Mixing Martial Arts w/weight training w/o overtraining....

Arith · 04-21-2004, 10:34 AM

Hi guys. Ive been back to lifting heavy for about 2 months now and have made some very good, steady gains. My main goal is strength gain because i am a police officer and i feel it is important for my safety at work.

Last week i began training in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). An officer i work with runs a MMA gym called Straight Blast Gym and it has a great reputation. I began to train w/them because it is something that will get me into great shape and its also something that would be good for my safety at work.

The training sessions are incredibly intense w/live drills and full contact sparing and wrestling for 2 hours on tuesdays and thursdays. I also have been working out w/weights monday, wensday and friday. I had training last night and today i am very very sore. I dont want to overtrain or injure myself so i was thinking of doing weights 2 times a week. I figure my legs are getting enough of a workout during the training to maintain or gain strength in them. I was considering doing the following:

Monday: Chest/Shoulders/Tricepts
Tuesday: Mixed Martial Arts
Wensday:Rest
Thursday: Mixed Martial Arts
Friday: Squats and Back/Bi
Weekend Rest

Does this seem like a good schedual? The training i cannot change, those are the days its held but how does the weight trainign look? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

LAM · 04-21-2004, 10:46 AM

you can't effective train the 2 biggest body parts legs & back in the same training session...

Arith · 04-21-2004, 11:00 AM

Ok, then what about eliminating legs altogether since they get worked very hard during martial arts training?

LAM · 04-21-2004, 11:11 AM

I've been taking MA for over 17 years and your legs don't get that much work not compaired to resistance training. especially if you are looking to add some size. MA training will not do that.

maybe something like this:

Monday: Back/Traps
Tuesday: Mixed Martial Arts
Wensday:Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Thursday: Mixed Martial Arts
Friday: Legs/Biceps
Weekend Rest

Arith · 04-21-2004, 11:24 AM

Thanks LAM. Im really not interested in size at all, just strength. Ill have to look into trying the split you describe and maybe try it. I was just worried about not having a break between MMA training sessions.

LAM · 04-21-2004, 12:41 PM

if your diet is in check you will have no problems recovering from your MA or resistance training sessions...

miamiguns · 04-21-2004, 12:59 PM

17 years in MA? You would surely know that fast effective kicks cannot be used with big legs. Remember that MA show that had that chubby chinese actor "Sammo"? He had a fat stomach but his legs weren't that fat and he could still move like a pro MA.

Arith, Check out some MA books for excercise ideas. I have Mas Oyama's Complete Karate Course book and it's a good start.

LAM · 04-21-2004, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by miamiguns
17 years in MA? You would surely know that fast effective kicks cannot be used with big legs.

lol ! you know nothing about muscle fiber recruitement.

miamiguns · 04-21-2004, 01:35 PM

I don't. Why don't you tell us how muscle fiber recruitement can lift a leg faster.

Burner02 · 04-21-2004, 02:07 PM

well, look at a Olympic sprinters legs. These men are the fastest humans on the planet..and they have huge, very muscular legs.
If the muscles are stretched and have full ROM, size shouldn't matter, if trained for the use of kicking. (make sense?)

I don't follow UFC, so don't remember many names..but I do rememebr Ken Shamrock. He was pretty muscular. And quick. I would hate to get connected with that oak tree of a leg of his..

darklight · 04-21-2004, 07:25 PM

For the olympic spinters, power is needed! They do heavy lifting in legs training!

maniclion · 04-21-2004, 07:35 PM

To be an effective MA you need swift, powerful kicks much like a sprinter because you want to take your opponent out as fast as possible.

IRONWARRIOR · 04-21-2004, 07:37 PM

I have trained in Kyokushin karate for 20 years I started when I was 6, and yes You can have fast effective kicks with BIG MUSCULAR legs! But you must pratice all your kicks fast and stretch alot and never let up or you will slow down from lack of training..! ever see former K-1 champ and former kyokushin champion...the late ANDY HUG? he had very muscular legs and he could throw devastating! very very fast powerful kicks easily its all training..I also visited Venice beach about 8 years ago the summer I first got into bodybuilding and looked into the aerobics room to see a 250lb 'off season' body builder named 'Flex Wheeler' doing splits and kicks with ease....it can be done..I'am 5'9 220lbs and can throw kicks faster then some 150lb guys but mine also do alot more damage..Train hard!

04-21-2004, 10:34 AM	#1
Arith Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Just outside Chicago IL, USA Posts: 47	Mixing Martial Arts w/weight training w/o overtraining.... Hi guys. Ive been back to lifting heavy for about 2 months now and have made some very good, steady gains. My main goal is strength gain because i am a police officer and i feel it is important for my safety at work. Last week i began training in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). An officer i work with runs a MMA gym called Straight Blast Gym and it has a great reputation. I began to train w/them because it is something that will get me into great shape and its also something that would be good for my safety at work. The training sessions are incredibly intense w/live drills and full contact sparing and wrestling for 2 hours on tuesdays and thursdays. I also have been working out w/weights monday, wensday and friday. I had training last night and today i am very very sore. I dont want to overtrain or injure myself so i was thinking of doing weights 2 times a week. I figure my legs are getting enough of a workout during the training to maintain or gain strength in them. I was considering doing the following: Monday: Chest/Shoulders/Tricepts Tuesday: Mixed Martial Arts Wensday:Rest Thursday: Mixed Martial Arts Friday: Squats and Back/Bi Weekend Rest Does this seem like a good schedual? The training i cannot change, those are the days its held but how does the weight trainign look? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
	--ARITH-- My Journal

04-21-2004, 10:46 AM	#2
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	you can't effective train the 2 biggest body parts legs & back in the same training session...
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

04-21-2004, 11:00 AM	#3
Arith Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Just outside Chicago IL, USA Posts: 47	Ok, then what about eliminating legs altogether since they get worked very hard during martial arts training?
	--ARITH-- My Journal

04-21-2004, 11:11 AM	#4
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	I've been taking MA for over 17 years and your legs don't get that much work not compaired to resistance training. especially if you are looking to add some size. MA training will not do that. maybe something like this: Monday: Back/Traps Tuesday: Mixed Martial Arts Wensday:Chest/Shoulders/Triceps Thursday: Mixed Martial Arts Friday: Legs/Biceps Weekend Rest
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

04-21-2004, 11:24 AM	#5
Arith Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Just outside Chicago IL, USA Posts: 47	Thanks LAM. Im really not interested in size at all, just strength. Ill have to look into trying the split you describe and maybe try it. I was just worried about not having a break between MMA training sessions.
	--ARITH-- My Journal

04-21-2004, 12:41 PM	#6
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	if your diet is in check you will have no problems recovering from your MA or resistance training sessions...
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

04-21-2004, 12:59 PM	#7
miamiguns Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Miami Posts: 133	17 years in MA? You would surely know that fast effective kicks cannot be used with big legs. Remember that MA show that had that chubby chinese actor "Sammo"? He had a fat stomach but his legs weren't that fat and he could still move like a pro MA. Arith, Check out some MA books for excercise ideas. I have Mas Oyama's Complete Karate Course book and it's a good start.

04-21-2004, 01:35 PM	#9
miamiguns Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Miami Posts: 133	I don't. Why don't you tell us how muscle fiber recruitement can lift a leg faster.

04-21-2004, 02:07 PM	#10
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,320	well, look at a Olympic sprinters legs. These men are the fastest humans on the planet..and they have huge, very muscular legs. If the muscles are stretched and have full ROM, size shouldn't matter, if trained for the use of kicking. (make sense?) I don't follow UFC, so don't remember many names..but I do rememebr Ken Shamrock. He was pretty muscular. And quick. I would hate to get connected with that oak tree of a leg of his..
	Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem THERE IS NO TOMORROW! - Appollo Creed

04-21-2004, 07:25 PM	#11
darklight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 185	For the olympic spinters, power is needed! They do heavy lifting in legs training!
darklight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 185

04-21-2004, 07:35 PM	#12
maniclion Catalyst Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hawaii, selling munitions for the war on EcoTerror Posts: 18,365 Photos: 10	To be an effective MA you need swift, powerful kicks much like a sprinter because you want to take your opponent out as fast as possible.

04-21-2004, 07:37 PM	#13
IRONWARRIOR Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 31	I have trained in Kyokushin karate for 20 years I started when I was 6, and yes You can have fast effective kicks with BIG MUSCULAR legs! But you must pratice all your kicks fast and stretch alot and never let up or you will slow down from lack of training..! ever see former K-1 champ and former kyokushin champion...the late ANDY HUG? he had very muscular legs and he could throw devastating! very very fast powerful kicks easily its all training..I also visited Venice beach about 8 years ago the summer I first got into bodybuilding and looked into the aerobics room to see a 250lb 'off season' body builder named 'Flex Wheeler' doing splits and kicks with ease....it can be done..I'am 5'9 220lbs and can throw kicks faster then some 150lb guys but mine also do alot more damage..Train hard!

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