person to do this than any. everyone here including yourself knows that heroin is dangerous. NOW instead of arguing the fact that it is not and looking like an UNINFORMED juvinile, be a man say YES it is dangerous but i enjoy doing it, and i am willing to accept those dangers.

oh and please lets not get into ive done more drugs that you shit. what that is called is criminal pride and it may be one of the most destructive personality traits out there. you may have tried drugs but i have lived the life. and its not the life to live

Just a guy

boooya

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Randy

Nice Response Willus... Now I certainly would feel better after letting all that out . And Yes, addiction can be a sad thing. I happen to know a few alcoholics and it is not a pretty site. I know one that gets up about 5am for work, pours himself a 16 oz glass of vodka and then drinks about 4 beers before he heads off to work. When you get to this point, the alcohol becomes a medicine. If he doesn not drink it, he gets the shakes so bad he could not even go to work... He tried to quit a few times, but goes into severe convulsions. Now this is just an example of how bad addiction can really be. Luckily I don't know any heroin addicts, but I have seen some of the affects it can do by watching some documentaries on TV. Now I know that does not really hold an accurate comparison in many cases, but the show I watched was pretty realistic. The best way to avoid addition is to have sense enough to stay away from all this bullshit.... this means legal and illegal... One thing though, there will always be those defending it... All you can do is hope they don't end up someday on the bottom like many of these addicts.. They too thought they would never get addicted.

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JerseyDevil

Wow. Can't believe I missed this thread. I'm probably a lot like Randy. I graduated high school in the early 70s, basically at the peak of the 'psychedelic' generation. I started smoking weed when I was 14, and I graduated to others things rather quickly. For me, smoking marijuana and hash was something I did while waiting to get off on LSD, mescaline, or psilocybin, sort of like front loading a cycle .

I eventually graduated to speed (Black Beauty's, White Crosses, Dexadrine), downer's like Seconal, Quaaludes, and eventually things like opium laced hashish and pot. I snorted plenty of coke and morphine (ahhhh, morphine), freebased and even 'hit up' heroin several times. I tried PCP (ala Angel Dust), which was an awful drug. That particular summer no pot was available, and Angel Dust was all there was. By the end of the summer you couldn't even give that shit away! And folks, I wasn't a part timer. I quit doing harder drugs in my early 20s, and smoked my last joint 18 years ago.

Anyways, I refuse to pass judgement on others and whether pot is good for weight training, or not. For many, many years, I believed these types of drugs should be legal. But nowadays when I look across the room at my 11 year twins, I listen to my heart. I hope and pray that THEY do not chose this path because I know how potentially dangerous and harmful drug use IS, and can be.

Randy

JerseyDevil,

While it seemed you surpassed me just a bit, I think you summed that up rather well . Your life did sound much like mine, however luckily I never sampled heroin or morphine and for the dust I only hit it once. But other than that I did try everything under the rainbow. The first was alcohol, then weed, then the others. Now like you say I am very much against any drugs. I wouldn't want to see anyone follow in those footsteps. The sad thing is some of my old buddies back in those days never got a clue and turned away from that lifestyle. Many of them are dead I'm affraid .

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JerseyDevil

I have some friends like that. Thankfully, none of them are dead (that I know of). I have one buddy, who turned 49 last year, that calls me every year on my birthday, early in the morning. Everytimes he calls, I hear him taking a bong hit. And every year I say, 'you still taking bong hits?'. With a laugh Beavis & Butthead would be proud of, he says 'hehhehehhehhhehhee ... yeah'.

willus72

a very close friend of mine died of a heroin overdose a few months ago. he was only 21 years old, i have know hims since i was about 11. he got into it and stopped it before i even started it. once i started he preached and begged me to stop, and i kept telling him i was only experimenting and it wouldnt be a problem etc... it really hurt our friendship alot. well after i decided t