Thread: Stronger then a Martial Artist?

You will gain some strength then platuea cause you are only using bodyweight, mostly endurance.

I wouldn't really bother too much with that routine. Granted, it will make you stronger. However, as Prince said, your endurance is what will really go up. I would consider doing that routine up to week 9 in preparation for a weightlifting routine.

who can do 100-300 pushups tho?
and 100 pullups?????? thats liek world class
I was at 6 flags a year ago
and they were giving away a 2003 Hummer if you could get 100 pull-ups

Sounds like a hard program, but sure you'll build strength. Most martial artists I've met are insanely stronger than their physiques would suggest - plus they'd know how to disable you.

Probably not too good for building muscle, but you'll definitely be strong.

i got a question:
Wouldnt doing this type of workout for a while (3 months lets say)

Would your muscles be extremely hard???
all that volume has to do something besides endurance...
just from flexing so m;uch, you'd think your muscles might become like super hard b/c of of contracting so much

I dont think i could do it b/c we do pushups in gym so...i would be able to do them for a few days after

It's a question of goals and then a matter of which muscle fibers you are concentrating on (fast twitch/slow twitch), and finally a genetic predisposition (in terms of ratio of fast/slow) that will determine whether this workout is good for you.

I think it would be excellent for boxing, wrestling, gymnastics, downhill skiing, of course martial arts, and any other sport that requires endurance PLUS a high level of strength to bodyweight.

For bodybuilding, it's not going to do that much for you b/c the reps are so high that you're working mostly slow twitch muscles.

I don't really know what's the difference, but that's something I've noticed too. Bodybuilders I know tend to have soft muscles at rest, and some aren't even particularly hard when they're flexing(I'm talking about the trainers at my gym, who are pretty big).
But all the martial arts teachers I've had were HARD AS ROCK. I'm serious, they were incredibly resilient, like really made out of stone, even when at rest. They were older tho, like 40 years old, maybe that's got something to do with it...?

Originally posted by Mex
I don't really know what's the difference, but that's something I've noticed too. Bodybuilders I know tend to have soft muscles at rest, and some aren't even particularly hard when they're flexing(I'm talking about the trainers at my gym, who are pretty big).
But all the martial arts teachers I've had were HARD AS ROCK. I'm serious, they were incredibly resilient, like really made out of stone, even when at rest. They were older tho, like 40 years old, maybe that's got something to do with it...?

Thats what i was saying read my post from earlier

i got a question:
Wouldnt doing this type of workout for a while (3 months lets say)

Would your muscles be extremely hard???
all that volume has to do something besides endurance...
just from flexing so m;uch, you'd think your muscles might become like super hard b/c of of contracting so much

Thats what i posted earlier.
See what i was talking about, solid rock

Calisthenics (body weight excersizes) will make you much faster, give you plenty of muscular endurance and make you much more agile. Your muscles will most likely shrink some and get harder. Programs like these are great for people who need functional strength and endurance, ie Fire, Police, EMT, military. here's a great link for you interested in these simply yet effective fitness programs.. www.getfitnow.com

Your muscles will most likely shrink some...

how do you figure??

I think it sounds like a great program... for my girlfriend or someone who wants to just get really toned up. ( well Id put her on a much easier version, cuz shes a weak azz chick)

100 pushups isnt that hard at all. During my training for my work, we had to do as many pushups as we could in 1 min. I did 81, some guy who was a Ranger did 148. It was unreal. And you couldnt stop in the middle, it had to be continueous.

Experience. I sure didn't get any bigger from our "smoking sessions" in the army. And I ate like a fuggin pig. It's a different stimulus, being more of endurance type excersize. Doing 100 pushups stimulates muscles differently then doing BP with a 100lb for say 10 reps. It has more to do with glycogen depletion. Anyways...I'm no expert on physiology. Just sharing what I've experienced.

but did your muscles get really hard? iman323?

well...yeah harder then woodpecker lips.. but not "full" type of hard. I looked like a serious librarian. running 5-6 miles every other day probably helped too hehehhe

hahah

but from that super high-volume training, what benifits did you get besides edurance??

Just to add to that, the only way your muscles are gonna look "hard" is if you drop bodyfat.

im not talking about looking hard, i know that, duh
im talking about how they feel when you touch them, like what mex said

Bodybuilders I know tend to have soft muscles at rest, and some aren't even particularly hard when they're flexing

So i was wondering if they felt harder because of the high volume

I mean once yyou do so many pushups, you know after your muscles contract so much, youd think they would hardern up just from that??

Its functional strength dude. Basically workouts like these let you stay fresh longer while doing work. Someone like a construction worker would benefit tremendously. In other words if you engage in any sort of lengthy activity that leaves you totally smoked after you're done this stuff's for you.

i dont see how yuo could very strong on that program, too many reps, i mean compared to powrlifting, and bodybuilding type workouts too
it wouldnt build that much strength

There are two different measurements of strength.

You have explosive strength, facilitated by fast twitch muscles, measured by something like a one-rep max.

And you have endurance strength, facilitated by slow-twich fibers, measured by work (force applied to move mass) performed over time.

A bodybuilder or competitive powerlifter can bench 500 pounds...but probably can't run a sub 7-minute mile.

A competitive road racer can run a 4:20 mile....over and over and over.

Both are incredibly strong.

It's like the difference between a tractor and a race car.

I'm packing around a fair bit of extra body weight and I'd say my pushup numbers are pretty low compared to a lot of people here... but considering that after doing 35 pushups in a single set the amount of a pump I get is close to painful (I can do sets of 20 all day without too much trouble), I can't imagine what 50 pushups would do (followed by another 100 because I lack access to a pullup bar), my arms would probably explode and I'd be spraying blood like the knight in the holy grail... it's just a minor pump, I'm just warming up, now have at ya.

Something like that (program posted above) will give you a lot of endurance, but as far as making muscles bigger- it won't. Muscles grow because of overload and proper nutrition. I can say from experience that good martial artists have to be in very good shape because you must have 1.) speed and 2.)stamina 3.)power. Speed is bar none the most important followed by stamina and then power. Fighting/sparring places maximum demand on your body, not just high demand -maximum demand. In order to sustain that (fighting) you have to have stamina. I would still train hard though because the better shape you are in the better martial artist you can become. Remember that you have to have adequate strength to move your limbs and body fast enough and to and from the right places. I guess the point is don't tangle with one of these folks just because you have a couples dozens lbs of muscle on 'em. Remember, a real martial artist once killed a bull with his bare hands. (true story, and it attacked him)

Ha--never heard the bull story, but I believe it! This may sound crazy, but I fear Judo masters the most--only b/c if they get a hold on you or get you on the ground, you're done for. I worked with an Olympic-level Judo athlete, and he was thick, fast, and literally deadly. If you couldn't punch like lightening, he would turn your first jab into a lock hold and throw you to the ground. He said that's why most winner of Ultimate Fighting circuits are Judo-based.

I agree that 100 pushups won't make you "big." I would say it would make you "harder," and give you more stamina. But if you want mass growth, you need to be doing low reps of heavy weights.

Bottom line is to decide what the end goal of your training is for, and then talior your workouts accordingly.

Do you want to beat everyone on the basketball court?

Do you just want to be big and build a physique for BB competitions?

Do you want to complete an Ironman Triathlon?

These all require different mixes of speed/stamina/power.

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
who can do 100-300 pushups tho?
and 100 pullups?????? thats liek world class
I was at 6 flags a year ago
and they were giving away a 2003 Hummer if you could get 100 pull-ups

when i was in bootcamp i could easily do over 100 pushups at a time. my c/o tried counting one time but got bored and gave up around 350. and thats true i watched and helped count, he didnt even break a sweat. pull-up are a different story. i could see 100 chin ups but, that is alot of freaking pull ups. i would do 100 pushups and still not be able to get past 10 pull ups, for me they are really hard

well 100 pushups yea...i was going for 300 but you just proved that it not that insane so woohoo

thats ain't no bodybuilding program

its maybe okay for kids that don't know what a dumbell is

it wouldn't help me though

peace