30 lbs LBM in 6 months? Try 6 years.

Pierzin · 02-12-2004, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by PreMier
Whats your size? If its under 200Lbs that is bullshit.

Premier,
To be honest, this person was pretty militant about what he did and I do not know how long he trained. He knows that I train though(when I can), and told me his experience. He used one of those weight gainer powders, but didn't tell me about the rest of his diet. All I told him was "something isn't right about that picture".

2nd point- I am currently 130#. My associate, described above, says he is 145.

The whole point of my post was, if you're not acheiving your goals or doing something wrong, change it, until it works.
Some people actually do cardio while on a bulk? Wow, I would never do that!
If you're not gaining weight on a bulk you're not eating enough, or you're not eating enough of the right things. I start putting on pounds when my diet tops 4k.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-12-2004, 06:11 PM

the pic in the picture has to be at least 175...depending on height

by pic i mean avitar pierzin

PreMier · 02-12-2004, 06:18 PM

Thats not him bro...

Pierzin-- Sorry. I just dont buy it. That many cals(5k) at 145#'s. Its impossible... He lied to you.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-13-2004, 06:44 PM

ooooooh

yea now that i think about it, it couldnt be him...that guy in there is like model

Pierzin · 02-14-2004, 05:41 AM

my avatar

that is not me!!! I am a skinny runt, which is why I workout. You won't see a pic of me for a while!

premier
yeah, I can only conclude he lied about what he did too.
whatever.

**P-funk** · 02-14-2004, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by PreMier
It is bullshit... I hear people always saying "I eat so much! and cant grow!". Its because they think they are eating alot. They dont count their calories, and they dont know the right foods to eat. I am 5'8" and 190Lbs. I am bulking on 4600+ cals a day, and gaining 1 1/2Lbs a week. Once they start counting calories and know how to eat right then they will gain. Also why the hell would someone do cardio on a bulk? Seriously.

I agree that 5000cals without weight gain is a little out there. I can bulk on 5000cals and gain some weight, my meatbolism is pretty quick though because I start cutting at around 4000cals. I also agree that people say they eat a lot but have no clue. Most guys that want to bulk ask me how an dthe first thing iask them is how much they eat. it isn't until they write it out for me that I they see they are undereating.

Cardio on a bulk? I did cardio on my bulk this year (sometimes once a week, sometimes twice a week and then sometimes not at all for a couple of weeks. I cycled it through out.)? Why? Two reasons:

1) it helped keep me leaner. I didn't have to really drop cals for mini cuts. Instead I cycled insome cardio to help create the caloric defecit.

2) heart reasons. Bulking up is tough on the heart so I think some cardio is a good idea. I would just do my cardio and make sure I overeat a little on those days to make up for the increased caloric expenditure.

Yanick · 02-14-2004, 02:12 PM

P-funk and premier are completely right. The dumbass people who say they eat a lot everyday are ALWAYS undereating. They eat like 3 meals a day all of which are like 1/2 of my SMALLEST meal and i eat 6-7+ (plus snacks and shit in between) times a day. What people don't realize is that you can't listen to your body about dieting, because your body's goals are always the opposite or yours. For example when cutting your appetite is always up and your metabolism is always down, and when bulking your appetite is down and metabolism is sky high (unless your a freak like P-funk who is hungry at 5k+ kcals/day).

**P-funk** · 02-14-2004, 02:16 PM

Hey, I'm not a freak am I??

myCATpowerlifts · 02-14-2004, 02:48 PM

4000 cals to cut??
freakazoid!
I wish that was how much it took me to cut

**P-funk** · 02-14-2004, 02:49 PM

yeah, I am hungry as hell too!!

seabee · 02-14-2004, 11:26 PM

In an interview, Shaun Ray said he cuts at a strict 2000 cals. daily until you can see his colon. And, he does long cuts. They loose everything but the boulders and arteries...their skin is shrikwrapped around tight into the seems. I don't want to know how they got that big, I want to know how their muscles survived a cut like that.

**Prince** · 02-14-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by seabee
...I want to know how their muscles survived a cut like that.

simple...he uses a shit load of steroids.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-15-2004, 04:15 PM

UNTIL YOU CAN SEE HIS COLON??? THATS FUK!NG SICK!

02-12-2004, 06:18 PM	#33
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	Thats not him bro... Pierzin-- Sorry. I just dont buy it. That many cals(5k) at 145#'s. Its impossible... He lied to you.
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02-14-2004, 05:41 AM	#35
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02-14-2004, 02:12 PM	#37
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,798	P-funk and premier are completely right. The dumbass people who say they eat a lot everyday are ALWAYS undereating. They eat like 3 meals a day all of which are like 1/2 of my SMALLEST meal and i eat 6-7+ (plus snacks and shit in between) times a day. What people don't realize is that you can't listen to your body about dieting, because your body's goals are always the opposite or yours. For example when cutting your appetite is always up and your metabolism is always down, and when bulking your appetite is down and metabolism is sky high (unless your a freak like P-funk who is hungry at 5k+ kcals/day).
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02-14-2004, 02:16 PM	#38
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02-14-2004, 02:49 PM	#40
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,432	yeah, I am hungry as hell too!!
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02-12-2004, 06:11 PM	#32
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	the pic in the picture has to be at least 175...depending on height by pic i mean avitar pierzin

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myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	4000 cals to cut?? freakazoid! I wish that was how much it took me to cut

02-14-2004, 11:26 PM	#41
seabee Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 165	In an interview, Shaun Ray said he cuts at a strict 2000 cals. daily until you can see his colon. And, he does long cuts. They loose everything but the boulders and arteries...their skin is shrikwrapped around tight into the seems. I don't want to know how they got that big, I want to know how their muscles survived a cut like that.
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02-15-2004, 04:15 PM	#43
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