strength or muscle

bigleebull · 02-15-2004, 01:19 PM

What do you prefer.......
Me personally i prefer strength training purely because of my genetics...short legs thick torso.
my pb's are 240 kilo bench,350 kilo squat & 370 kilo d/lift.
I have tried to diet in the past but just lost size & strength.
I am 5'10" weighing 280lbs.
Measurements are waist 40" chest 57" thigh32".
Am new to this forum & hope to get some pics on in the very near future.
I'd really like to hear other members views on their opinions of strength training vs bodybuilding........IS it about genetics?
cheers bigleebull.

spartan · 02-15-2004, 01:33 PM

Strength, muscle looks impressive but is usless unless it is functional.

OmarJackson · 02-15-2004, 01:40 PM

muscle. vanity rules.

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 01:40 PM

Muscle of course. I don´t care if I can´t lift one pound .. if I have nice and symmetric muscles, I will be satisfied.
Don´t forget that it is a bodybuilding forum.

BlueCorsair · 02-15-2004, 01:41 PM

Without resorting to a rant, I'll agree it's genetics. From the research I've done myself, it seems quite clear than each person can only pack on so much lean mass.

Myself, at 5'6 or 5'7, and weighing only 145 pounds with a tiny frame likely will have a rather large challenge hitting say 160 pounds, and 170 is likely way out of potential sight. Size comes slower than strength for me usually - but right now both have stopped increasing

Someone with your big build certainly is proof that size in some cases (more often than some would like to believe) does indeed equate with strength.

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Yeah Buddy!
vanity rules.

Exactly

spartan · 02-15-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Vieope
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Don´t forget that it is a bodybuilding forum.

Read the title of the forum " Bodybuilding & Fitness".

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by spartan
Read the title of the forum " Bodybuilding & Fitness".

Fitness = good psysical condition; being in shape.
That doens´t imply directly strenght. Fitness can be a subjective concept.

You noticed that 99.9% of the ppl here is focused on bodybuilding. Right ? Not strenght.

spartan · 02-15-2004, 02:22 PM

I'm no going to waste time arguing with you. Whatever you think man.

bigleebull · 02-15-2004, 02:23 PM

is strength training not a way of building muscle?
Just because we don't go on stage does'nt mean we are any less dedicated.
Do bodybuilders have pb's?
I lift heavy weights & try to look good at the same time.
Does this exclude me from the iron mag forum?

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by bigleebull
I lift heavy weights & try to look good at the same time.
Does this exclude me from the iron mag forum?

No way .. You are welcome..
What I mean is that bodybuilding is about muscles.

bigleebull · 02-15-2004, 02:36 PM

I agree bodybuilding is about muscles.....mine are probably bigger than most peoples but less defined.
But you cannot argue that the most effective way of building muscle is with high weight low rep programs.
Which leads me back to my original question ........
IS being strong vs having a physically muscular body genetical??

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 02:42 PM

True. Overload is the answer .. as far as high rep or low rep, it depends, read the second question of this article:
http://www.ironmagazine.com/viewarticle-975.html

plouffe · 02-15-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Vieope

You noticed that 99.9% of the ppl here is focused on bodybuilding. Right ? Not strenght.

I totally disagree. Everyone is concerned about strenth to an extent...

JLB001 · 02-15-2004, 03:10 PM

Can I have both please?

**CowPimp** · 02-15-2004, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigleebull
I agree bodybuilding is about muscles.....mine are probably bigger than most peoples but less defined.
But you cannot argue that the most effective way of building muscle is with high weight low rep programs.
Which leads me back to my original question ........
IS being strong vs having a physically muscular body genetical??

Genetics play a role in the types of fibers you contain in your muscles naturally. Genetics do affect whether strength or mass comes easier. However, depending on how you train, you can increase the number of different types of fibers in your muscles and try to alter you genetic predisposition, but it will definitely take more work.

I also think height affects strength/weight ratio. Taller people simply have more bone matter, which adds weight that cannot be reduced or changed short of replacing your bones with carbon fiber...

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
I totally disagree. Everyone is concerned about strenth to an extent...

Really ? Now I am confused.

bigleebull · 02-15-2004, 03:28 PM

I did'nt want to start a war!!!
What is a bodybuilder anyway?
In my mind it is a person wanting to build their own body beyond it's normal limitations.
Whether it is muscular size,strength or physical endurance each individual is different.
A person who sets out to achieve a goal & needs to BUILD their body accordingly to match their needs is indeed a bodybuilder.
The term bodybuilder i feel does not apply to the stereotypical giants of the olympia stage,but to anybody wishing to increase their overall physical & mental wellbeing.

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by bigleebull
I did'nt want to start a war!!!

There is no way back now..

Dictionary definition of bodybuilding - act of lifting weights in order to enlarge muscles.

bigleebull · 02-15-2004, 03:42 PM

dictionary def:bodybuilding=act of lifting weights in order to enlarge muscles,which in turn leads to greater muscle strength.
The bigger a muscle the stronger it is & visa versa.
Doesn't say enlarge muscles to specifically be a bodybuilder!!
The heart is a muscle!!!!!

spartan · 02-15-2004, 03:53 PM

This is a foolish topic to argue about. Vieope I suggest you read more info on body types, muscle fiber composition,exercise complexity,relationship between reps and sets,training levels, loading parameterse for hypertrophy, loading parameters for relative strengthand the list goes on and on. You by your own admission are new to working out. I don't think that a dictionary definition holds much wieght in your arguement.

Vieope · 02-15-2004, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigleebull
dictionary def:bodybuilding=act of lifting weights in order to enlarge muscles,which in turn leads to greater muscle strength.
The bigger a muscle the stronger it is & visa versa.
Doesn't say enlarge muscles to specifically be a bodybuilder!!
The heart is a muscle!!!!!

Strenght and muscle size doesn´t always walk together.

Of course that directly or indirectly, enlarging a muscle generates other things as greater muscle strentgh, or more caloric needs, among other things.

Who is with me that bodybuilding is about muscles ? I never thought that I would be asking this here.

BBBoogieWoogie · 02-15-2004, 04:53 PM

Why would you want to look strong and not be strong? That's like playing a joke on yourself.

"HA! HA! Look at me, I'm so weak!"

I'd rather look like a string bean, and be able to lift a car over my head.

**CowPimp** · 02-15-2004, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vieope
Strenght and muscle size doesn´t always walk together.

Of course that directly or indirectly, enlarging a muscle generates other things as greater muscle strentgh, or more caloric needs, among other things.

Who is with me that bodybuilding is about muscles ? I never thought that I would be asking this here.

I don't feel that bodybuilding is about one or the other. I feel that it is building your body howeer you see fit. Some prefer strength, some prefer mass, some want a little of both. Some was endurance, some want to be more cut, and some just want to be healthier. I'm sure there are other reasons even beyond these...

Skib · 02-15-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
I totally disagree. Everyone is concerned about strenth to an extent...

i agree...

if you were always lifting the same weight you'd have no way of documenting your progress...

sure, you could look at yourself in the mirror, but let's be honest, you're not going to get any bigger lifting the same weight for an extended period of time...

JerseyDevil · 02-15-2004, 08:46 PM

Anyone that can bench close to double their bodyweight is building something!

Welcome to IM Bigleebull.

I'll go on record as saying I'm trying to do both. I do not admire guys who are very defined, and can't lift shit. Likewise, I'm not that impressed with guys who are ultra strong, but just look fat.

Somewhere in between works for me.

IronSlingah · 02-15-2004, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
Anyone that can bench close to double their bodyweight is building something!

Welcome to IM Bigleebull.

I'll go on record as saying I'm trying to do both. I do not admire guys who are very defined, and can't lift shit. Likewise, I'm not that impressed with guys who are ultra strong, but just look fat.

Somewhere in between works for me.

Noway man the opposite sex cares about LOOKS and thats the ultimate reason we were put on this earth... to procreate. Besides you never hear much talk about who the strongest BB is. You always hear about the greatest LOOKING BB such as arnold. Even outside the BB world you only hear about the best LOOKING bodies not the strongest and infact outside of professional athletes and people that make their money by being strong and fit (Law enforcement, millitary, etc) not much people care how much they can lift if they look good.

**CowPimp** · 02-16-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by IronSlingah
Noway man the opposite sex cares about LOOKS and thats the ultimate reason we were put on this earth... to procreate. Besides you never hear much talk about who the strongest BB is. You always hear about the greatest LOOKING BB such as arnold. Even outside the BB world you only hear about the best LOOKING bodies not the strongest and infact outside of professional athletes and people that make their money by being strong and fit (Law enforcement, millitary, etc) not much people care how much they can lift if they look good.

Obviously this is wrong because half of the people or more responding to this thread seem to be concerned with strength somewhat.

firestorm · 02-16-2004, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yeah Buddy!
muscle. vanity rules.

hahahaha that is funny sheit.

02-15-2004, 01:19 PM	#1
bigleebull Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: united kingdom Posts: 10	strength or muscle What do you prefer....... Me personally i prefer strength training purely because of my genetics...short legs thick torso. my pb's are 240 kilo bench,350 kilo squat & 370 kilo d/lift. I have tried to diet in the past but just lost size & strength. I am 5'10" weighing 280lbs. Measurements are waist 40" chest 57" thigh32". Am new to this forum & hope to get some pics on in the very near future. I'd really like to hear other members views on their opinions of strength training vs bodybuilding........IS it about genetics? cheers bigleebull.

02-15-2004, 01:33 PM	#2
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	Strength, muscle looks impressive but is usless unless it is functional.
	Hell Week is only 6 months away.

02-15-2004, 01:40 PM	#3
OmarJackson Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 299	muscle. vanity rules.
	Foreman_Rules could masturbate with one hand and finger his own anus with the other at the same time. he is proud of this fact.

02-15-2004, 01:40 PM	#4
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,863 Photos: 10	Muscle of course. I don´t care if I can´t lift one pound .. if I have nice and symmetric muscles, I will be satisfied. Don´t forget that it is a bodybuilding forum.
	FURtherness

02-15-2004, 01:41 PM	#5
BlueCorsair The Blue Corsair Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 292 Photos: 3	Without resorting to a rant, I'll agree it's genetics. From the research I've done myself, it seems quite clear than each person can only pack on so much lean mass. Myself, at 5'6 or 5'7, and weighing only 145 pounds with a tiny frame likely will have a rather large challenge hitting say 160 pounds, and 170 is likely way out of potential sight. Size comes slower than strength for me usually - but right now both have stopped increasing Someone with your big build certainly is proof that size in some cases (more often than some would like to believe) does indeed equate with strength.
	"Associate yourself with men of good character, if you esteem your own reputation. For 'tis better to be alone, than in bad company." - George Washington

02-15-2004, 02:22 PM	#9
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	I'm no going to waste time arguing with you. Whatever you think man.
	Hell Week is only 6 months away.

02-15-2004, 02:23 PM	#10
bigleebull Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: united kingdom Posts: 10	is strength training not a way of building muscle? Just because we don't go on stage does'nt mean we are any less dedicated. Do bodybuilders have pb's? I lift heavy weights & try to look good at the same time. Does this exclude me from the iron mag forum?

02-15-2004, 02:36 PM	#12
bigleebull Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: united kingdom Posts: 10	I agree bodybuilding is about muscles.....mine are probably bigger than most peoples but less defined. But you cannot argue that the most effective way of building muscle is with high weight low rep programs. Which leads me back to my original question ........ IS being strong vs having a physically muscular body genetical??

02-15-2004, 02:42 PM	#13
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,863 Photos: 10	True. Overload is the answer .. as far as high rep or low rep, it depends, read the second question of this article: http://www.ironmagazine.com/viewarticle-975.html
	FURtherness

02-15-2004, 03:10 PM	#15
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	Can I have both please?
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02-15-2004, 03:28 PM	#18
bigleebull Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: united kingdom Posts: 10	I did'nt want to start a war!!! What is a bodybuilder anyway? In my mind it is a person wanting to build their own body beyond it's normal limitations. Whether it is muscular size,strength or physical endurance each individual is different. A person who sets out to achieve a goal & needs to BUILD their body accordingly to match their needs is indeed a bodybuilder. The term bodybuilder i feel does not apply to the stereotypical giants of the olympia stage,but to anybody wishing to increase their overall physical & mental wellbeing.

02-15-2004, 03:42 PM	#20
bigleebull Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: united kingdom Posts: 10	dictionary def:bodybuilding=act of lifting weights in order to enlarge muscles,which in turn leads to greater muscle strength. The bigger a muscle the stronger it is & visa versa. Doesn't say enlarge muscles to specifically be a bodybuilder!! The heart is a muscle!!!!!

02-15-2004, 03:53 PM	#21
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	This is a foolish topic to argue about. Vieope I suggest you read more info on body types, muscle fiber composition,exercise complexity,relationship between reps and sets,training levels, loading parameterse for hypertrophy, loading parameters for relative strengthand the list goes on and on. You by your own admission are new to working out. I don't think that a dictionary definition holds much wieght in your arguement.
	Hell Week is only 6 months away.

02-15-2004, 04:53 PM	#23
BBBoogieWoogie Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD Posts: 8	Why would you want to look strong and not be strong? That's like playing a joke on yourself. "HA! HA! Look at me, I'm so weak!" I'd rather look like a string bean, and be able to lift a car over my head.

02-15-2004, 08:46 PM	#26
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,181	Anyone that can bench close to double their bodyweight is building something! Welcome to IM Bigleebull. I'll go on record as saying I'm trying to do both. I do not admire guys who are very defined, and can't lift shit. Likewise, I'm not that impressed with guys who are ultra strong, but just look fat. Somewhere in between works for me.