targeting fat

Neverra · 01-20-2004, 09:40 PM

Hey Guys and Gals,

I am new to the site and it has not taken long to find useful, "real-world" advise from the people here. A little background on me---> I've been "off the horse" for about a year and a half and it is now to the point where the embarassment over the size I have shrunk down to (as compared to some former gains) has now overridden me. I now have the most renewed sense of willpower to get back to, and surpass, my former gains. This is a good thing. Also, on a very positive note, my wife has caught the bug and is also working towards her own goals as well. And this brings us to ask a question that we both hope you guys can help us with.

More background: We are both lean, high metabolism types. Both 5'7". I am 155. She is 128. She has recently been experiencing a gain in wieght over the last 3-4 months, I think mostly due to taking a break from her work as a dancer. In a 4 month time frame, she went from 118 to 128. Part of that went to boobies Part went to hips. Part went to the stomach and also to the lower back. Most of this, in the form of fat. Now, lets go to the goals.

She is developing a workout plan to help gain strength, a little bit of mass to some areas (arms,shoulders, calves, thighs) and mostly to tone/cutup all muscle groups. Also, part of the plan is to target some of the newly gained fatty areas like the stomach and lower back, with the "destroy all fat" mission in mind. Keep in mind, that we are not looking to lose too much "overall" bodyfat, as she desires to retain breast size. This leads me to believe that a "fatburner" type of pill is out of the question.

Right now, part of her training includes 200-300 crunches a day and light cardio (stairs/running). This and a diet change that includes a higher intake of water and less carb laden foods are what we are doing to bring the stomach back to former glory. The question that we are asking you guys/gals is this---> Do youall have better advise and hopefully from actual, personal experience? Can the goals we have set for her be obtained all at the same time or are we shooting for too much?

Also, she takes 2 supplements daily. One is a multivitamin. The other is Creatine.

Admin, If you feel this longassed post belongs in a better section, by all means, move it to the appropriate spot.

Trump · 01-20-2004, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Neverra
Also, part of the plan is to target some of the newly gained fatty areas like the stomach and lower back, with the "destroy all fat" mission in mind. Keep in mind, that we are not looking to lose too much "overall" bodyfat, as she desires to retain breast size. This leads me to believe that a "fatburner" type of pill is out of the question.

You can't target it, you MUST lose overall BF%

Quote:

Originally posted by Neverra

Right now, part of her training includes 200-300 crunches a day and light cardio (stairs/running). This and a diet change that includes a higher intake of water and less carb laden foods are what we are doing to bring the stomach back to former glory. The question that we are asking you guys/gals is this---> Do youall have better advise and hopefully from actual, personal experience? Can the goals we have set for her be obtained all at the same time or are we shooting for too much?

200-300 crunches is excessive. Use some weights and cut that into 2/10

**Prince** · 01-20-2004, 10:24 PM

agreed, you cannot spot reduce, you must lose overall bodyfat, and a female will inevitably lose breast size as she gets leaner.

M.J.H. · 01-21-2004, 05:30 AM

Agreed, it's impossible to spot reduce bodyfat.

Tha Don · 01-21-2004, 08:15 AM

i ain't so sure

some guys will have thin legs but a big belly, or scrawny shoulders and a fat arse

if they work hard them might be able to reduce the fat in a certain area and look more in proportion, if they exercise that particular area it may help get rid of the fat their, and as a result their overall BF will drop

so if you have fat around your abs doing crunches wuld build muscle underneath that fat, and muscle burns fat, so you have a better chance of removing the fat on your abs

this is just how i see it

peace

Trump · 01-21-2004, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by young d
i ain't so sure

some guys will have thin legs but a big belly, or scrawny shoulders and a fat arse

if they work hard them might be able to reduce the fat in a certain area and look more in proportion, if they exercise that particular area it may help get rid of the fat their, and as a result their overall BF will drop

so if you have fat around your abs doing crunches wuld build muscle underneath that fat, and muscle burns fat, so you have a better chance of removing the fat on your abs

this is just how i see it

peace

wrong.

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by young d
i ain't so sure

some guys will have thin legs but a big belly, or scrawny shoulders and a fat arse

if they work hard them might be able to reduce the fat in a certain area and look more in proportion, if they exercise that particular area it may help get rid of the fat their, and as a result their overall BF will drop

so if you have fat around your abs doing crunches wuld build muscle underneath that fat, and muscle burns fat, so you have a better chance of removing the fat on your abs

this is just how i see it

peace

well, I am sure, and the way you "see it" is just plain wrong, sorry.

derekisdman · 01-21-2004, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by young d
i ain't so sure

some guys will have thin legs but a big belly, or scrawny shoulders and a fat arse

if they work hard them might be able to reduce the fat in a certain area and look more in proportion, if they exercise that particular area it may help get rid of the fat their, and as a result their overall BF will drop

so if you have fat around your abs doing crunches wuld build muscle underneath that fat, and muscle burns fat, so you have a better chance of removing the fat on your abs

this is just how i see it

peace

So you just create your own theory with no real evidence to support it? What makes you think it works this way?

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 12:38 PM

because that is how he sees it!

derekisdman · 01-21-2004, 12:41 PM

Oh of course, how could I have been so foolish.

builtincary · 01-21-2004, 12:46 PM

ha thats funny prince.

yeah you cannot target fat loss. your body burns fat based on genetics. all you have to do is eat a healthy diet, and do cardio.

tell your wife to ease back on the crunches or her abs might jump out of her body and attack someone.

simply put:
fat loss = cardio and diet.

Neverra · 01-21-2004, 01:43 PM

We definitely appreciate everyones suggestions so far. And If anyone has more to add, by all means, go for it. But I do have a question to the guys that say 200-300 crunches is overdoing it. What is the theory behind that? In personal experience, I started doing that many crunches when I was 14 and have maintained a 6-pack ever since. I'm hard-pressed to throw away what has worked for me for twelve years. But I'm willing to listen to reason. Please explain.

Premo55 · 01-21-2004, 01:50 PM

^^ I didn't do any crunches AT ALL for three months before two weeks ago, and I have a six pack. Never lost it. Explain that. Crunches are not necessary for your rectus abdominis to show, you need to lose body fat for that to happen. Ab training is done for CORE STRENGTH, which I feel is important to protect your back and to increase lifts that are core-based (deadlifts, squats etc.), therefore you should train your abs to increase strength and core stability, and the only way to improve strength is to train your abs like any other muscle, by establishing a mind-muscle connection, using low reps/higher weight and really FEELING the movement the rectus abdominis goes through in exercises like the dragon flag and cable crunches.

Peace.

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 01:55 PM

true that your abs will show once you're lean enough, training them has nothing to do with that, however if you want them more developed they need to be trained just like any other muscle.

**CowPimp** · 01-21-2004, 01:56 PM

The biomechanics lab at San Diego State University conducted a study to determine the 13 best ab exercises. This site lists them in order of effectiveness for both your rectus abdominus and your obliques. Traditional crunches ranked near the bottom in both categories (11th place). The two most effective exercises were bicycle crunches and the captain's chair. I can't do nearly as many bicycle crunches or captain's chair lifts as I can crunches. Just thought you might want to look into those two exercises if the two of you would like more defined abs.

TheRoyalOne · 01-21-2004, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neverra
....In personal experience, I started doing that many crunches when I was 14 and have maintained a 6-pack ever since. I'm hard-pressed to throw away what has worked for me for twelve years. But I'm willing to listen to reason. Please explain.

From what you stated before, in regards to a lean build and fast metabolism, one would think you have always had a 6 pack because of genetics. Genetics determine how much and where BF is stored. Crunches definately help improve the look of your abs. But for people like me, who naturaly store most BF in the midsection, crunches make the abs stronger but not more defined. I have achieved the most ab definition using cardio and smart eating. Larger, stronger abs under a layer of fat only make the fat poke out more.
Think of BF as layers of clothes, the more shirts you have on, the harder it is to see the lean muscle. If you want to see the muscle, you have to shead a few layers. In your case Neverra, you just don't have many layers on.

samat631 · 01-21-2004, 02:03 PM

hey sorry to go off track but real quick: on a smith machine, before putting any weight on it, how much does the bar weigh??

thanks alot guys and sorry again

samat631 · 01-21-2004, 02:05 PM

by the way good body fat analogy!

Tha Don · 01-21-2004, 02:06 PM

hahaha

i knew i'd get ripped

yeah thats the way i see it...

...i'm like a brain in a voicebox, i speak my mind...

peace

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by samat631
hey sorry to go off track but real quick: on a smith machine, before putting any weight on it, how much does the bar weigh??

thanks alot guys and sorry again

first of all what a stupid place/thread to ask this question in.

second, it depends on the Smith machine, if it's counter balanced the bar is probably only around 15lbs, if not it could weigh as much as 35lbs, many times it will say the bar weight somewhere on the machine, like on a sticker.

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by young d
hahaha

i knew i'd get ripped

yeah thats the way i see it...

I suggest that you get a bit more educated in human physiology before posting anymore of that non-sense.

samat631 · 01-21-2004, 02:12 PM

lol thnx

BabsieGirl · 01-21-2004, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonStar
Agreed, it's impossible to spot reduce bodyfat.

Now you know.........Jodi is going to say other wise.

BabsieGirl · 01-21-2004, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
I suggest that you get a bit more educated in human physiology before posting anymore of that non-sense.

PURCHASE THE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK!!!!!!

Burn Fat Feed Muscle!

Prince...tell'em bud

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Now you know.........Jodi is going to say other wise.

not via diet and exercise she won't.

01-20-2004, 09:40 PM	#1
Neverra Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5	targeting fat BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Hey Guys and Gals, I am new to the site and it has not taken long to find useful, "real-world" advise from the people here. A little background on me---> I've been "off the horse" for about a year and a half and it is now to the point where the embarassment over the size I have shrunk down to (as compared to some former gains) has now overridden me. I now have the most renewed sense of willpower to get back to, and surpass, my former gains. This is a good thing. Also, on a very positive note, my wife has caught the bug and is also working towards her own goals as well. And this brings us to ask a question that we both hope you guys can help us with. More background: We are both lean, high metabolism types. Both 5'7". I am 155. She is 128. She has recently been experiencing a gain in wieght over the last 3-4 months, I think mostly due to taking a break from her work as a dancer. In a 4 month time frame, she went from 118 to 128. Part of that went to boobies Part went to hips. Part went to the stomach and also to the lower back. Most of this, in the form of fat. Now, lets go to the goals. She is developing a workout plan to help gain strength, a little bit of mass to some areas (arms,shoulders, calves, thighs) and mostly to tone/cutup all muscle groups. Also, part of the plan is to target some of the newly gained fatty areas like the stomach and lower back, with the "destroy all fat" mission in mind. Keep in mind, that we are not looking to lose too much "overall" bodyfat, as she desires to retain breast size. This leads me to believe that a "fatburner" type of pill is out of the question. Right now, part of her training includes 200-300 crunches a day and light cardio (stairs/running). This and a diet change that includes a higher intake of water and less carb laden foods are what we are doing to bring the stomach back to former glory. The question that we are asking you guys/gals is this---> Do youall have better advise and hopefully from actual, personal experience? Can the goals we have set for her be obtained all at the same time or are we shooting for too much? Also, she takes 2 supplements daily. One is a multivitamin. The other is Creatine. Admin, If you feel this longassed post belongs in a better section, by all means, move it to the appropriate spot.
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01-20-2004, 10:24 PM	#3
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,295 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	agreed, you cannot spot reduce, you must lose overall bodyfat, and a female will inevitably lose breast size as she gets leaner.
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01-21-2004, 05:30 AM	#4
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Agreed, it's impossible to spot reduce bodyfat.
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01-21-2004, 12:38 PM	#9
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,295 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	because that is how he sees it!
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01-21-2004, 12:41 PM	#10
derekisdman RAWR! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,294	Oh of course, how could I have been so foolish.
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01-21-2004, 08:15 AM	#5
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	i ain't so sure some guys will have thin legs but a big belly, or scrawny shoulders and a fat arse if they work hard them might be able to reduce the fat in a certain area and look more in proportion, if they exercise that particular area it may help get rid of the fat their, and as a result their overall BF will drop so if you have fat around your abs doing crunches wuld build muscle underneath that fat, and muscle burns fat, so you have a better chance of removing the fat on your abs this is just how i see it peace

01-21-2004, 12:46 PM	#11
builtincary rrrripped Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 37	ha thats funny prince. yeah you cannot target fat loss. your body burns fat based on genetics. all you have to do is eat a healthy diet, and do cardio. tell your wife to ease back on the crunches or her abs might jump out of her body and attack someone. simply put: fat loss = cardio and diet.

01-21-2004, 01:43 PM	#12
Neverra Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5	We definitely appreciate everyones suggestions so far. And If anyone has more to add, by all means, go for it. But I do have a question to the guys that say 200-300 crunches is overdoing it. What is the theory behind that? In personal experience, I started doing that many crunches when I was 14 and have maintained a 6-pack ever since. I'm hard-pressed to throw away what has worked for me for twelve years. But I'm willing to listen to reason. Please explain.
Neverra Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5

01-21-2004, 01:50 PM	#13
Premo55 Mic Murderer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,059	^^ I didn't do any crunches AT ALL for three months before two weeks ago, and I have a six pack. Never lost it. Explain that. Crunches are not necessary for your rectus abdominis to show, you need to lose body fat for that to happen. Ab training is done for CORE STRENGTH, which I feel is important to protect your back and to increase lifts that are core-based (deadlifts, squats etc.), therefore you should train your abs to increase strength and core stability, and the only way to improve strength is to train your abs like any other muscle, by establishing a mind-muscle connection, using low reps/higher weight and really FEELING the movement the rectus abdominis goes through in exercises like the dragon flag and cable crunches. Peace.
	T DOT O.

01-21-2004, 01:55 PM	#14
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,295 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	true that your abs will show once you're lean enough, training them has nothing to do with that, however if you want them more developed they need to be trained just like any other muscle.
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01-21-2004, 01:56 PM	#15
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,400	The biomechanics lab at San Diego State University conducted a study to determine the 13 best ab exercises. This site lists them in order of effectiveness for both your rectus abdominus and your obliques. Traditional crunches ranked near the bottom in both categories (11th place). The two most effective exercises were bicycle crunches and the captain's chair. I can't do nearly as many bicycle crunches or captain's chair lifts as I can crunches. Just thought you might want to look into those two exercises if the two of you would like more defined abs.

01-21-2004, 02:03 PM	#17
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	hey sorry to go off track but real quick: on a smith machine, before putting any weight on it, how much does the bar weigh?? thanks alot guys and sorry again

01-21-2004, 02:05 PM	#18
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	by the way good body fat analogy!

01-21-2004, 02:06 PM	#19
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	hahaha i knew i'd get ripped yeah thats the way i see it... ...i'm like a brain in a voicebox, i speak my mind... peace

01-21-2004, 02:12 PM	#22
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	lol thnx