30 lbs LBM in 6 months? Try 6 years.

seabee · 02-07-2004, 10:25 PM

I'm natural and so are my gym mates...nobody has put on more than 30-40 lbs LBM in the 6 years I've gone here. Were talkin cut to ripped...LBM. I started as a 165 stick, 6 years ago...now I'm 200 (built, not huge...) at about 12% bf and cutting. This is average (LBM) for most of the "naturals" I know (about 10 of em with varied training styles). I'm tired of reading and hearing the lies, and so are they! Emphasis is on LBM there, waterboy.

Flame away....

Arthur2004 · 02-08-2004, 12:16 AM

ya but 30 lbs of LBM is alot aswel..... and u can gain more in 6 years if u eat better and stuff and take the right supplements

M.J.H. · 02-08-2004, 05:14 AM

I have to agree here for the most part. I dont think that most people of normal height can get to be much larger than 220 or 230 or so naturally. Naturally meaning no prohomones either, obviously. This is just in my experience of course, however.

derekisdman · 02-08-2004, 09:21 AM

I also tend to agree. Why is it that everywhere you read you see people saying how they gained 30, 40, 50 lbs. of muscle in 3 months, or 6 months when 80% of others take years to do that?

Arthur2004 · 02-08-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by derekisdman
I also tend to agree. Why is it that everywhere you read you see people saying how they gained 30, 40, 50 lbs. of muscle in 3 months, or 6 months when 80% of others take years to do that?

Because they are lieing mofos

plouffe · 02-08-2004, 09:57 AM

In a little more then two years of working out I put on about 40 pounds. I'm sure alot of it had to do with growing, I probally put on 4 inches.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-08-2004, 10:01 AM

When im about 25 ill prolly be at the point i want to be
i dont know how much ill weigh tho
cuz i weigh 200 lbs now (prolly 15-18% bf i guess dunno reallly)
but im sure if i were to cut i could get down to 175. Im 16 and 6'1" now, so im hoping to reach 6'3" lol.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-08-2004, 10:01 AM

if shoe size is any indicator, i wear 14's now...

myCATpowerlifts · 02-08-2004, 10:02 AM

and everyuone says i have big hand

so maybe ill turn out to be 6'3" who knows

HoldDaMayo · 02-08-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by derekisdman
I also tend to agree. Why is it that everywhere you read you see people saying how they gained 30, 40, 50 lbs. of muscle in 3 months, or 6 months when 80% of others take years to do that?

usually these people are like 16 years old and are still developing and have high test levels... i would think like 20-30 pounds in 6 months could be done pretty easily at 16-17 years old.....

derekisdman · 02-08-2004, 01:43 PM

I'm not talking about 16 year olds mainly, I'm mostly referring to those people who have created programs promising 30-40 lbs. of muscle in a few months time. That kind of thing.

**CowPimp** · 02-08-2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by derekisdman
I also tend to agree. Why is it that everywhere you read you see people saying how they gained 30, 40, 50 lbs. of muscle in 3 months, or 6 months when 80% of others take years to do that?

I think that most of the time people who gained this amount of muscle just started lifting. Me and a friend of mine both experienced explosive gains like that. Both of our gains are slowing at this point though.

squanto · 02-08-2004, 02:17 PM

oh... well i did it at 17. it wasnt ALL muscle, but my bench went up about 80 pounds as i put on 30 pounds of weight. so a great deal was muscle. its a lot easier to gain lbs when you weigh 130 than when youre 200, also. this all happened in 3 months. i agree, a lot of these people are having growth spurts.

QuestionGuy · 02-08-2004, 03:34 PM

14 shose size, good damn... i know this 13 year old kid, he is about 5"4-5 and he is skinney as hell but wears 14 as a shoe size, damn that look so funny when i see him

myCATpowerlifts · 02-08-2004, 03:41 PM

yeah 14s are big, i just hope i grow into them

who knows i may wear 15's some day

seabee · 02-08-2004, 06:31 PM

I know what some of you are saying...20-30 lbs LBM in first year because you are just starting out and you experience explosive gains...

...then when you start to figure all of the elements of training out and begin to train smart and eat correctly, 10 lbs LBM in 5 years.

Makes perfect sense!

QuestionGuy · 02-08-2004, 06:40 PM

stupid body, why cant we just pay 39''99 a month for a good body and eat whatever we want...... ohhhhh wait that is possible but only on tv

plouffe · 02-09-2004, 01:43 PM

If you're only packin on 30 pounds in 6 years you're doing something wrong.

5 pounds a year?

camarosuper6 · 02-09-2004, 02:25 PM

I think a reasonable amount of muscle a year would be in the 10-15 lb range for a natural if he is truly dedicated.

squanto · 02-09-2004, 04:42 PM

what do u think is so absurd about gaining a lot when you first start lifting seabee?? and when it happened to me, it was when i finally started lifting RIGHT, i had been lifting for a long time before that. i cant understand why you call other people liars just because they are seeing better results than you! btw, if i saw only 10 pounds of lbm in 5 years of trianing like i do now, i think i would just give up, or at least try to figure out what im doing wrong.

QuestionGuy · 02-09-2004, 05:13 PM

i agree with the guy above me...

plouffe · 02-09-2004, 06:47 PM

I can put 5+ pounds on in 2 weeks? It may not consist of muscle, but it can be done very simply.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-09-2004, 07:57 PM

LAM · 02-10-2004, 09:02 AM

if the person is new to resistance training AND they had previously been malnurished a weight gain of 30-40 lbs (mostly muscle) is not unheard of.

however for an ATHLETE who has been involved in resistance training for many years those types of results are not seen with out the use of AAS..

seabee · 02-10-2004, 08:41 PM

One says 30+ lbs 1st year. Another says 15 lbs per year. I suck at math but if my numbers are correct, I should have added 100 - 105 lbs of LBM in 6 years. As a natural!

titans1854 · 02-10-2004, 09:38 PM

10 pouns in 5 years? your doin' something wrong.

Pierzin · 02-10-2004, 10:20 PM

I'm with Titans1854. If you're not seeing the results you want, and you want it bad enough, I would see a trainer.

I have been told when bulking you should eat 20x your weight in calories. While everyone is different, because I am usually pretty active and have a physical job anyway, I need 30x my weight in calories.

I know a guy who said he had a 5k calorie diet and still never gained any weight, and he was my size. ???

PreMier · 02-10-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by Pierzin
I know a guy who said he had a 5k calorie diet and still never gained any weight, and he was my size. ???

Whats your size? If its under 200Lbs that is bullshit.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-11-2004, 03:32 PM

not neccessarily premier, some people are just like that

There are a few guys i know that have mecca-fast metabolisms

Like one guy is 6'1" and he only weighs like 130? or less

And he eats like a pig im serious. and he doesnt do any form of exercise, what if he was to weightlift 4 times a week and do 2 cardio sessions a week??? then he'd need like 8000 calories to grow probably

02-07-2004, 10:25 PM	#1
seabee Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 165	30 lbs LBM in 6 months? Try 6 years. I'm natural and so are my gym mates...nobody has put on more than 30-40 lbs LBM in the 6 years I've gone here. Were talkin cut to ripped...LBM. I started as a 165 stick, 6 years ago...now I'm 200 (built, not huge...) at about 12% bf and cutting. This is average (LBM) for most of the "naturals" I know (about 10 of em with varied training styles). I'm tired of reading and hearing the lies, and so are they! Emphasis is on LBM there, waterboy. Flame away....
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02-08-2004, 12:16 AM	#2
Arthur2004 Phat Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 265 Photos: 8	ya but 30 lbs of LBM is alot aswel..... and u can gain more in 6 years if u eat better and stuff and take the right supplements
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02-08-2004, 05:14 AM	#3
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	I have to agree here for the most part. I dont think that most people of normal height can get to be much larger than 220 or 230 or so naturally. Naturally meaning no prohomones either, obviously. This is just in my experience of course, however.
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02-08-2004, 09:21 AM	#4
derekisdman RAWR! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,294	I also tend to agree. Why is it that everywhere you read you see people saying how they gained 30, 40, 50 lbs. of muscle in 3 months, or 6 months when 80% of others take years to do that?
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02-08-2004, 09:57 AM	#6
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	In a little more then two years of working out I put on about 40 pounds. I'm sure alot of it had to do with growing, I probally put on 4 inches.
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02-08-2004, 10:01 AM	#7
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,262 Photos: 2	When im about 25 ill prolly be at the point i want to be i dont know how much ill weigh tho cuz i weigh 200 lbs now (prolly 15-18% bf i guess dunno reallly) but im sure if i were to cut i could get down to 175. Im 16 and 6'1" now, so im hoping to reach 6'3" lol.

02-08-2004, 10:02 AM	#9
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,262 Photos: 2	and everyuone says i have big hand so maybe ill turn out to be 6'3" who knows

02-08-2004, 01:43 PM	#11
derekisdman RAWR! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,294	I'm not talking about 16 year olds mainly, I'm mostly referring to those people who have created programs promising 30-40 lbs. of muscle in a few months time. That kind of thing.
	Homer: Hey! I saved your life! That egg sandwich could have killed you by cholesterol. Lenny: Pfft, forget it, Homer. While it has been established that eggs contain cholesterol, it has not yet been proven conclusively that they actually raise the level of serum cholesterol in the human blood stream.

02-08-2004, 02:17 PM	#13
squanto Fitness Celebrity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cheese Cottage Posts: 1,461	oh... well i did it at 17. it wasnt ALL muscle, but my bench went up about 80 pounds as i put on 30 pounds of weight. so a great deal was muscle. its a lot easier to gain lbs when you weigh 130 than when youre 200, also. this all happened in 3 months. i agree, a lot of these people are having growth spurts.

02-08-2004, 03:34 PM	#14
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	14 shose size, good damn... i know this 13 year old kid, he is about 5"4-5 and he is skinney as hell but wears 14 as a shoe size, damn that look so funny when i see him

02-08-2004, 03:41 PM	#15
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,262 Photos: 2	yeah 14s are big, i just hope i grow into them who knows i may wear 15's some day

02-08-2004, 06:31 PM	#16
seabee Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 165	I know what some of you are saying...20-30 lbs LBM in first year because you are just starting out and you experience explosive gains... ...then when you start to figure all of the elements of training out and begin to train smart and eat correctly, 10 lbs LBM in 5 years. Makes perfect sense!
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02-08-2004, 06:40 PM	#17
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	stupid body, why cant we just pay 39''99 a month for a good body and eat whatever we want...... ohhhhh wait that is possible but only on tv

02-09-2004, 01:43 PM	#18
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	If you're only packin on 30 pounds in 6 years you're doing something wrong. 5 pounds a year?
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camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	I think a reasonable amount of muscle a year would be in the 10-15 lb range for a natural if he is truly dedicated.
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02-09-2004, 04:42 PM	#20
squanto Fitness Celebrity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cheese Cottage Posts: 1,461	what do u think is so absurd about gaining a lot when you first start lifting seabee?? and when it happened to me, it was when i finally started lifting RIGHT, i had been lifting for a long time before that. i cant understand why you call other people liars just because they are seeing better results than you! btw, if i saw only 10 pounds of lbm in 5 years of trianing like i do now, i think i would just give up, or at least try to figure out what im doing wrong.

02-09-2004, 05:13 PM	#21
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	i agree with the guy above me...

02-09-2004, 06:47 PM	#22
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	I can put 5+ pounds on in 2 weeks? It may not consist of muscle, but it can be done very simply.
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02-10-2004, 09:02 AM	#24
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	if the person is new to resistance training AND they had previously been malnurished a weight gain of 30-40 lbs (mostly muscle) is not unheard of. however for an ATHLETE who has been involved in resistance training for many years those types of results are not seen with out the use of AAS..
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02-10-2004, 08:41 PM	#25
seabee Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 165	One says 30+ lbs 1st year. Another says 15 lbs per year. I suck at math but if my numbers are correct, I should have added 100 - 105 lbs of LBM in 6 years. As a natural!
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02-10-2004, 09:38 PM	#26
titans1854 I'm a Berserker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 602	10 pouns in 5 years? your doin' something wrong.

02-10-2004, 10:20 PM	#27
Pierzin training DC style! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 163	move it up a notch I'm with Titans1854. If you're not seeing the results you want, and you want it bad enough, I would see a trainer. I have been told when bulking you should eat 20x your weight in calories. While everyone is different, because I am usually pretty active and have a physical job anyway, I need 30x my weight in calories. I know a guy who said he had a 5k calorie diet and still never gained any weight, and he was my size. ???
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02-11-2004, 03:32 PM	#29
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,262 Photos: 2	not neccessarily premier, some people are just like that There are a few guys i know that have mecca-fast metabolisms Like one guy is 6'1" and he only weighs like 130? or less And he eats like a pig im serious. and he doesnt do any form of exercise, what if he was to weightlift 4 times a week and do 2 cardio sessions a week??? then he'd need like 8000 calories to grow probably