Banned Exercises ?

JerseyDevil · 04-28-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Quadsweep
JerseyDevil, this one is for you:

Bob Cicherillo, not good enough for you?

Chris Cormier Former Mr. Olympia, taken from the 10 Basic Rules of Mass

The point was, smart ass, during this entire thread you tell us not to listen to the training advice of juiced up pro's. But then we ARE supposed to listen to juiced up pro's (Bob Cicherillo and Chris Cormier's advice) because now it backs up some of your statements. So which is it? Do we listen to the pro's or not?

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You remind me of a juiced up drug addict I saw in the Gym some days ago. He literally brainwashed this pure newbie into thinking that the seated Calf raise machine is the most effective method to train the gastrocnemius (the most visible part of the calf where the meat is, so to speak). I explained this poor newbie all about muscle length/tension relationsships. The sad thing is that I literally had to take off my trousers and show this guy my calves to make him believe. Not unlike the way things are in here

How in the fuck, did my saying I listen to my body remind you of a 'juiced up drug addict'? Screw you Asswipe.

Flex · 04-28-2004, 10:32 AM

Quad-
the reason people are being "snotty kindergarten kids" is because first of all, you say you'd beat a clean Jay Cutler, implying you have an amazine physique. I say...prove it.

secondly, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, do you honestly think IFBB pros write those articles for mags? if you do, you're seriously mistaken. Frankly, i'd be suprised if they even read the mags that they're feature in....that show they're "10 surefire ways to gain mass" and all the other b.s.

thirdly, you say the problem is that easy gainers (pro bb's) pass on advice to the majority of people. people who follow "pro's advice" blindly (from magazines and videos) are obviously not real BB's. Like Prince said "One important thing to note was in the first paragraph: "You don't have to do anything except what works best for you..."

Fourth, jerseydevil said he uses "what works best for HIM"....which is what you SHOULD do.

and a "Juiced up drug addict"? i ask you once again, please don't insult, or in any matter, try to even talk about something you know NOTHING about (...steroids). The so-called "juiced up addict" showed limited extent of his BB knowledge, that's all. It had NOTHING to do with him being on juice.

p.s. Chris Cormier was never Mr. Olympia

**Prince** · 04-28-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Jodi
Since when does size equate knowledge?

It doesn't.

But when someone talks/posts the way this guy has been in this thread I expect that he must have quite a physique, otherwise he is just another little bookworm sitting behind his PC.

Book knowledge is great amd I am not discounting it, but I also believe in real life experience and knowledge as well. And since we are discussing training primarily here, not something like nutrition, it takes more than just a book to be educated IMO.

If he is going to criticize basically everyone from us to pro bodybuilders, and tell us which exercises work the best, etc., then I assume he has some real world gym experience to back all of this up, and a physique that matches.

**CowPimp** · 04-28-2004, 12:59 PM

I think that no exercise should ever be banned. I'm not going to argue that there may be more effective exercises for certain people, and I'm not going to argue that certain lifts aren't good for people who are prone to injuries in areas that these lifts stress.

There is no need to argue about what these articles say. There probably is truth behind them, but I don't make a decision as to whether or not I like a training method until I try it out. If you never apply the advice to yourself, then you really don't know the results.

Different lifts work better for different people. Despite what these articles say, squats and deadlifts have done wonders for me. My lower body is crap compared to my upper body, but deadlifts and squats have added quite a lot of size to my waist and legs. I have done other lower body lifts and they did not yield nearly the size or strength gains that deadlifts have added. I could care less what these people say because I have tried various things, and the classic compound exercises that some guy told me are "obsolete" are what work best for me thus far.

JerseyDevil · 04-28-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by CowPimp
There is no need to argue about what these articles say. There probably is truth behind them, but I don't make a decision as to whether or not I like a training method until I try it out. If you never apply the advice to yourself, then you really don't know the results.

Exactly.

Quadsweep · 04-29-2004, 12:57 PM

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. But then we ARE supposed to listen to juiced up pro's (Bob Cicherillo and Chris Cormier's advice) because now it backs up some of your statements

You've got it completely wrong. Maybe I did not make it clear enough for you. I don't like Bob Cicherillo's statements at all. He is just another bad example.

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Cowpimp wrote: There is no need to argue about what these articles say. There probably is truth behind them, but I don't make a decision as to whether or not I like a training method until I try it out. If you never apply the advice to yourself, then you really don't know the results.

Jersey Devil wrote: Exactly

This is exactly why some people spend 16 years developing a physique they could have gotten in 8 years time (or opt for the ROIDS)! They persist at trying out all the counterproductive methods of training. A lot of those people get career ending injuries as well when they try to mimic Arnold doing squats in the smith machine with heels elevated! They are not as lucky as the beings you find in the parkin lot wasting time doing lunges with 45 pounders.

Robert DiMaggio: Pictures, Pictures Pictures. It's usually a topic I avoid to discuss. Frankly, I find it very amusing to see grown up men soaked in oil and charcoal strike poses on a catwalk wearing tiny thongs

The girls make hookers look decent.

You know I usually don't comment on this unless asked for.

Friends, romans, countrymen and drug addicts.

I will let you in on a secret. I squat heavy. I squat to increase lean muscle mass. I squat because I am a 60 and 100 metres specialist. I squat because it makes me run faster. I don't build muscle because I want to look good on a catwalk.

Frankly, I don't own a digital cam at all

**CowPimp** · 04-29-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Quadsweep
This is exactly why some people spend 16 years developing a physique they could have gotten in 8 years time (or opt for the ROIDS)! They persist at trying out all the counterproductive methods of training. A lot of those people get career ending injuries as well when they try to mimic Arnold doing squats in the smith machine with heels elevated! They are not as lucky as the beings you find in the parkin lot wasting time doing lunges with 45 pounders.

How are you supposed to know which methods of training are counter productive for you if you don't try them first? Conversely, how are you supposed to know which training methods are most productive for you unless you try them? Bodybuilding is very much a process of trial and error, learning about physiology, and learning about your own body. Don't tell me that you went online and designed the perfect routine for your body your first day of training...

Furthermore, most people have to switch to different training methods periodically to break past plateaus. As well, you probably benefit differently from certain training methods depending on how advanced you are (Your training age).

**Prince** · 04-29-2004, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Quadsweep
Robert DiMaggio: Pictures, Pictures Pictures. It's usually a topic I avoid to discuss. Frankly, I find it very amusing to see grown up men soaked in oil and charcoal strike poses on a catwalk wearing tiny thongs

The girls make hookers look decent.

You know I usually don't comment on this unless asked for.

In other words you're too embarrassed to post your pics, I understand.

It's too bad that you view bodybuilding competition this way, and it sounds like you may have some latent homosexual tendencies, you may want to seek therapy for this.

Quadsweep · 04-29-2004, 04:15 PM

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How are you supposed to know which methods of training are counter productive for you if you don't try them first?

There is no need to re-invent science all over again.

80 % science
20 % out of box thinking

No need to re-invent the 80 % science.

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Furthermore, most people have to switch to different training methods periodically to break past plateaus. As well, you probably benefit differently from certain training methods depending on how advanced you are (Your training age).

True

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Don't tell me that you went online and designed the perfect routine for your body your first day of training...

Unfortunately I came across Arnolds encyclopedia of Myths. Then I met a coach. Giant leap forward.

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it sounds like you may have some latent homosexual tendencies, you may want to seek therapy for this.

Do you prescribe theraphy for being a homosexual? Book a time for Mr. Eggs as well. He refuses to stop sending me flowers. He does not take No for an answer

Eggs · 04-29-2004, 04:28 PM

I send you flower because I hope you'll end up in the grave one of these days. If stupidity kills, it shouldnt be long

Eggs · 04-29-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Quadsweep
There is no need to re-invent science all over again.

80 % science
20 % out of box thinking

No need to re-invent the 80 % science.

Way to throw some numbers out there. If I could pull numbers out of my ass like that I'd be a mathematician

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True

True true... wazzuuuup. This statement you just answered with a "true" is the main friggin point of all of this. We have argued not to throw away exercises needlessly. Variation and putting the body under new stress is key to building muscle and strength. Rob Faigin has some about that in his book "Natural Hormonal Enhancement" as do tons of other writers. So you dont like lunges... if you did them once a while they wouldnt hurt, even if you did them with pink dumbells.

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Unfortunately I came across Arnolds encyclopedia of Myths. Then I met a coach. Giant leap forward.

Ooooh, met a coach... they're about a frigging dime a dozen. Look around, coaches are all over the place. I'm sure he'll give you a nice pat on the butt too after a 50... who cares?

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Do you prescribe theraphy for being a homosexual? Book a time for Mr. Eggs as well. He refuses to stop sending me flowers. He does not take No for an answer

Sorry, I dont care to join you anywhere in or out of the closet. But I would enjoy it if you actually posted proof of anything that you've said.

Oh, and shit... a sprinter. Damn, thats special!

I'm sure everyone around here is all impressed. Who gives a shit? Have you ever won anything decent? Hate to say it bro, but you'll never be best... but if it gives you goose bumps to rag on the world best sprinters, Shhh... they're roiding

**CowPimp** · 04-29-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Quadsweep
There is no need to re-invent science all over again.

80 % science
20 % out of box thinking

No need to re-invent the 80 % science.

No one is talking about re-inventing science. However, if you haven't noticed, there are several highly accepted training methods that all work to different degrees for different people: Max-OT, HST, and P/RR/S to name a few.

Surely, there are some basics that apply to most every training method. However, I find that I end up having to tweak these highly accepted workouts to fit my body and available workout equipment all the time. If you're not tweaking the program to your own needs, then you aren't training optimally.

Quadsweep · 04-29-2004, 08:00 PM

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This statement you just answered with a "true" is the main friggin point of all of this. We have argued not to throw away exercises needlessly.

Who want's to throw away exercises needlessly? You tell me!

Dear Mr. Eggs, THE MAIN FRIGGIN POINT IS: What exercises do we need?

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So you dont like lunges... if you did them once a while they wouldnt hurt, even if you did them with pink dumbells

They don't hurt. In fact they do very little, unless you are a child with severe motor learning disorders.

" lunges are not an exercise that allows the kind of heavy weights that the lower body responds the best to. There are more efficient exercises that work both legs simultaneously, allow for sufficient to extreme resistance, and have a longer range of resisted motion for the targeted muscles."

"walking lunges: When a person extends off the forward foot from the lunge position, you will notice that the foot leaves the floor after the initial push-off, before the lower leg is completely extended. Half the remaining part of the motion involves a small contraction of the calf and glute muscles that pull the body back across the foot until an upright stance is achieved. The targeted quadriceps can't complete its movement against any resistance because the foot is in the air, and theres nothing to push against. Talk about a limited range of resisted motion."

"This bypasses the efficiency of continuous muscular tension and alleviates any buildup of muscular tension produced by essentially ratcheting a muscle tighter with successive repetitions."

Parking lots. Lunges. Pink dumbells. Jane Fonda elastic tubing bands. Mr. Eggs You are a mystery to me. You have plenty of other options such as the powersquat, front squat, barbell hack squat, olympic squat, legpress, deadlifts, sumo deadlift, stiflegged deadlift.....

Juicemaster wrote:

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If stupidity kills, it shouldnt be long

Not gonna happen in near future. You have to look elsewhere for spareparts to replace your ROID infested kidneys.....brains...genitals

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Cowpimp I agree with you.

**P-funk** · 04-29-2004, 08:05 PM

I love lunges

Quadsweep · 04-29-2004, 08:32 PM

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I love lunges

Is she pretty?

Yanick · 04-29-2004, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by P-funk
I love lunges

Done cooking/cleaning already?

plouffe · 04-29-2004, 10:28 PM

Speaking of Chris Cormier ( Top of thread 4 ) -- He's guest posing in Chicago soon.

JerseyDevil · 04-30-2004, 08:09 AM

Is this thread still alive? Sheesh.

**P-funk** · 04-30-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Quadsweep
Is she pretty?

no, she isn't prety.....she is f*cking hot!!!

JerseyDevil · 04-30-2004, 09:44 AM

Is this the one you bounced on the trampoline with P?

**P-funk** · 04-30-2004, 09:45 AM

LOL, no she is old news!!

Lunges is a new chick.....really smokin' bod!!!

JerseyDevil · 04-30-2004, 11:43 AM

Good thing her name isn't Squats.

04-28-2004, 10:32 AM	#92
Flex FLEXecutioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pomping Iyuhn Posts: 6,278 Photos: 2	Quad- the reason people are being "snotty kindergarten kids" is because first of all, you say you'd beat a clean Jay Cutler, implying you have an amazine physique. I say...prove it. secondly, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, do you honestly think IFBB pros write those articles for mags? if you do, you're seriously mistaken. Frankly, i'd be suprised if they even read the mags that they're feature in....that show they're "10 surefire ways to gain mass" and all the other b.s. thirdly, you say the problem is that easy gainers (pro bb's) pass on advice to the majority of people. people who follow "pro's advice" blindly (from magazines and videos) are obviously not real BB's. Like Prince said "One important thing to note was in the first paragraph: "You don't have to do anything except what works best for you..." Fourth, jerseydevil said he uses "what works best for HIM"....which is what you SHOULD do. and a "Juiced up drug addict"? i ask you once again, please don't insult, or in any matter, try to even talk about something you know NOTHING about (...steroids). The so-called "juiced up addict" showed limited extent of his BB knowledge, that's all. It had NOTHING to do with him being on juice. p.s. Chris Cormier was never Mr. Olympia
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04-28-2004, 12:59 PM	#94
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	I think that no exercise should ever be banned. I'm not going to argue that there may be more effective exercises for certain people, and I'm not going to argue that certain lifts aren't good for people who are prone to injuries in areas that these lifts stress. There is no need to argue about what these articles say. There probably is truth behind them, but I don't make a decision as to whether or not I like a training method until I try it out. If you never apply the advice to yourself, then you really don't know the results. Different lifts work better for different people. Despite what these articles say, squats and deadlifts have done wonders for me. My lower body is crap compared to my upper body, but deadlifts and squats have added quite a lot of size to my waist and legs. I have done other lower body lifts and they did not yield nearly the size or strength gains that deadlifts have added. I could care less what these people say because I have tried various things, and the classic compound exercises that some guy told me are "obsolete" are what work best for me thus far.
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04-29-2004, 08:05 PM	#104
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,629	I love lunges
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04-29-2004, 10:28 PM	#107
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04-30-2004, 09:45 AM	#111
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,629	LOL, no she is old news!! Lunges is a new chick.....really smokin' bod!!!
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04-29-2004, 04:28 PM	#100
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	I send you flower because I hope you'll end up in the grave one of these days. If stupidity kills, it shouldnt be long

04-30-2004, 08:09 AM	#108
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,181	Is this thread still alive? Sheesh.

04-30-2004, 09:44 AM	#110
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,181	Is this the one you bounced on the trampoline with P?

04-30-2004, 11:43 AM	#112
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