Thread: Do you go for the pain ?

I dont know about pain, but the burning sensation and more importantly failure. Hell ya

I like pain

It makes pleasure that much more enjoyable

Pain/burn to me is essential it signifies when I've reached my limit...and I usually try to push out one more rep when it becomes completely unbearable.



I also like hot wax and closepins on my nipples....oops wrong thread.

why would you just go in there and go through the motions like that? If you are gonna do that then just stay home

I to keep my rep range at the low end - Usually 6-8. I do not get a burn most of the time with multi joint moves. I tend to get a burn with isolation exercises (preacher curls, leg extensions, tricep press). However, when I super set I definately get the burn. I always go to failure, and on the second exercise of a super set I almost always will get a burn. I just go until I cannot do another rep with good form. It really does not matter to me if it is 1 or 5 reps after the burn starts, I go till I cannot do another rep.

I think that I am doing the right thing in the gym. If I knew that pain/burn were good for me, I would do it.
I started this thread to see everybody opnions on this subject, since we discussed this in the "superset" thread and couldn´t agree on that.

If you keep your reps low and are going more for power (4-8reps) you will likely not get much of a burn or pump and thats normal. Doesn't mean your not building muscle. But I like to change things like Gopro's program. One week everything is low reps, next week is little higher reps going for pump, and the next is all supersets and dropsets going for pump and burn, then back to low reps. Hits your muscles so many different ways and I'm always sore after workouts now. Another thing to help with weights in the 6-8 rep range is to slow down the negative portion of the lift. But no matter what rep range I'm in, I ALWAYS go to failure if I'm training that muscle group only once a week

what is training to "failure"? is that when u absolutely cant do another rep?

Correct Lil. And even then if you have a partner I like on the last set of an exercise to do a couple forced reps where your partner helps you get the weight up.

I get the burn more if I am doing a higher number of repititions (8-10). However, when I do under 8 repititions I usually don't feel the burn quite so much. It also depends highly on the exercise I do. For example, I definitely feel the burn when I'm doing dumbells flys, but I hardly feel it when I do a flat barbell benchpress.

any help with working to "failure"?

Originally posted by rock4832
Correct Lil. And even then if you have a partner I like on the last set of an exercise to do a couple forced reps where your partner helps you get the weight up.

Thats your answer right there... What else do you wanna know?

I know exactly what V is talking about. When i do PL type workouts, ie like 6 sets of singles on DL resting like 2-3 min between sets, you don't really break a sweat too much and you don't breathe hard...but you sure do scream when lifting that shit!

Originally posted by Yanick
I know exactly what V is talking about. When i do PL type workouts, ie like 6 sets of singles on DL resting like 2-3 min between sets, you don't really break a sweat too much and you don't breathe hard...but you sure do scream when lifting that shit!

Exactly

Originally posted by PreMier
Thats your answer right there... What else do you wanna know?

I wanna know what causes failure, lack of glycogen in the muscle??... excess of latic acid .. ?? What is the scientific reason for failure ?

Originally posted by Vieope
I wanna know what causes failure, lack of glycogen in the muscle??... excess of latic acid .. ?? What is the scientific reason for failure ?

Noone knows exactly why but the prime theory right now is the CNS failes way before the muscles do (thats what starting bringing back the cumulative fatigue workouts, like 5x5 or GVT {10x10})

Originally posted by Yanick
Noone knows exactly why but the prime theory right now is the CNS failes way before the muscles do (thats what starting bringing back the cumulative fatigue workouts, like 5x5 or GVT {10x10})

I wish I had amnesia, maybe that way my CNS wouldn´t crash.

Is that the only theory for failure ?

Originally posted by Vieope
Do you go for the pain ??

course....whats the problem?

Originally posted by Flex
course....whats the problem?

I don´t think it is necessary.
I want that somebody with more knowledge would prove me that I am wrong.

I believe there is also lactic acid and in general 'waste' buildup, not enough substrate to fuel contraction (being weak when low carbing), and something i learned recently in a class that i am taking for work (so i can't really provide any ref's or anything its just what we are taught) is that on the eccentric part of the muscle contraction your myosin heads are being ripped off (i guess that is what everyone refers to as the muscle tears, micro tears etc) when lifting heavy weight, so i guess after a while you're muscle aren't able to contract as forcefully because of less myosin heads.

When you say rip off the "myosin heads", does it mean forever ? or just during the "failure" period ?

I mean they rip off and then they are grown back "stronger/smarter" (ie your body adapts to the stimulus)

Originally posted by Yanick
I mean they rip off and then they are grown back "stronger/smarter" (ie your body adapts to the stimulus)

I just understood now what was myosin heads

I need to buy some books.