What are the things that separate a bodybuilder from a person who lifts to be fit?

oliver10_28_2k · 04-24-2004, 02:45 AM

What are the things that separate a bodybuilder from a person who lifts to be fit? Opinions anyone???

M.J.H. · 04-24-2004, 09:55 AM

Well this is all going to depend on the person. In my experience a person who trains to be fit really isn't looking to add an appreciable amount of size. They're training to stay in shape, so to speak. They'll have a routine balanced of weight-training and cardio, and generally "watch" what they eat.

On the other hand a bodybuilder is much more careful about his training, and what he eats. Supplements are of more importance than someone training to be fit, and factors such as sleep, protein intake, all are of great importance. Bodybuilders are trying to get bigger and some, stronger, bottom line.

atherjen · 04-24-2004, 10:07 AM

hmmmm well IMO I think that someone who just lifts to be fit and healthy isnt bothered too much with "new wonder" supplements, too strict of a diet or the various dynamics and methods of training.

**Prince** · 04-24-2004, 10:40 AM

I do not want to turn this into a debate cause we have it several times before, but my opinion is you can only indentify yourself as a "bodybuilder" if you're competitive, otherwise you just lift weights.

If you lift weights and follow a "bodybuilding lifestye" that alone does not qualify you to carry the title "bodybuilder", and to do so is insulting to competitive bodybuilders, especially professionals. There is so much more involved being a competitive bodybuilder, just ask anyone that has competed.

aztecwolf · 04-24-2004, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
I do not want to turn this into a debate cause we have it several times before, but my opinion is you can only indentify yourself as a "bodybuilder" if you're competitive, otherwise you just lift weights.

If you lift weights and follow a "bodybuilding lifestye" that alone does not qualify you to carry the title "bodybuilder", and to do so is insulting to competitive bodybuilders, especially professionals. There is so much more involved being a competitive bodybuilder, just ask anyone that has competed.

yeah that is where i am at, i am not looking into competions or anything, therefore i don't consider myself a bodybuilder, i just do it for the challenge, to stay active and fit, and to look good when i hit up the beach. A person who is just doing it to stay fit doesn't go through the bulking and cutting routines that a normal bodybuilder would do, and is much less strict in terms of dieting.

JLB001 · 04-24-2004, 12:32 PM

I agree with Prince.

M.J.H. · 04-24-2004, 01:17 PM

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I do not want to turn this into a debate cause we have it several times before, but my opinion is you can only indentify yourself as a "bodybuilder" if you're competitive, otherwise you just lift weights.

I can completely agree with you here Prince. I know that a competitive bodybuider is a completely different game than someone who just lifts because they enjoy it, etc. I can completely agree with that. I have absolutely no desire to compete at all---so I just lift weights.

Fit Freak · 04-24-2004, 01:19 PM

Prince...I 100% agree with you. Until you have suffered the challenges of those final weeks leading into a competition...you are a weightlifter who follows the lifestyle...but NOT a BODYBUILDER

**CowPimp** · 04-24-2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
I do not want to turn this into a debate cause we have it several times before, but my opinion is you can only indentify yourself as a "bodybuilder" if you're competitive, otherwise you just lift weights.

If you lift weights and follow a "bodybuilding lifestye" that alone does not qualify you to carry the title "bodybuilder", and to do so is insulting to competitive bodybuilders, especially professionals. There is so much more involved being a competitive bodybuilder, just ask anyone that has competed.

You just turned it into a debate, and you knew you were going to. Just because someone doesn't compete professionally does not mean they aren't doing the activity. If I play soccer with some friends I'm still playing soccer. Just because I'm not going through the rigors of training that a professional does means nothing. I'm not a professional soccer player, but I am a soccer player in this example. Hence, I'm not a professional bodybuilder, but I am a bodybuilder.

However, I do see the need for a disctinction between someone who competes and someone who doesn't. The term competitive or professional preceeding the word bodybuilder is adequate. Also, sometimes people who aren't professionals can be just as dedicated and train just as hard as someone who competes. Take Trevor Smith for example. He never competed, but the fact that he weighed 420 pounds (I know that's before cutting but still) and could rep 7xx pounds on the incline bench shows that he probably trained extremely hard to get to that point.

**Prince** · 04-24-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by CowPimp
You just turned it into a debate, and you knew you were going to. Just because someone doesn't compete professionally does not mean they aren't doing the activity. If I play soccer with some friends I'm still playing soccer. Just because I'm not going through the rigors of training that a professional does means nothing. I'm not a professional soccer player, but I am a soccer player in this example. Hence, I'm not a professional bodybuilder, but I am a bodybuilder.

I never said that being pro was a requirement, amatuers train just as hard for competitions as pros.

But, if you are just 'doing the activity' than you do not deserve the title "bodybuilder". You can say "I bodybuild", but you're not a bodybuilder. There is a BIG difference.

I can assume by your response that you have never competed, otherwise like the others that agreed with me above you would understand the difference between lifting weights and being a competitive bodybuilder.

Tha Don · 04-24-2004, 03:28 PM

i'd say i bodybuild, but i don't compete so i guess i'm not a bodybuilder even though i am in a personal sense

peace

kvyd · 04-24-2004, 06:02 PM

The way I see it if you are working hard to gain size and muscle...then your a bodybuilder...because you are "building" you body

Rich46yo · 04-24-2004, 06:09 PM

I look at it this way. Ive played football in my life but was never a "professional football player", tho I was a huge fan of pro-football. Does that mean I was never a "football player"?

I also have always lifted weights with intent to shape my body, and have used many techniques and advice from Pro bodybuilders. Even tho I dont compete does that mean Im not a BB? Im also a huge fan of BB. The energy from these contests is incredable. And in my opinion there is no pro athlete that puts more sweat and blood into their sport then do pro-BBs.

So I dont know the answer, but I'll say this. The sport of BB became huge by shareing the BB lifestyle with millions of people. By allowing "them" into your world your sport became huge.......................my humble advice is dont drive them out of it...................................take care.....................Rich

derekisdman · 04-24-2004, 07:27 PM

I agree with Cowpimp here.

aztecwolf · 04-24-2004, 08:10 PM

the other weird thing about bodybuilding as compared to other sports is that you can do too much of bodybuilding(overtraining), which i unfortunately do, and it is bad for you, but is it bad for you to play too much basketball??

kvyd · 04-24-2004, 08:15 PM

you technically could do the same thing aztec... and play to long day in day out like 5 hours a day of intense full court...youd be over doing it

aztecwolf · 04-24-2004, 09:00 PM

yeah but would it make you a worse player?

**CowPimp** · 04-24-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
I never said that being pro was a requirement, amatuers train just as hard for competitions as pros.

But, if you are just 'doing the activity' than you do not deserve the title "bodybuilder". You can say "I bodybuild", but you're not a bodybuilder. There is a BIG difference.

I can assume by your response that you have never competed, otherwise like the others that agreed with me above you would understand the difference between lifting weights and being a competitive bodybuilder.

If you bodybuild, then you are a bodybuilder... I'm not trying to downplay the fact that competitive bodybuilders work hard, but just because you work hard doesn't negate the fact that I bodybuild. I don't think the level of training has anything to do with whether or not someone is considered a bodybuilder.

I am a bodybuilder because, among other reasons, I lift weights to alter my physique to my liking, plain and simple. Just because I don't compete doesn't change that.

LAM · 04-24-2004, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
I never said that being pro was a requirement, amatuers train just as hard for competitions as pros.

But, if you are just 'doing the activity' than you do not deserve the title "bodybuilder". You can say "I bodybuild", but you're not a bodybuilder. There is a BIG difference.

I can assume by your response that you have never competed, otherwise like the others that agreed with me above you would understand the difference between lifting weights and being a competitive bodybuilder.

I completely agree. I have to correct people all the time who call me a "bodybuilder"...

V Player · 04-25-2004, 12:51 PM

I agree 100% with what Prince said.

**P-funk** · 04-25-2004, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Metal V Player
I agree 100% with what Prince said.

Ditto

jakethesnake · 04-25-2004, 02:12 PM

I'm not sure. I had a MAX-OT workout where i would train back and bi's on the same day (tris and chest, etc). I told someone about this at the gym and he said it would be over training. I 'argued' with it about him. He told someone else about this workout plan and he said it was for bodybuilders, and said i was not a bodybuilder so i shouldnt be doing it. BS?

**CowPimp** · 04-25-2004, 08:18 PM

Oh well, I guess I will concede that I am wrong. Although I bodybuild, I am not a bodybuilder. No one really seems to agree with me. I think it's unreasonable for me to argue otherwise when everyone else obviously disagrees with me.

DeadBolt · 04-25-2004, 09:58 PM

Now what if you workout to build your body in preperation for a competition but have never done one yet. Does this mean you are not a bodybuilder unless you have completed a comp? I have been bustin my ass and "building" my body in the hopes of one day I will be in good enough shape to enter a competiton. So what does this make me?

I can compare this to one thing and thats a fireman. A rookie(probie) is a fireman even though they have not gone through state training. Now to the older fireman (bodybuilder) a probie(someone who want to be a BB) is not a firweman b/c they have not gone through the training but in reality they are firefighters.

I see both sides of this debate. I see how prince is correct b/c I have heard of some crazy extremes people go through for comps and the madness they are put through, but then I see how others take the word literally, they "build" their "body"=bodybuilder.

aztecwolf · 04-26-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by CowPimp
Oh well, I guess I will concede that I am wrong. Although I bodybuild, I am not a bodybuilder. No one really seems to agree with me. I think it's unreasonable for me to argue otherwise when everyone else obviously disagrees with me.

hey man don't give up you are what your heart desires

**Prince** · 04-26-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by DeadBolt
I see both sides of this debate. I see how prince is correct b/c I have heard of some crazy extremes people go through for comps and the madness they are put through, but then I see how others take the word literally, they "build" their "body"=bodybuilder.

good points, and I also see both sides of the debate.

I have never stopped lifting weights, but for ten years I did not compete. When I decided to compete again this year I rediscovered the vast difference and level of training, dedication and discipline you undergo when you compete.

It requires a much higher level in all aspects of "bodybuilding", there is no cheating on your diet, there is no skipping a work-out cause you want to go to that baseball game (or whatever), there is no "partying", there is no skipping a meal.

It's 24/7 bodybulding: training, eating, resting. You eat every 3 hours, and it's basically the same bland foods every meal, day after day, week after week. You cannot skip cardio, you cannot have a half assed work-out of bullshitting with your gym buddies, it's all business! You cannot eat that icecream bar that everyon else is eating....etc., etc., etc.

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04-24-2004, 02:45 AM	#1
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04-24-2004, 09:55 AM	#2
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Well this is all going to depend on the person. In my experience a person who trains to be fit really isn't looking to add an appreciable amount of size. They're training to stay in shape, so to speak. They'll have a routine balanced of weight-training and cardio, and generally "watch" what they eat. On the other hand a bodybuilder is much more careful about his training, and what he eats. Supplements are of more importance than someone training to be fit, and factors such as sleep, protein intake, all are of great importance. Bodybuilders are trying to get bigger and some, stronger, bottom line.
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atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	hmmmm well IMO I think that someone who just lifts to be fit and healthy isnt bothered too much with "new wonder" supplements, too strict of a diet or the various dynamics and methods of training.
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04-24-2004, 10:40 AM	#4
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,983 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	I do not want to turn this into a debate cause we have it several times before, but my opinion is you can only indentify yourself as a "bodybuilder" if you're competitive, otherwise you just lift weights. If you lift weights and follow a "bodybuilding lifestye" that alone does not qualify you to carry the title "bodybuilder", and to do so is insulting to competitive bodybuilders, especially professionals. There is so much more involved being a competitive bodybuilder, just ask anyone that has competed.
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04-24-2004, 01:19 PM	#8
Fit Freak Fit Freak Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,797 Photos: 6	Prince...I 100% agree with you. Until you have suffered the challenges of those final weeks leading into a competition...you are a weightlifter who follows the lifestyle...but NOT a BODYBUILDER
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Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	i'd say i bodybuild, but i don't compete so i guess i'm not a bodybuilder even though i am in a personal sense peace

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kvyd Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nor MI Posts: 1,130	The way I see it if you are working hard to gain size and muscle...then your a bodybuilder...because you are "building" you body

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Rich46yo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 861	I look at it this way. Ive played football in my life but was never a "professional football player", tho I was a huge fan of pro-football. Does that mean I was never a "football player"? I also have always lifted weights with intent to shape my body, and have used many techniques and advice from Pro bodybuilders. Even tho I dont compete does that mean Im not a BB? Im also a huge fan of BB. The energy from these contests is incredable. And in my opinion there is no pro athlete that puts more sweat and blood into their sport then do pro-BBs. So I dont know the answer, but I'll say this. The sport of BB became huge by shareing the BB lifestyle with millions of people. By allowing "them" into your world your sport became huge.......................my humble advice is dont drive them out of it...................................take care.....................Rich
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04-24-2004, 07:27 PM	#14
derekisdman RAWR! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,294	I agree with Cowpimp here.
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aztecwolf Sackin' up every day Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: san diego Posts: 1,267 Photos: 3	the other weird thing about bodybuilding as compared to other sports is that you can do too much of bodybuilding(overtraining), which i unfortunately do, and it is bad for you, but is it bad for you to play too much basketball??
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kvyd Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nor MI Posts: 1,130	you technically could do the same thing aztec... and play to long day in day out like 5 hours a day of intense full court...youd be over doing it

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aztecwolf Sackin' up every day Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: san diego Posts: 1,267 Photos: 3	yeah but would it make you a worse player?
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jakethesnake Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: England Posts: 42 Photos: 4	I'm not sure. I had a MAX-OT workout where i would train back and bi's on the same day (tris and chest, etc). I told someone about this at the gym and he said it would be over training. I 'argued' with it about him. He told someone else about this workout plan and he said it was for bodybuilders, and said i was not a bodybuilder so i shouldnt be doing it. BS?

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