Marijuana and Bodybuilding: The Truth

Yunier · 03-01-2005, 12:01 PM

I see the point FLEX was trying to make on the first couple of pages. Many of my friends started experimenting with weed back in grammer school, yup grammer school! In High School I had alot more friends who started smoking weed and alcohol on a regular basis. I tried weed a few times my freshmen year and did not like it, but did like alcohol. By the time some of these kids were seniors they had started smoking crak. I also seen "smart" kids smoking weed and they got better grades & schools then the non-smokers. I've also seen "good" kids fuck up their lives because of drugs, really sad.

Do I have any "research" stating that harmless weed can lead to crack, coke, meth, ect..No I don't. And I have nothing against people who smoke weed its their money, body and life. But I've seen many kids starting with harmless weed to doing crack, god knows what they doing now.

DOMS · 03-01-2005, 12:05 PM

The term "gateway drug" isn't just a sound bite.

metsfan1190 · 03-01-2005, 01:26 PM

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But I've seen many kids starting with harmless weed to doing crack, god knows what they doing now.

So if they never smoked weed, they would have never done crack?

LAM · 03-01-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yunier

I see the point FLEX was trying to make on the first couple of pages. Many of my friends started experimenting with weed back in grammer school, yup grammer school! In High School I had alot more friends who started smoking weed and alcohol on a regular basis. I tried weed a few times my freshmen year and did not like it, but did like alcohol. By the time some of these kids were seniors they had started smoking crak. I also seen "smart" kids smoking weed and they got better grades & schools then the non-smokers. I've also seen "good" kids fuck up their lives because of drugs, really sad.

conversely I have seen just as many goodie to shoes in high school that didn't drink or smoke weed that are now all fucked up on alcohol and other drugs in their 30's. while the rest of us who experimented at a younger age got it all out of our system.

it works both ways

Yunier · 03-01-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by metsfan1190

So if they never smoked weed, they would have never done crack?

I never said that, anyways there are so many variables to make a conclusion that smoking weed alone is going to lead to harder drugs. I am going by what I have seen besides this can be debated to death.

Now tell me this, have you even met someone who said "OK. Today sucks so I am going to try Coke to feel better" ?

LAM, I agree completely. Then you can have people whos lifes are all screwed up by drugs and they make a complete turn.

SlimShady · 03-01-2005, 02:58 PM

People say that weed leads to harder drugs, but I don't believe it. Freinds lead to harder drugs... cause that's how it always happens. A person is with some friends and one guy says "hey, I got some coke, wanna try some?" ... next thing you know, everyone is high.

njc · 03-01-2005, 06:26 PM

You guys go ahead and debate. Ill just be over here smokin. I will admit however, that I would be completely shredded if it werent for my increased appetitte. Now im about 10-12 pounds too fat.

clemson357 · 03-02-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex

i think the reason it is illegal is not b/c of the effects it has on you, but more because of its potential to be a gateway drug. ANYONE who says its not a gateway drug is full of, how do you say, shit.

I am not going to say that it isn't a gateway drug, because I have known many people who started with weed and moved on to stronger things. However, I do think you might be jumping to conclusions about what that means, or why it is a gateway drug.

do you think that if you could walk into any convenient store and buy a pack of joints, that people would associate it with other drugs? I think that part of the reason people may move on to harder drugs is because of the people they met while toking, if you have to get it illegally that means you usually have to deal with some sketchy people. If you associate with them on a regular basis, you are going to start getting influenced by the sketchy things that they do. I would say that if you never knew those people, those connections, because you buy your week at the Bi-Lo, you wouldn't have moved on to coke, then ex, then heroin...

or, it may be that "gateway drug" is a bullshit term altogether. what does that mean, that they did that drug first? so what. they also probably drank alcohol before they smoked weed, doesn't that mean that alcohol is really the gateway drug? after all, most people will agree that alcohol is a stronger drug than weed. they also probably smoked cigarettes before they drank alcohol. doesn't that make cigarettes the gateway drug?

the fact is that almost every person smokes a cigarette to look cool in middle school, most people move on to alcohol, a lot of those people move on to weed, a few of those move on to shrooms or coke, some of those move on to LSD or ex, and a couple of those move on to Heroin, crack, PCP or Meth. To say that if any one of those substances was missing from the chain, all the rest would never be abused, is an unjustified conclusion.

clemson357 · 03-02-2005, 02:05 PM

wow, that is a really long post.

on a personal level, I found that toking actually helped me lift. I would zone out, and be less likely to get bored and leave before I got threw my workout. Although, I have to say that I was never the type of toker to get high and then sit on a couch and watch TV, I pretty much only liked getting high before I did something active, like hike out to the lake, or wakeboard, or snowboard, or lift.

gr81 · 03-02-2005, 05:57 PM

The term Gateway drugs is misleading and incorrect, sorry Flex, but you can't prove it is either. Just b/c someone starts to smoke weed, and then later on in life does other drugs, doesn't necessarily indicate cause and effect, not at all. You have to understand chemical dependency within the human mind to understand that we don't work that way. If it did work that way, than anything that slightly affects our neurological disposition could be considered a gateway drug, from coffee to chocolate. Addiction is a genetic biological disease where people often search for emotional answers from substances when they were not able to develop normal ways to cope with stress, trauma, abuse. Marijuana in itself is NOT physically addictive, and smoking weed in NO WAY means you are going to move onto other drugs, just as it is no guarantee the other way around. If a person DOES move onto other drugs later on, the cause should be more closely examined and attributed to emotional or neurological dependency and the human brain related to chemical stimulation than the simple fact that they tried weed and now they simply want something harder. Its a HUGE misconception and NO ONE here can prove otherwise. Human beings are just not that simple, we are not that black and white that we can just look at the situation from a far and say well first they did A, then they did B, so they did A b/c of B. Its really not that simple guys, its deserves more discussion and thought than a simple linear cause and effect relationship as has been suggested. peace

RCfootball87 · 03-02-2005, 08:50 PM

I've smoked a lot of weed in my life, and I've never felt compelled to use anything harder, I knew before I ever started smoking weed that it was all I'd ever use.

Deeznuts · 03-02-2005, 10:10 PM

Wow - I started this thread way over a year ago lol I can't believe it's still going. I smoked quite a bit of pot this summer when I pretty much gave up on myself, but have been clean as a whistle for the past 6 mos.

No pot, no alcohol. You'll be suprised what kind of gains you can produce when you take away these two drugs. They may not be proven to negatively effect you too much (pot anyways), but i'll say first hand they fucked me up.

**CowPimp** · 03-02-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gr81

The term Gateway drugs is misleading and incorrect, sorry Flex, but you can't prove it is either. Just b/c someone starts to smoke weed, and then later on in life does other drugs, doesn't necessarily indicate cause and effect, not at all. You have to understand chemical dependency within the human mind to understand that we don't work that way. If it did work that way, than anything that slightly affects our neurological disposition could be considered a gateway drug, from coffee to chocolate. Addiction is a genetic biological disease where people often search for emotional answers from substances when they were not able to develop normal ways to cope with stress, trauma, abuse. Marijuana in itself is NOT physically addictive, and smoking weed in NO WAY means you are going to move onto other drugs, just as it is no guarantee the other way around. If a person DOES move onto other drugs later on, the cause should be more closely examined and attributed to emotional or neurological dependency and the human brain related to chemical stimulation than the simple fact that they tried weed and now they simply want something harder. Its a HUGE misconception and NO ONE here can prove otherwise. Human beings are just not that simple, we are not that black and white that we can just look at the situation from a far and say well first they did A, then they did B, so they did A b/c of B. Its really not that simple guys, its deserves more discussion and thought than a simple linear cause and effect relationship as has been suggested. peace

Well said. Also, no one brings up the fact that most people drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes before they try marijuana. Does that mean those are also gateway drugs? I think not.

The idea of a gateway drug is a total fallacy. One chemical cannot make you dependant on another. This just doesn't happen. Even if you were to provide studies saying that someone who smokes marijuana is more likely to use other drugs, that means nothing. This, in no way, proves that marijuana is the cause of this. You could also provide a study that "proves" heroin is a gateway drug. A heroin user is probably more likely to use marijuana, cocaine, other opiates, etc. Does that make herion a gateway drug? Please.

LittleBigMan · 03-02-2005, 11:10 PM

smoking while working out can also seem easier since marijuana is a bronchiodialotor (sp?) which means it opens up airways and allows for better breathing. This may seem contradictory in that smoke helps the airways, but it is temporary. try smoking when you have a cold and watch your sinuses open up for about an hour...

gr81 · 03-03-2005, 01:50 AM

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The idea of a gateway drug is a total fallacy. One chemical cannot make you dependant on another. This just doesn't happen. Even if you were to provide studies saying that someone who smokes marijuana is more likely to use other drugs, that means nothing. This, in no way, proves that marijuana is the cause of this. You could also provide a study that "proves" heroin is a gateway drug. A heroin user is probably more likely to use marijuana, cocaine, other opiates, etc. Does that make herion a gateway drug? Please.

exactly! people think its such a simple equation when its not at all, its quite complex. It would be like me assuming that since a person has muscle mass, they must be a genius when it comes to the science of weight training when everyone here knows that size is no indicator of smarts. But at a glance that makes sense... Whether or not a person uses drugs, no matter what they are is just like everything else in life, its a combination of possible genetic predisposition as well as lifestyle factors and upbringing and other various factors, not some magic force contained in the bowl your smoking.That is evident in the fact that certain people have drugs of choice, and for no apparent reason besides them just preferring it. Weed has never been as appealing to my close friend as it has been to me, yet he loves pain pills much more than other people, other guys love alcohol and never touch anything else besides the booze, what would the explanation for that be besides the one I have stated?

**CowPimp** · 03-03-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleBigMan

smoking while working out can also seem easier since marijuana is a bronchiodialotor (sp?) which means it opens up airways and allows for better breathing. This may seem contradictory in that smoke helps the airways, but it is temporary. try smoking when you have a cold and watch your sinuses open up for about an hour...

Yup. A friend of mine has reoccuring asthma problems that only occur when he is forced to quit smoking for one reason or another.

gr81 · 03-03-2005, 04:13 PM

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Well said. Also, no one brings up the fact that most people drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes before they try marijuana. Does that mean those are also gateway drugs? I think not.

theres a latin phrase that I think is appropriate... Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
This means "after, therefore because of" and that seems to be how people determine cause and effect relationships. This needs closer attention and thought before we assign acountability IMO

Maynard Keenan · 03-08-2005, 09:00 PM

Weed Is Absolutely Fine For You And Training. Cigerettes Are 20 X Worse As Well As Alcohol. Ive Been Smoking Weed All 12 Years Of My Lifting And Continued Each Year To Make Gains In Every Area. Im Benching 455 And Squatting 565. And Ive Never Met A Stoner I Didnt Like.....as For The Alcoholics?

simbh · 04-03-2005, 10:43 AM

Since I don't drink I sometimes smoke after I'm done with a workout . But it's probably a once a week thing now . Like some said , I'm as strong as I ever been . Although I will say that weed demotivates , but for some reason I never missed a gym workout since I got back to training 8 months ago .

As for dropping test levels , I don't know . After I smoke I'm horny as hell for some reason

Jay334 · 04-04-2005, 01:03 AM

I never touch the stuff.

Metman07 · 04-04-2005, 11:18 AM

You have to do everything in moderation. I smoke every once in a while. Usually on the weekends at a party. I drink regularly too, but I rarely get shit faced.

primus_122 · 04-04-2005, 05:32 PM

Weed doesnt hurt you much, you cant overdose on it, as for body building i dont know how much it effects you, i guess it differs with everyone. Weed is somewhat of a gateway drug but its not weed itself, the thing is we have been lied to by our parents and the goverment that weed is bad for you and you will die if you smoke it, we try it and we see that we have been lied to and begin to think this might be true for other drugs.

03-01-2005, 12:01 PM	#211
Yunier C U T T I N G Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 378 Photos: 5	I see the point FLEX was trying to make on the first couple of pages. Many of my friends started experimenting with weed back in grammer school, yup grammer school! In High School I had alot more friends who started smoking weed and alcohol on a regular basis. I tried weed a few times my freshmen year and did not like it, but did like alcohol. By the time some of these kids were seniors they had started smoking crak. I also seen "smart" kids smoking weed and they got better grades & schools then the non-smokers. I've also seen "good" kids fuck up their lives because of drugs, really sad. Do I have any "research" stating that harmless weed can lead to crack, coke, meth, ect..No I don't. And I have nothing against people who smoke weed its their money, body and life. But I've seen many kids starting with harmless weed to doing crack, god knows what they doing now. Last edited by Yunier : 03-01-2005 at 12:14 PM.

03-01-2005, 12:05 PM	#212
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03-01-2005, 06:26 PM	#217
njc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: located Posts: 751	You guys go ahead and debate. Ill just be over here smokin. I will admit however, that I would be completely shredded if it werent for my increased appetitte. Now im about 10-12 pounds too fat.
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03-02-2005, 05:57 PM	#220
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	The term Gateway drugs is misleading and incorrect, sorry Flex, but you can't prove it is either. Just b/c someone starts to smoke weed, and then later on in life does other drugs, doesn't necessarily indicate cause and effect, not at all. You have to understand chemical dependency within the human mind to understand that we don't work that way. If it did work that way, than anything that slightly affects our neurological disposition could be considered a gateway drug, from coffee to chocolate. Addiction is a genetic biological disease where people often search for emotional answers from substances when they were not able to develop normal ways to cope with stress, trauma, abuse. Marijuana in itself is NOT physically addictive, and smoking weed in NO WAY means you are going to move onto other drugs, just as it is no guarantee the other way around. If a person DOES move onto other drugs later on, the cause should be more closely examined and attributed to emotional or neurological dependency and the human brain related to chemical stimulation than the simple fact that they tried weed and now they simply want something harder. Its a HUGE misconception and NO ONE here can prove otherwise. Human beings are just not that simple, we are not that black and white that we can just look at the situation from a far and say well first they did A, then they did B, so they did A b/c of B. Its really not that simple guys, its deserves more discussion and thought than a simple linear cause and effect relationship as has been suggested. peace
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03-02-2005, 08:50 PM	#221
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	I've smoked a lot of weed in my life, and I've never felt compelled to use anything harder, I knew before I ever started smoking weed that it was all I'd ever use.
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03-01-2005, 02:58 PM	#216
SlimShady Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 471 Photos: 2	People say that weed leads to harder drugs, but I don't believe it. Freinds lead to harder drugs... cause that's how it always happens. A person is with some friends and one guy says "hey, I got some coke, wanna try some?" ... next thing you know, everyone is high.

03-02-2005, 02:05 PM	#219
clemson357 __________ Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,553 Photos: 1	wow, that is a really long post. on a personal level, I found that toking actually helped me lift. I would zone out, and be less likely to get bored and leave before I got threw my workout. Although, I have to say that I was never the type of toker to get high and then sit on a couch and watch TV, I pretty much only liked getting high before I did something active, like hike out to the lake, or wakeboard, or snowboard, or lift.

03-02-2005, 10:10 PM	#222
Deeznuts Still Growing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 771 Photos: 2	Wow - I started this thread way over a year ago lol I can't believe it's still going. I smoked quite a bit of pot this summer when I pretty much gave up on myself, but have been clean as a whistle for the past 6 mos. No pot, no alcohol. You'll be suprised what kind of gains you can produce when you take away these two drugs. They may not be proven to negatively effect you too much (pot anyways), but i'll say first hand they fucked me up.
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03-02-2005, 11:10 PM	#224
LittleBigMan Nas Escobar Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brampton, Canada Posts: 12	smoking while working out can also seem easier since marijuana is a bronchiodialotor (sp?) which means it opens up airways and allows for better breathing. This may seem contradictory in that smoke helps the airways, but it is temporary. try smoking when you have a cold and watch your sinuses open up for about an hour...
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03-08-2005, 09:00 PM	#228
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04-03-2005, 10:43 AM	#229
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Since I don't drink I sometimes smoke after I'm done with a workout . But it's probably a once a week thing now . Like some said , I'm as strong as I ever been . Although I will say that weed demotivates , but for some reason I never missed a gym workout since I got back to training 8 months ago . As for dropping test levels , I don't know . After I smoke I'm horny as hell for some reason
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04-04-2005, 01:03 AM	#230
Jay334 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 20	I never touch the stuff.
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04-04-2005, 11:18 AM	#231
Metman07 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25	You have to do everything in moderation. I smoke every once in a while. Usually on the weekends at a party. I drink regularly too, but I rarely get shit faced.
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04-04-2005, 05:32 PM	#232
primus_122 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WI Posts: 144	Weed doesnt hurt you much, you cant overdose on it, as for body building i dont know how much it effects you, i guess it differs with everyone. Weed is somewhat of a gateway drug but its not weed itself, the thing is we have been lied to by our parents and the goverment that weed is bad for you and you will die if you smoke it, we try it and we see that we have been lied to and begin to think this might be true for other drugs.

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