Why do you need strength ?

**Dale Mabry** · 02-17-2004, 07:37 AM

That's not a BBer, that's a slacker. Although that may just be semantics as well.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 09:50 AM

i agree with everyone who said that strength is important to BBing as well as power lifting

being huge, but whimpy is the worst thing i could ever think of in this type of category

It just not cool...and no one can lift light weights forever and get big so there

bigleebull · 02-17-2004, 12:53 PM

hi guy's been away for a couple of days but i'm back & glad to see i caused a healthy debate.
Of course strength is important to bbing & powerlifting & many other sports alike,also in everday life.
A cople of guy's go to my gym they look the part in their tight vests.I'll admit they look good...people do stare but when it comes to lifting HA! i've seen em struggle with a 200lb bench press.
No matter what sport your into everybody IS a little obssessed with strength.

Premo55 · 02-17-2004, 02:00 PM

Vieope, I think I would choose the first option. I think one of the greatest things bodybuilding has given me is discipline and an empowering feeling of control over my diet and regimen. I love it, and wouldn't trade the mental grit I've developed from bodybuilding for anything. So yeah, I wouldn't choose the slacker option. Also, I absolutely love the challenge of trying to top my previous deadlift attempt/full squat attempt, etc., it makes things interesting for me. If you removed the element of challenge I think I'd likely lose interest.

Peace.

**Prince** · 02-17-2004, 02:11 PM

Not sure anyone understood my point, especially gr81.

Strength in and of itself is irrelavant within the context of bodybuilding and the goal of a bodybuilder, which is competing, meaning it makes no difference if I bench 400 and the guy standing next to me at a show benches 375, in fact he may even have a bigger chest! That is my point. Whereas in a powerlifting meet if I bench 400 and the next guy only benches 375 I win!

Understand?

Furthermore, I may very well decide to do 5 sets of 10 reps on squats my next leg work-out, and from a bodybuilding standpoint it will be a productive work-out, from a powerlifting standpoint it will be virtually worthless.

Two completely different goals, and two different training methods are used with a bodybuilder and a powerlifter.

For chest I may do some inclines dumbbell flyes my next chest work-out. I hardly doubt a powerlifter would do dumbbell incline flyes, they typically only do major compound movements, i.e. flat bench press. That is all they care about, how much they can bench, whether or not they have a fully developed set of pecs is irrelevant to them.

I cannot make my point any clearer than that.

oh also, if you are a bodybuilder, or if that is your goal, and you're focusing on how much you can bench and squat, and how to increase those lifts, you're not going to get very far as a bodybuilder.

iron jock · 02-17-2004, 02:12 PM

building strength is part of the bodybuilding process, or at lease it is to me. I lift because I want to get stronger and faster. Beside who the hell wants someone else lifting their stuff because they don't have the strength to do it themselves. My friends call me the human forklift for a reason.

**Prince** · 02-17-2004, 02:14 PM

gaining strength is an indirect result of bodybuilding, it is NOT the goal of bodybuilding, and getting faster sure the hell has nothing to do with bodybuilding.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 03:35 PM

having huge muscles is all good and well

but if your muscles look big enough to do 600 pound bench but you can only do 250...Its "fake muscle"

thats just how i feel

We have muscles to lift things, muscles are meant to be strong not just big

thats just how i feel

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 03:41 PM

There is no fake muscle. It is muscle or it is not muscle.
Well, synthol is fake

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
I cannot make my point any clearer than that.

Don´t worry, I think/hope that everybody understood the concept.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 03:44 PM

fake muscle is just pumped up flesh

if it doesnt serve any real purpose then, its just as bad as fat

well not that bad

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
if it doesnt serve any real purpose then, its just as bad as fat

Are you insane ?
Did you forget the main reason why most ppl lift weights?
To look attractive.
How can you forget about vanity ? lol

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 03:54 PM

i didnt mean it to that degree but u know what i mean

If you are a pretty lean and weigh 225

then u sure as hell better bench 400+!!!

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
i didnt mean it to that degree but u know what i mean

Yeah, I know

For a minute I thought that you forgot about vanity... don´t scare me like that.

**Prince** · 02-17-2004, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
fake muscle is just pumped up flesh

if it doesnt serve any real purpose then, its just as bad as fat

well not that bad

you make absolutely no sense, I am done with this debate.

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
you make absolutely no sense, I am done with this debate.

Lol , don´t let it get to you.

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
you make absolutely no sense, I am done with this debate.

oh cmon Prince!

You can be silly and foolish with us too sometimes...

spartan · 02-17-2004, 05:36 PM

Quoted from Vieope-

"Why do you need strength ? Unless you are a professional fighter or a powerliflter, you rarely use strength.
The world out there today is about brain power and how sexy you look. I wonder if one day it was different."

Are you refering to a professional fighter as a Soldier??, or a Cop??, how about a Firefighter??. All of these jobs require a person not to look fit and strong but to be fit and strong. I am a professional Soldier and it is my job to carry up to 200 lbs of kit into battle for up to 20 kilometers. That is why I prefer strength to looks. I have no problems with bobdybuilder's what so ever but I find such a vain and selfabsorbed sport to be rather sickening. Granted a lot of BB's have great insight into training and nutrition. I sometimes wonder what kind of society we live in when a man is judged by his looks over his actions. Just my 2 cents.

HoldDaMayo · 02-17-2004, 05:54 PM

Mycat and vieope...

The point is not to have "fake flesh" but that your muscular development is the priority of a BB'er... not how much you lift...

If your mind/muscle connection is good... you can develop extremely well with less weight... so while you might not be able to lift 500 on bench, you might have great form, good focus, no injuries, and excellent tri's, delts, and chest...

Excluding synthol... you will never see a BIG guy, who isn't strong... but the difference between a 550lb bench and a 600lb bench to a bodybuilder is nothing to be concerned with...

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
Mycat and vieope...

Why did you include me ? I am the one defending that strenght is only a consequence.

HoldDaMayo · 02-17-2004, 06:00 PM

because talking in italics automatically makes you guilty... don't play innocent

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spartan
I find such a vain and selfabsorbed sport to be rather sickening. Granted a lot of BB's have great insight into training and nutrition. I sometimes wonder what kind of society we live in when a man is judged by his looks over his actions. Just my 2 cents.

I don´t judge somebody character by their looks.
However, I prefer really beautiful woman.

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
because talking in italics automatically makes you guilty... don't play innocent

Huh ?

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 06:06 PM

hahahah

Italics, yep he must be guilty

Vieope · 02-17-2004, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
hahahah

Italics, yep he must be guilty

Can somebody explain me this new theory ?

myCATpowerlifts · 02-17-2004, 06:10 PM

i dont have a clue...
its funny tho
italics all the time...sneaky-ish
MWAAHAHAHHAAH
youve obviously got something to hide, you sneaky sneakster

titans1854 · 02-17-2004, 06:10 PM

rather be a bodybuilder than a power lifter

HoldDaMayo · 02-17-2004, 06:11 PM

well, I have to be honest... Italics on their own don't make someone guilty... BUT... Italics+half-Human bunny rabits? c'mon, you might as well write GUILTY across your forehead....

02-17-2004, 07:37 AM	#31
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,844 Photos: 10	That's not a BBer, that's a slacker. Although that may just be semantics as well.
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02-17-2004, 02:00 PM	#34
Premo55 Mic Murderer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,059	Vieope, I think I would choose the first option. I think one of the greatest things bodybuilding has given me is discipline and an empowering feeling of control over my diet and regimen. I love it, and wouldn't trade the mental grit I've developed from bodybuilding for anything. So yeah, I wouldn't choose the slacker option. Also, I absolutely love the challenge of trying to top my previous deadlift attempt/full squat attempt, etc., it makes things interesting for me. If you removed the element of challenge I think I'd likely lose interest. Peace.
	T DOT O.

02-17-2004, 02:11 PM	#35
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,736 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Not sure anyone understood my point, especially gr81. Strength in and of itself is irrelavant within the context of bodybuilding and the goal of a bodybuilder, which is competing, meaning it makes no difference if I bench 400 and the guy standing next to me at a show benches 375, in fact he may even have a bigger chest! That is my point. Whereas in a powerlifting meet if I bench 400 and the next guy only benches 375 I win! Understand? Furthermore, I may very well decide to do 5 sets of 10 reps on squats my next leg work-out, and from a bodybuilding standpoint it will be a productive work-out, from a powerlifting standpoint it will be virtually worthless. Two completely different goals, and two different training methods are used with a bodybuilder and a powerlifter. For chest I may do some inclines dumbbell flyes my next chest work-out. I hardly doubt a powerlifter would do dumbbell incline flyes, they typically only do major compound movements, i.e. flat bench press. That is all they care about, how much they can bench, whether or not they have a fully developed set of pecs is irrelevant to them. I cannot make my point any clearer than that. oh also, if you are a bodybuilder, or if that is your goal, and you're focusing on how much you can bench and squat, and how to increase those lifts, you're not going to get very far as a bodybuilder.
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02-17-2004, 02:12 PM	#36
iron jock Time to get Brutal Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada, Alberta Posts: 134	building strength is part of the bodybuilding process, or at lease it is to me. I lift because I want to get stronger and faster. Beside who the hell wants someone else lifting their stuff because they don't have the strength to do it themselves. My friends call me the human forklift for a reason.
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02-17-2004, 02:14 PM	#37
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,736 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	gaining strength is an indirect result of bodybuilding, it is NOT the goal of bodybuilding, and getting faster sure the hell has nothing to do with bodybuilding.
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02-17-2004, 09:50 AM	#32
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	i agree with everyone who said that strength is important to BBing as well as power lifting being huge, but whimpy is the worst thing i could ever think of in this type of category It just not cool...and no one can lift light weights forever and get big so there

02-17-2004, 12:53 PM	#33
bigleebull Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: united kingdom Posts: 10	hi guy's been away for a couple of days but i'm back & glad to see i caused a healthy debate. Of course strength is important to bbing & powerlifting & many other sports alike,also in everday life. A cople of guy's go to my gym they look the part in their tight vests.I'll admit they look good...people do stare but when it comes to lifting HA! i've seen em struggle with a 200lb bench press. No matter what sport your into everybody IS a little obssessed with strength.

02-17-2004, 03:35 PM	#38
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	having huge muscles is all good and well but if your muscles look big enough to do 600 pound bench but you can only do 250...Its "fake muscle" thats just how i feel We have muscles to lift things, muscles are meant to be strong not just big thats just how i feel

02-17-2004, 03:41 PM	#39
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,827 Photos: 10	There is no fake muscle. It is muscle or it is not muscle. Well, synthol is fake
	FURtherness

02-17-2004, 03:44 PM	#41
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	fake muscle is just pumped up flesh if it doesnt serve any real purpose then, its just as bad as fat well not that bad

02-17-2004, 03:54 PM	#43
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	i didnt mean it to that degree but u know what i mean If you are a pretty lean and weigh 225 then u sure as hell better bench 400+!!!

02-17-2004, 05:36 PM	#48
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	Re: Why do you need strength ? Quoted from Vieope- "Why do you need strength ? Unless you are a professional fighter or a powerliflter, you rarely use strength. The world out there today is about brain power and how sexy you look. I wonder if one day it was different." Are you refering to a professional fighter as a Soldier??, or a Cop??, how about a Firefighter??. All of these jobs require a person not to look fit and strong but to be fit and strong. I am a professional Soldier and it is my job to carry up to 200 lbs of kit into battle for up to 20 kilometers. That is why I prefer strength to looks. I have no problems with bobdybuilder's what so ever but I find such a vain and selfabsorbed sport to be rather sickening. Granted a lot of BB's have great insight into training and nutrition. I sometimes wonder what kind of society we live in when a man is judged by his looks over his actions. Just my 2 cents. Last edited by spartan : 02-17-2004 at 05:51 PM.
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02-17-2004, 05:54 PM	#49
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	Mycat and vieope... The point is not to have "fake flesh" but that your muscular development is the priority of a BB'er... not how much you lift... If your mind/muscle connection is good... you can develop extremely well with less weight... so while you might not be able to lift 500 on bench, you might have great form, good focus, no injuries, and excellent tri's, delts, and chest... Excluding synthol... you will never see a BIG guy, who isn't strong... but the difference between a 550lb bench and a 600lb bench to a bodybuilder is nothing to be concerned with...
	Are you kidding me????

02-17-2004, 06:00 PM	#51
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	because talking in italics automatically makes you guilty... don't play innocent
	Are you kidding me????

02-17-2004, 06:06 PM	#54
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	hahahah Italics, yep he must be guilty

02-17-2004, 06:10 PM	#56
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	i dont have a clue... its funny tho italics all the time...sneaky-ish MWAAHAHAHHAAH youve obviously got something to hide, you sneaky sneakster

02-17-2004, 06:10 PM	#57
titans1854 I'm a Berserker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 602	rather be a bodybuilder than a power lifter

02-17-2004, 06:11 PM	#58
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	well, I have to be honest... Italics on their own don't make someone guilty... BUT... Italics+half-Human bunny rabits? c'mon, you might as well write GUILTY across your forehead....
	Are you kidding me????