TP's Taking Testers: Tri-Phase Progressive Training

jaim91 · 05-08-2004, 05:33 AM

What day does next week's article article come out? Will you be posting a url (please)? What is the mind and muscle website?

PreMier · 05-10-2004, 04:25 PM

Comes out this thursday or friday. It will be on avantlabs.com

jaim91 · 05-11-2004, 05:22 AM

Thanks!

PreMier · 05-11-2004, 05:01 PM

Your welcome, I will send you a link when I see that its up

Twin Peak · 05-14-2004, 08:05 AM

Its available.

Twin Peak · 05-14-2004, 11:45 AM

That's issue 14.

The current is issue 19:

http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/main.php?issueID=19

Rocco32 · 05-14-2004, 11:58 AM

Nice article TP!

Twin Peak · 05-14-2004, 04:34 PM

Thanks.

jaim91 · 05-14-2004, 05:14 PM

Wow...!

Twin Peak · 05-19-2004, 07:52 AM

Comments?

PreMier · 05-19-2004, 04:05 PM

Yea, im fucking sore!

I just started Phase II, and on back day, doing deadlifts I noticed that my quads are still VERY sore from Phase I. Is this normal? Its not really a muscle soreness, I feel it in my bones(thats what it feels like).

Great article BTW

Monolith · 05-19-2004, 06:11 PM

This is probably a newb question, but...

Why does TP-PT work? I mean, what makes hypertrophy "store up" during each phase, only to "explode" during the recovery/deloading weeks?

Howd you come up with the approach, anyway? And whats the significance of prolonged periods of overtraining? Could you get similar results doing high volume/frequency one week, and then low volume/frequency the next?

Twin Peak · 05-20-2004, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Why does TP-PT work? I mean, what makes hypertrophy "store up" during each phase, only to "explode" during the recovery/deloading weeks?

It does not "store up" as you put it. Rather, the final stages of overreaching (overtraining) will cause extreme muscular and CNS fatigue, and growth will be supress. If you continued in this fashion, it would become very detrimental.

During the recovery and deloading phase, the muscles will recover, and growth will result.

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith Howd you come up with the approach, anyway?

Honestly, I have played with parts of this for years. Then one day, it just sort of hit me, and I scribbled it all down. Then I played with it on a personal basis and tweaked it some. Then I took 3-4 folks to give it a dry run, and we tweaked it a bunch. Now there are about 20+ people about halfway through, that have not cause me to tweak it, but have (mostly) confirmed what I believed/expected to be true. There insight has also refined my thinking some, especially on how it can and should be tailored to the individual.

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith And whats the significance of prolonged periods of overtraining? Could you get similar results doing high volume/frequency one week, and then low volume/frequency the next?

No, I don't belive so. Its the progressive overload that is key to the body's adaptation, hence the name of the program.

Interesting questions though.

Twin Peak · 06-18-2004, 07:57 AM

FYI. Part 2 of this article and the remainer of the program is now available.

BuzzU · 06-18-2004, 01:38 PM

Thanks for keeping us updated TP

PreMier · 06-18-2004, 04:30 PM

What will the third installment of the article contain?

Twin Peak · 06-18-2004, 04:44 PM

Read this one and it will tell you.

PreMier · 06-18-2004, 04:47 PM

Yea, I skimmed it

jaim91 · 06-19-2004, 07:09 AM

May I please have the URL of the website where 1 and 2 are posted?

Novo · 06-19-2004, 07:26 AM

You surely may

Mind&Muscle is Avant's online magazine, you'll find it at www.mindandmuscle.net (worth spending time reading around the archives too, much useful info there)

TP's articles are in the current issue, and the one before. Link to Part II is here:
TP-PT Part II

jaim91 · 06-20-2004, 07:18 AM

That's the money shot...thank you!

jaim91 · 06-20-2004, 07:29 AM

TP - I don't know whether you're going to check the thread or not, but I have a question. I don't have Microsoft Excel on my computer. Is there another progra, I can use to open the links to your works outs? Or is it possible for you to send them to me using another form? Thanks

**CowPimp** · 06-20-2004, 03:44 PM

Very intriguing program. I don't think I could do those 50-some set workouts multiple days a week like that, but still interesting nonetheless. I am considering trying a condensed version of this program in the future. However, I want to give P-RR-S a little time once I start bulking again before I consider another training protocol. I hope it garners much success for those who follow it.

Twin Peak · 06-20-2004, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaim91

TP - I don't know whether you're going to check the thread or not, but I have a question. I don't have Microsoft Excel on my computer. Is there another progra, I can use to open the links to your works outs? Or is it possible for you to send them to me using another form? Thanks

Have you been able to see it yet?

jaim91 · 06-21-2004, 07:22 AM

Ya, I did go to both the website, but my computer doesn't have spreadsheet and can't open *.xls documents, so I couldn't get the progress chart, or the other ones that are on (I think) the second installment

TheChosen1 · 07-05-2004, 03:55 PM

Hi, this is a question for Twin Peak... or anyone that knows the science behind TP-PT.
Is there a specific scientific reason for the order of the 3 phases in TP-PT? for example, will my results be worse if I progressed in volume in phase 1, progressed in freqeuncy in phase 2, and intensity in phase 3? or is there a special reason for the phases.
And another question please. I am a strong believer in training each muscle group with many exercises. (ex. Id rather do 2 sets of 4 exercises, than 4 sets of 2 exercises. I belive this way my muscles will be hit from every angle for more fullness, and definition)
... so the question is: in Phase 1, since there are so few exercises for each bodypart, can i add some exercises? and if im going to add exercises, can I train 6 days a week in phase 1, instead of 4 days, just to distribute the volume equality?
Thanks, please answer ASAP

KillerAbz · 07-06-2004, 09:40 AM

Interesting...

Twin Peak · 07-12-2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheChosen1

Hi, this is a question for Twin Peak... or anyone that knows the science behind TP-PT.
Is there a specific scientific reason for the order of the 3 phases in TP-PT? for example, will my results be worse if I progressed in volume in phase 1, progressed in freqeuncy in phase 2, and intensity in phase 3? or is there a special reason for the phases.
And another question please. I am a strong believer in training each muscle group with many exercises. (ex. Id rather do 2 sets of 4 exercises, than 4 sets of 2 exercises. I belive this way my muscles will be hit from every angle for more fullness, and definition)
... so the question is: in Phase 1, since there are so few exercises for each bodypart, can i add some exercises? and if im going to add exercises, can I train 6 days a week in phase 1, instead of 4 days, just to distribute the volume equality?
Thanks, please answer ASAP

Sorry, I just got back from vacation.

1) The order isn't particularly important, but I believe the order selected would be optimal.

2) You can add in exercises, but with the Volume Phase that won't work well at all, sorry.

TheChosen1 · 07-12-2004, 12:13 PM

Thanks alot for the answers Twin Peak.
The reason I asked about the eorder of the phases is because I found this article on the web, which seemed to make alot of sence, and I'll quote what I read there:
"Weight training components (intensity, duration, frequency) are somewhat inversely proportionate to one another (I*D*F). This model suggests if one component is decreased, increasing one or both of the other components may make up for this loss... Intensity is the least forgiving of the three components, if intensity is decreased for a time, strength and muscle mass gains will likely deteriorate. Increasing frequency or duration can not make up for a decrease of intensity. Furthermore, intensity will be unintentionally decreased if duration is too great. Each additional set or exercise performed in a workout decreases the amount of weight that can be used. If someone is aware they have yet several sets and many exercises to perform, they will hold back and not put full effort early in the workout... A progressive intensity program seems to be the key factor in strength development, and consequentially muscle building".
(http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/L...eTraining.html)
If that

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jaim91 Ms. Olympia Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,484 Photos: 16	May I please have the URL of the website where 1 and 2 are posted?

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jaim91 Ms. Olympia Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,484 Photos: 16	TP - I don't know whether you're going to check the thread or not, but I have a question. I don't have Microsoft Excel on my computer. Is there another progra, I can use to open the links to your works outs? Or is it possible for you to send them to me using another form? Thanks

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