Thread: Major muscle growth through fusion of ...

Hey cytrix, I don't know what the heck your talking about but it sounds interesting. Can you explain this more in depth so us people can understand what your talking about? Thanks

The Game

Vince Gironda was the first to show people that you gain strenght much more quickly by concentrating on the 'negative' part of an exercise.

you are not supposed to stop working out using a controlled and slower eccentric movement alltogether. this definitely is important for hypertrophy in general, but it's regarding the type 2a muscle fibers. but there are type 2b's which are very low in stress resistance and those damaged fibers will either be REMOVED = MUSCLE LOSS or FUSE WITH SATTELITE CELLS TO BECOME BIG FIBERS CALLED 2C = MUSCLE GAIN. it's true that eccentric trauma is very efficient for 2a hypertrophy, but to get those 2c fibers (instead of loosing 2b's) you have to train sometimes without eccentric stress. this is supposed to be the newest research.

i was thinking it might be good to alternate between a highly traumatic workout and these low traumatic ones, i mean you have to switch up anyway to avoid overtraining. i don't know if it may be better to go low traumatic for a couple of weeks in a row though.

so basically what you are saying is that you should focus more on the negatives of the rep for every workout and this way you will get better results, right?

Originally posted by THE_GAME
so basically what you are saying is that you should focus more on the negatives of the rep for every workout and this way you will get better results, right?

no, just the opposite, to get that fusion of 2b's with sattelite cells into much bigger 2c's you have to avoid the eccentric part as much as possible. fred hatfield incorperates those type of workouts in his training. it's known as the abc workout.
workout c = highly traumatic/focus on eccentric movement (lower the weight very slow)/giantsets
workout b = moderate/avoid eccentric part as much as possible
workout a = lite/avoid eccentric part as much as possible

this is just one way to incorparate this into a periodirized routine. i personally don't like doing giant sets. i thought of doing this non traumatic (avoiding eccentric part) as one of my inbetween high intensity workouts for recovery and possibly this 2c fusion. i just don't know if it will work if done only sporadically, or if you would have to do it for like 2 weeks in a row or so.

2c's, satellite cells, i feel like your talking another language dude. Can you just explain it in plain english bro.

From what I'm gathering you're saying that eliminating the eccentric portion of a lift is a good thing and eccentric contractions are a bad thing?
If so I think that is a bunch of nonsense.

This may sound like a dumb question but how are you going to avoid essentric movement? I look at flat BB bench, are you going to almost allow the weight to drop on your chest? I've seen a guy do this but he wasn't all there either.

Originally posted by Maki Riddington
From what I'm gathering you're saying that eliminating the eccentric portion of a lift is a good thing and eccentric contractions are a bad thing?
If so I think that is a bunch of nonsense.

no that's not what i was saying! Of course eccentrics are the most intense for muscle growth, but there is another way to train IN ADDITION/ALTERNATION WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO TRAIN WITH LOW INTENSITY anyhow, to avoid overtraining, and this might be a good way to do it, while still getting a benefit you otherwise would not get, get it???

so your saying to use less intensity to avoid overtraining?