I don´t feel the need to use diffent exercises per muscle group. Am I wrong?

sYkboY · 01-21-2004, 11:15 AM

Nothing wrong with persistence but you posted a question and people don't like to be asked a question only to have their answers fall on deaf ears.

Vieope · 01-21-2004, 11:43 AM

The problem is that sometimes we are used to some "truth" and it is hard to let go when we discover that it is false.

And I didn´t ignore any post here, I read every post. I consider you opinion and the other ones.

But try to understand where I am trying to get ...

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yes one exercise will cause an entire muscle to grow (such as the pec major)

This was posted by Prince.

I am not doing this by ego or something, finding what works or not, helps everybody.

BUSTINOUT · 01-21-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Vieope

Yes, I can be a "little" persistent.

Not the word I was thinking of.

BUSTINOUT · 01-21-2004, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vieope
The problem is that sometimes we are used to some "truth" and it is hard to let go when we discover that it is false.

And I didn´t ignore any post here, I read every post. I consider you opinion and the other ones.

But try to understand where I am trying to get ...

This was posted by Prince.

I am not doing this by ego or something, finding what works or not, helps everybody.

How old are you man? I'm just curious becuase you "truth" that you cling so tightly too, has been refuted for years(with VERY few exceptions).

As for what Prince posted, you are even taking IT out of contect...DAMN! If you are going to quote a sentence, at least post a sentence in it's intirety. You are just picking and chosing. You are missing the whole point here. One exercise is not the issue, but rather the same exercise all the time. It's called adaptation and when it comes to building muscle, it is NOT a good thing. This is really quite simple. All you need to do is look around and find bodybuilders/fitness enthusiast that have met their goals by training with your method. Hopefully that will be reason enough for you to reconsider. Good luck on your search.

sYkboY · 01-21-2004, 12:35 PM

By adaptation not being good, you are refering to the fact that once a muscle adapts to a certain stimulous it no longer grows, right, or at least not as efficiently. Making your muscle continuously adapt is good. Just making sure or do you have a different outlook.

**CowPimp** · 01-21-2004, 12:43 PM

Yes, one exercise will sufficiently work a muscle. However, people are trying to tell you that it will only work for so long. Once your muscles adapt you are going to have a hard time stimulating them enough for growth. If you enjoy hammer curls, then stick with them until your gains start to wane. Once you hit some kind of plateau, then try a different exercise. You could even add a second bicep lift while continuing to do hammer curls. You will be impressed with the results.

I was doing basically the same routine for 6 months. I changed a lift here and there, but most all of the lifts remained the same. For those 6 months it was great, but my progress started to slow down. I completely changed around the routine. I have noticed 1-3 rep gains after only one week.

**gopro** · 01-21-2004, 12:53 PM

-A muscle will not reach its full potential for development from just one exercise (especially for a "complex" muscle)
-Different exercises utilize different muscle fiber recruitment patterns...this is need for optimum stimulation
-Using the same exercise for too long will eventually result in an "overuse injury"
-A muscle needs to be worked from more than one angle and taken through different "lines of push or pull" for maximum fiber recruitment
-Once the body becomes so "used to" and efficient at doing a movement it will have adapted to the point that it can call upon less muscle fibers to move the weight even if more weight is lifted. Its as if the body just gets "better" at doing the movement through "practice" rather than through an overcompensation response

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
-A muscle will not reach its full potential for development from just one exercise (especially for a "complex" muscle)
-Different exercises utilize different muscle fiber recruitment patterns...this is need for optimum stimulation
-Using the same exercise for too long will eventually result in an "overuse injury"
-A muscle needs to be worked from more than one angle and taken through different "lines of push or pull" for maximum fiber recruitment
-Once the body becomes so "used to" and efficient at doing a movement it will have adapted to the point that it can call upon less muscle fibers to move the weight even if more weight is lifted. Its as if the body just gets "better" at doing the movement through "practice" rather than through an overcompensation response

well said.

BUSTINOUT · 01-21-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by sYkboY
By adaptation not being good, you are refering to the fact that once a muscle adapts to a certain stimulous it no longer grows, right, or at least not as efficiently. Making your muscle continuously adapt is good. Just making sure or do you have a different outlook.

You understood correctly.

sYkboY · 01-21-2004, 01:38 PM

Thought so.

tjwes · 01-21-2004, 01:47 PM

Wow talk about a guy that`s dogmatic in his beleifs.Good post GoPro,I think that`s what most of us were trying to say,only not as eloquently!

Vieope · 01-21-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
As for what Prince posted, you are even taking IT out of contect...DAMN! If you are going to quote a sentence, at least post a sentence in it's intirety. You are just picking and chosing. You are missing the whole point here.

In that post is correct, I copied just a part, but a few post earlier I copied the complete thing.

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This brings me to another fallacy used to backup many training programs and techniques. "Shocking the muscle". What the hell is this? Every time someone tries to introduce a new training program or justify training techniques that don't produce maximum overload they spin this justification by saying you are "shocking the muscle". Can I say it? Bullshit! What they mean by "shocking the muscle" is introducing an unfamiliar exercise, rep scheme, training routine, or whatever in hopes ("Hope" is all this is based on. Not the science of muscle physiology.) that the change will "shock" the muscle into new growth. Let me emphasize, the only way to "shock" a muscle into new growth is with greater overload combined with greater intensity. Overload and intensity is what forces a muscle to grow. So if a routine does not maximize the overload to the muscle it will not promote maximum muscle growth.

From MAX-OT AST Sport Science

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Originally posted by MonStar
Agreed. You don't "shock" your muscles by hitting them from 30 different angles, youre just wasting your time. Pick a basic exercise that stresses the intended musclegroup, and concentrate on progressive overload. That's going to shock your muscles more than stressing them 50 different exercises.

Thanks, GoPro, Prince, everybody for your answers.

BUSTINOUT · 01-21-2004, 06:14 PM

No offense to MonStar, but the dude is also 20 years old.

01-21-2004, 11:15 AM	#31
sYkboY Bangin' Plates! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 67	Nothing wrong with persistence but you posted a question and people don't like to be asked a question only to have their answers fall on deaf ears.
	Still losing fat and gaining muscle. Man, feels like it takes for ever to get lean again and the strength doesn't come back over night.

01-21-2004, 12:35 PM	#35
sYkboY Bangin' Plates! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 67	By adaptation not being good, you are refering to the fact that once a muscle adapts to a certain stimulous it no longer grows, right, or at least not as efficiently. Making your muscle continuously adapt is good. Just making sure or do you have a different outlook.
	Still losing fat and gaining muscle. Man, feels like it takes for ever to get lean again and the strength doesn't come back over night.

01-21-2004, 12:53 PM	#37
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	-A muscle will not reach its full potential for development from just one exercise (especially for a "complex" muscle) -Different exercises utilize different muscle fiber recruitment patterns...this is need for optimum stimulation -Using the same exercise for too long will eventually result in an "overuse injury" -A muscle needs to be worked from more than one angle and taken through different "lines of push or pull" for maximum fiber recruitment -Once the body becomes so "used to" and efficient at doing a movement it will have adapted to the point that it can call upon less muscle fibers to move the weight even if more weight is lifted. Its as if the body just gets "better" at doing the movement through "practice" rather than through an overcompensation response
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01-21-2004, 01:38 PM	#40
sYkboY Bangin' Plates! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 67	Thought so.
	Still losing fat and gaining muscle. Man, feels like it takes for ever to get lean again and the strength doesn't come back over night.

01-21-2004, 01:47 PM	#41
tjwes "You Can`t Flex Fat" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 456 Photos: 8	Wow talk about a guy that`s dogmatic in his beleifs.Good post GoPro,I think that`s what most of us were trying to say,only not as eloquently!
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01-21-2004, 12:43 PM	#36
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,405	Yes, one exercise will sufficiently work a muscle. However, people are trying to tell you that it will only work for so long. Once your muscles adapt you are going to have a hard time stimulating them enough for growth. If you enjoy hammer curls, then stick with them until your gains start to wane. Once you hit some kind of plateau, then try a different exercise. You could even add a second bicep lift while continuing to do hammer curls. You will be impressed with the results. I was doing basically the same routine for 6 months. I changed a lift here and there, but most all of the lifts remained the same. For those 6 months it was great, but my progress started to slow down. I completely changed around the routine. I have noticed 1-3 rep gains after only one week.

01-21-2004, 06:14 PM	#43
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,415	No offense to MonStar, but the dude is also 20 years old.

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