strength or muscle

gr81 · 02-15-2004, 11:57 PM

its all about strength fellas, how an you not wanna lift heavy ass weights. Of course BB is important to me, but the strength is just as big, infact its a bigger goal for me personally. Powerlifting IMO is a much more respectable sport than BB by far. Much more manly of a sport.

firestorm · 02-16-2004, 12:01 AM

I hear that g but still I wouldn't want to be sporting that Mark Henry look. Nope not me.

gr81 · 02-16-2004, 12:17 AM

well that is way too far. that is also kindof the stereotypical powerlifter look, which is a category I don't see alot of new age guys fall under. If I had a chance to be 300lbs, even with a substantial amount of fat on me (maybe like 20% at the most) then I would be all over that shit personally. ha. thats just me thou. I just wanna be a real big strong man when its all said and done, silly little amateaur BB trophies will mean nothing compared to that. ya feel me?

Willdebeast · 02-16-2004, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by BBBoogieWoogie
Why would you want to look strong and not be strong? That's like playing a joke on yourself.

"HA! HA! Look at me, I'm so weak!"

I'd rather look like a string bean, and be able to lift a car over my head.

i lift to look good naked and make females want to have sex with me. I can doc. my progress by looking in the mirror.

firestorm · 02-16-2004, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by gr81
well that is way too far. that is also kindof the stereotypical powerlifter look, which is a category I don't see alot of new age guys fall under. If I had a chance to be 300lbs, even with a substantial amount of fat on me (maybe like 20% at the most) then I would be all over that shit personally. ha. thats just me thou. I just wanna be a real big strong man when its all said and done, silly little amateaur BB trophies will mean nothing compared to that. ya feel me?

I hear you G and I have no problems with that.

DanK · 02-16-2004, 12:55 AM

Personally I'd like to look strong... and be much stronger, and of course I want to look good naked. I don't see how anyone could settle for just looking big... I remember someone posting about how they had seen a pro bb huffing and panting just walking to their gate (while some presumably scrawny twerp carrying that bb's bags is trucking right along like it's no big deal).

Willdebeast · 02-16-2004, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by DanK
Personally I'd like to look strong... and be much stronger, and of course I want to look good naked. I don't see how anyone could settle for just looking big... I remember someone posting about how they had seen a pro bb huffing and panting just walking to their gate (while some presumably scrawny twerp carrying that bb's bags is trucking right along like it's no big deal).

that is some funny shit

JerseyDevil · 02-16-2004, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by firestorm
Personnally I like a good balance. I don't see why I need to choose one over the other. with strength comes size. Now I wouldn't want to be sporting a 42 inch waist just to be able to say I can bench 600. so with that said, I'd rather give up a few hundred pounds on the bench to look good too.

That's what I'm talking about.

SJ69 · 02-16-2004, 06:42 AM

The best way to build a solid foundation of muscle for body building is to consistantly lift heavy weights. Once you have something to work with then you can skulpt it through diet and specialty movements.
Go heavy or go home.

IronSlingah · 02-16-2004, 09:48 AM

If we made a poll about if people would rather look like arnold and keep thier current strength or look like mark henry and be the strongest man in the world (not that mark henry is) i wonder which one would get more votes?

spartan · 02-16-2004, 10:39 AM

Gr8 I agree with what your saying man. Sometimes bodybuilders are waaay to "girly". It is halarious seeing a 250 pound man fretting over a tan.

Vieope · 02-16-2004, 10:54 AM

JerseyDevil · 02-16-2004, 10:54 AM

I'm probably the oldest one here in this group (48). No matter how hard I try, I'm not going to look like Arnold. Shit, even Arnold doesn't look like Arnold anymore. Strength is something I can still acquire, and in fact, I'm stronger now then at any point in my life. So yes strength is important to me. That said, no I don't want to look like Mark Henry. You are missing the point that there ARE powerlifters out there that look fantastic, especially in the lower weight classes.

To expand on what I said before, my goal is to get the best physique I can at my age, but also increase my strength to its maximum potential. I am lucky to have an absolutely gorgeous wife, so my ultimate goal isn't to build a physique just to get laid.

DanK · 02-16-2004, 01:08 PM

I don't think it's a reasonable question when you ask something like... do you want to look like 'insert model here' and be weak or do you want to look like the monster in the closet on those cell phone commercials and be able to lift trucks, walk casually while your victims have to run to barely keep ahead of you, be able to take being blown up, shot hundreds of times, etc in stride so long as people don't bless their bullets or whatever...

This is a body building forum, so naturally everyone here wants to look good (or at least reasonable), the question of where the balance between looking good and strength is the question, and for some people there is no reason they can't do both. I think most people also would want to avoid looking like a pro body builder (at least like the ones of today, as impressive as they are, they certainly aren't attractive). It shouldn't be assumed that just because someone places a lot of value on actual strength that they don't care about how their physique looks. Most powerlifters are probably fueled by the competition, and since they compete with hard numbers it's not necessary to maintain a good looking physique. Maybe a lot of those powerlifters were working on becoming pro body builders, and when their roids broke their dick and they became impetant, they decided looking hot was pretty pointless, and focused on being able to stop a train with one hand while casually untying the girl tied to the tracks with the other....

myCATpowerlifts · 02-16-2004, 03:09 PM

once you stop powerlifting tho, you lose strength very fast, because a lot of strength is from your nervous system

so its like if you dont have thick muscles then they are like not real errr

(that made no sense)....

What i want is to be at about ohhh...10 percent BF year round, and then stay at that BF% and just get stronger from there on out

so basically look almost like a body builder but be much stronger

**CowPimp** · 02-16-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by IronSlingah
If we made a poll about if people would rather look like arnold and keep thier current strength or look like mark henry and be the strongest man in the world (not that mark henry is) i wonder which one would get more votes?

This is a worthless question. Even though some people focus on strength, their muscles will still grow, and their physique will become enhanced by the training. The same holds true for those focusing on mass and physique. They are still going to get stronger as a result, so those situations you presented are damned near impossible.

Flex · 02-16-2004, 03:18 PM

They are both interelated to eachother......

the stronger you get, the bigger your muscles will get.....

but if i could only have one extreme or the other......
gimme Ronnie Coleman's size with Gary Coleman's strength instead of Gary Coleman's size and Ronnie Coleman's strength...

firestorm · 02-16-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by JerseyDevil
That's what I'm talking about.

Yea us Jersey people are well balanced individuals aren't we JD? hahaha

IronSlingah · 02-16-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by CowPimp
This is a worthless question. Even though some people focus on strength, their muscles will still grow, and their physique will become enhanced by the training. The same holds true for those focusing on mass and physique. They are still going to get stronger as a result, so those situations you presented are damned near impossible.

Its a valuble question in relation to the thread.

Heres a better question tho

Would u rather be 6ft 280 with 25% bodyfat and be an olympic caliber powerlifter or 6ft 195 with 6% bodyfat but not really impressive strength?

I made the powerlifter fat because at the olympic level they all are.

**CowPimp** · 02-16-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by IronSlingah
Its a valuble question in relation to the thread.

Heres a better question tho

Would u rather be 6ft 280 with 25% bodyfat and be an olympic caliber powerlifter or 6ft 195 with 6% bodyfat but not really impressive strength?

I made the powerlifter fat because at the olympic level they all are.

I wouldn't want to be either one.

These questions are pointless because most people aren't going for either extreme. If they are, then their answer to the question is obvious. Powerlifters would prefer your first option, and bodybuilders would prefer your second option.

Also, body fat percentage has nothing to do with the level of strength. You can be really strong without much body fat just like you can have a lot of muscle mass without any body fat.

Why does everyone have to argue like one way is unquestionably better than the other way. I want to be strong and have some muscle mass. Is there something wrong with that? Why do I have to choose one over the other?

myCATpowerlifts · 02-16-2004, 06:45 PM

then apparently you havent seen some of the guys in the 160 pound weight class for example...they have very low bf to stay in their weight class

As for me i would have to just go as big as possible, b/c its hard to be in a lower weight class when ur so tall...

PreMier · 02-16-2004, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by gr81
well that is way too far. that is also kindof the stereotypical powerlifter look, which is a category I don't see alot of new age guys fall under. If I had a chance to be 300lbs, even with a substantial amount of fat on me (maybe like 20% at the most) then I would be all over that shit personally. ha. thats just me thou. I just wanna be a real big strong man when its all said and done, silly little amateaur BB trophies will mean nothing compared to that. ya feel me?

Just curious... Do you find it odd that the worlds strongest man, DOES look like a bb, and isnt fat at all?

www.Pudzian.pl

myCATpowerlifts · 02-16-2004, 07:02 PM

and who would that be

PreMier · 02-16-2004, 07:05 PM

Did you click the link there.... Thats him. Mariusz Pudzianowski.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-16-2004, 07:07 PM

oooh, damn taht guy has perfect genetics...

Vieope · 02-16-2004, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
oooh, damn taht guy has perfect genetics...

Correction. He has perfect diet and training plans.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-16-2004, 07:19 PM

oh cmon vieope no one is perfect in anything they do, geez
i cant believe you would use the word perfect (wait a minute thats a microsoft program! i knew it ur bill gates in disguise!)

**P-funk** · 02-16-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Vieope
Correction. He has perfect diet and training plans.

and perfect genetics. I don't care how strict his diet is, how sound his training program is or how much steroids he is taking you can not look like that without perfect genetics. Someone that has normal genetics can do everything that he can and will never look like him no matter how hard they try.

02-15-2004, 11:57 PM	#31
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	its all about strength fellas, how an you not wanna lift heavy ass weights. Of course BB is important to me, but the strength is just as big, infact its a bigger goal for me personally. Powerlifting IMO is a much more respectable sport than BB by far. Much more manly of a sport.
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02-16-2004, 12:17 AM	#33
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	well that is way too far. that is also kindof the stereotypical powerlifter look, which is a category I don't see alot of new age guys fall under. If I had a chance to be 300lbs, even with a substantial amount of fat on me (maybe like 20% at the most) then I would be all over that shit personally. ha. thats just me thou. I just wanna be a real big strong man when its all said and done, silly little amateaur BB trophies will mean nothing compared to that. ya feel me?
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02-16-2004, 10:39 AM	#41
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	Gr8 I agree with what your saying man. Sometimes bodybuilders are waaay to "girly". It is halarious seeing a 250 pound man fretting over a tan.
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02-16-2004, 03:18 PM	#47
Flex FLEXecutioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pomping Iyuhn Posts: 6,278 Photos: 2	They are both interelated to eachother...... the stronger you get, the bigger your muscles will get..... but if i could only have one extreme or the other...... gimme Ronnie Coleman's size with Gary Coleman's strength instead of Gary Coleman's size and Ronnie Coleman's strength...
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02-16-2004, 12:01 AM	#32
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I hear that g but still I wouldn't want to be sporting that Mark Henry look. Nope not me.

02-16-2004, 12:55 AM	#36
DanK Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 196	Personally I'd like to look strong... and be much stronger, and of course I want to look good naked. I don't see how anyone could settle for just looking big... I remember someone posting about how they had seen a pro bb huffing and panting just walking to their gate (while some presumably scrawny twerp carrying that bb's bags is trucking right along like it's no big deal).

02-16-2004, 06:42 AM	#39
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,023 Photos: 1	The best way to build a solid foundation of muscle for body building is to consistantly lift heavy weights. Once you have something to work with then you can skulpt it through diet and specialty movements. Go heavy or go home.

02-16-2004, 09:48 AM	#40
IronSlingah Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 306	If we made a poll about if people would rather look like arnold and keep thier current strength or look like mark henry and be the strongest man in the world (not that mark henry is) i wonder which one would get more votes?

02-16-2004, 10:54 AM	#43
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,180	I'm probably the oldest one here in this group (48). No matter how hard I try, I'm not going to look like Arnold. Shit, even Arnold doesn't look like Arnold anymore. Strength is something I can still acquire, and in fact, I'm stronger now then at any point in my life. So yes strength is important to me. That said, no I don't want to look like Mark Henry. You are missing the point that there ARE powerlifters out there that look fantastic, especially in the lower weight classes. To expand on what I said before, my goal is to get the best physique I can at my age, but also increase my strength to its maximum potential. I am lucky to have an absolutely gorgeous wife, so my ultimate goal isn't to build a physique just to get laid.

02-16-2004, 01:08 PM	#44
DanK Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 196	I don't think it's a reasonable question when you ask something like... do you want to look like 'insert model here' and be weak or do you want to look like the monster in the closet on those cell phone commercials and be able to lift trucks, walk casually while your victims have to run to barely keep ahead of you, be able to take being blown up, shot hundreds of times, etc in stride so long as people don't bless their bullets or whatever... This is a body building forum, so naturally everyone here wants to look good (or at least reasonable), the question of where the balance between looking good and strength is the question, and for some people there is no reason they can't do both. I think most people also would want to avoid looking like a pro body builder (at least like the ones of today, as impressive as they are, they certainly aren't attractive). It shouldn't be assumed that just because someone places a lot of value on actual strength that they don't care about how their physique looks. Most powerlifters are probably fueled by the competition, and since they compete with hard numbers it's not necessary to maintain a good looking physique. Maybe a lot of those powerlifters were working on becoming pro body builders, and when their roids broke their dick and they became impetant, they decided looking hot was pretty pointless, and focused on being able to stop a train with one hand while casually untying the girl tied to the tracks with the other....

02-16-2004, 03:09 PM	#45
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	once you stop powerlifting tho, you lose strength very fast, because a lot of strength is from your nervous system so its like if you dont have thick muscles then they are like not real errr (that made no sense).... What i want is to be at about ohhh...10 percent BF year round, and then stay at that BF% and just get stronger from there on out so basically look almost like a body builder but be much stronger

02-16-2004, 06:45 PM	#51
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	then apparently you havent seen some of the guys in the 160 pound weight class for example...they have very low bf to stay in their weight class As for me i would have to just go as big as possible, b/c its hard to be in a lower weight class when ur so tall...

02-16-2004, 07:02 PM	#53
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	and who would that be

02-16-2004, 07:05 PM	#54
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	Did you click the link there.... Thats him. Mariusz Pudzianowski.
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02-16-2004, 07:07 PM	#55
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	oooh, damn taht guy has perfect genetics...

02-16-2004, 07:19 PM	#57
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	oh cmon vieope no one is perfect in anything they do, geez i cant believe you would use the word perfect (wait a minute thats a microsoft program! i knew it ur bill gates in disguise!)

02-16-2004, 07:21 PM	#59
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