Super setting Biceps & Triceps provides amazing growth

**gopro** · 05-13-2004, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
gopro when I used to do only 3 exrcises 4 sets each for chest, my chest would hardly feel a good sore for more than half a day. Same goes for when only used to do 12 or 15 sets for back, it would hardly feel worked the next day. Even with 18 total sets super setting bi's & tri's my arms aren't all that sore for very long but I know I'm hitting my arms hard enough as the following week I'm able to lift more on each individual exercise.

So for legs would only 4 sets of squats & 4 sets of stiff leg deadlifts be enough for legs?

Is the best way to tell if you're over training that you're not as strong as you normally are &/or feeling tired? Is it also possible to be overtraining just one or 2 muscles out of 5 days?

Being able to lift more each week is a very good sign, and will usually end up resulting in more growth. Losing strength from one week to the next IS an indicator of possible overtraining or underrecovering, but could also occur from more transient factors. You CAN overtrain individual muscles, but more often, overtraining is a systemic phenomenon.

For some people 4 sets of squats and 4 of stiff legged deads may be enough for good growth if they are pushing hard enough, but so little variety will not lead to complete thigh development.

Johnnny · 05-13-2004, 10:04 AM

Sometimes I lose strength from one week to the next but that's mainly do to my thyroid going up & down. They just had to lower my synthroid dosages from .10mg a day down to .88mg a day as it was getting into the hyper state. When it's in the hyper state you're in the catabolic risk area.

When I was doing less work than the last month for certain muscle groups, sometimes I felt like I was under training. Is this possible? I assume yes.

If someone is doing 20 sets total for chest, 25-30 sets for back, 25 sets for arms, 20-25 sets for legs & 15 sets for traps, would this sound like someone training while on steroids? One friend of mine who has told me he's taken steroids before like deca, suspension & other things. Do the amounts of sets he does, sound like the type of routine for someon on juice? I'm just wondering if he's lying to me about being natural. He says he wishes he could get his hands on some stuff. To me what he does sounds like way to much for a natural person.

**gopro** · 05-13-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Sometimes I lose strength from one week to the next but that's mainly do to my thyroid going up & down. They just had to lower my synthroid dosages from .10mg a day down to .88mg a day as it was getting into the hyper state. When it's in the hyper state you're in the catabolic risk area.

When I was doing less work than the last month for certain muscle groups, sometimes I felt like I was under training. Is this possible? I assume yes.

If someone is doing 20 sets total for chest, 25-30 sets for back, 25 sets for arms, 20-25 sets for legs & 15 sets for traps, would this sound like someone training while on steroids? One friend of mine who has told me he's taken steroids before like deca, suspension & other things. Do the amounts of sets he does, sound like the type of routine for someon on juice? I'm just wondering if he's lying to me about being natural. He says he wishes he could get his hands on some stuff. To me what he does sounds like way to much for a natural person.

Well, if he's training like this and actually growing, he is either a genetic marvel or on steroids.

Johnnny · 05-13-2004, 11:49 AM

Well this guy (not the same guy as in my PM's) was in my class all through highschool. Like I said he's taken several different steroids before. Some of the time he was honest about it. Other times he was dishonest & I found out through other ppl that he's been on stuff but didn't want to say. Presently he says he's natural & he does the same amount of set scheme as mentioned above. In highschool he was small & a bit fat. In grade 10 he did bench 205lbs for several reps. But I doubt he is a genetic marvel.
He's even trying to get me to train like him for some reason even though he knows I'm not on roids.

There's this 30yr old guy I know at the gym who is about the same height as me, but only 190lbs pretty lean. He told me that he only took steroids just a few times during Cegep & never touched them again. I just found out from the guy I'm talking about above that he heard this 30yr old guy is still off & on taking steroids he gets from one of the personal trainers Roy Callender at our gym. He's been lying to us all along. Last year he gained 20lbs in about 6 weeks & he said it was from 1-AD & then he lost half of it a month later. Well the guy mentioned above found out from someone else that he was on steroids during the time that he said he was on 1-AD.

Point is I don't know whether or not to believe the guy at the top of this reply about being natural or not & not do as many sets as him per body part & cause over training.

**gopro** · 05-13-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Well this guy (not the same guy as in my PM's) was in my class all through highschool. Like I said he's taken several different steroids before. Some of the time he was honest about it. Other times he was dishonest & I found out through other ppl that he's been on stuff but didn't want to say. Presently he says he's natural & he does the same amount of set scheme as mentioned above. In highschool he was small & a bit fat. In grade 10 he did bench 205lbs for several reps. But I doubt he is a genetic marvel.
He's even trying to get me to train like him for some reason even though he knows I'm not on roids.

There's this 30yr old guy I know at the gym who is about the same height as me, but only 190lbs pretty lean. He told me that he only took steroids just a few times during Cegep & never touched them again. I just found out from the guy I'm talking about above that he heard this 30yr old guy is still off & on taking steroids he gets from one of the personal trainers Roy Callender at our gym. He's been lying to us all along. Last year he gained 20lbs in about 6 weeks & he said it was from 1-AD & then he lost half of it a month later. Well the guy mentioned above found out from someone else that he was on steroids during the time that he said he was on 1-AD.

Point is I don't know whether or not to believe the guy at the top of this reply about being natural or not & not do as many sets as him per body part & cause over training.

Don't worry about that guy or anyone else and stick to what YOU KNOW works for YOU.

Johnnny · 05-13-2004, 02:23 PM

I know, I know you have to focus on yourself & set short term goals eventually long term or you'll never improve.

But it gets discouraging if you've worked hard for 4-6 months & managed to gain 5lbs of muscle when your buddy someone you know gains 15-20lbs in 6 weeks & keeps 5-10lbs or so post cycle depending on the person.

**gopro** · 05-13-2004, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
I know, I know you have to focus on yourself & set short term goals eventually long term or you'll never improve.

But it gets discouraging if you've worked hard for 4-6 months & managed to gain 5lbs of muscle when your buddy someone you know gains 15-20lbs in 6 weeks & keeps 5-10lbs or so post cycle depending on the person.

Hey, I've busted my ass for years upon years in the gym and have watched so many people surpass me along the way with 1/10 th my dedication...it sucks, but you have to push on and accept it if your decision is to remain natural. In the end though, you'll probably end up with a better physique than most that rely on drugs.

Johnnny · 05-13-2004, 05:34 PM

Yeah I've heard that. I see guys come off roids after being on them for 5-10yrs, & after several months after withdrawl, they usually look better & some ppl even lifting almost as much as they were on roids.

Johnnny · 05-21-2004, 08:44 AM

I hate when guys either don't know what they're doing give bad advice, or when steroid users give advice on training that's only suited for steroid users expecting everyone to be on roids giving natural training ppl training advice on routines etc.... that's normally used for steroid users.

As I said I've been super setting bi's & tri's for almost 5yrs & had pretty good gains. I got the advice from a guy who I thought was training naturally as he wasn't freaky or overly huge &/or ripped. Just a guy who was around 5ft11 & weighed 230lbs with great condtion. There were times he was ripped at that weight & other times not, & sometimes his weight would increase by 10lbs or so periodically. He always said he was natural & was a personal trainer. Well I just found out yesterday coincedently on arm day from this other personal trainer (also a fireman) who did some local bodybuilding & was on roids for a long time but has been training naturally for the last couple of years told me

NOT TO SUPER SET ARMS AS IT WILL CAUSE YOU TO OVERTRAIN YOUR GUNS. I believe this dude as he told me the guy I got my advice from is a big steroid freak & has been for several years & gave me an arm routine for someone on steroids.

He said it's best to do chest & biceps never triceps as your chest also has tricep involvement. He said it's best believe it or not to do tricep's either after back or on leg day. Never do triceps on shoulder day or a day before or after shoudler & never on the same day as chest. He also said never do back & biceps on the same day as your back involves your biceps a great deal.

He told me my arms might have been growing much more than they have been. So now I have to change my whole routine.

Steroid users can't expect natural training ppl to train the same way & grow the same way.

**CowPimp** · 05-21-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
I hate when guys either don't know what they're doing give bad advice, or when steroid users give advice on training that's only suited for steroid users expecting everyone to be on roids giving natural training ppl training advice on routines etc.... that's normally used for steroid users.

Agreed. That's why I just do as much research as I possibly can and design my own routines. I often use the ideas of others, but adapt them to myself. Currently my routine is a variation of Gopro's well-renowned P/RR/S routine.

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As I said I've been super setting bi's & tri's for almost 5yrs & had pretty good gains. I got the advice from a guy who I thought was training naturally as he wasn't freaky or overly huge &/or ripped. Just a guy who was around 5ft11 & weighed 230lbs with great condtion. There were times he was ripped at that weight & other times not, & sometimes his weight would increase by 10lbs or so periodically. He always said he was natural & was a personal trainer. Well I just found out yesterday coincedently on arm day from this other personal trainer (also a fireman) who did some local bodybuilding & was on roids for a long time but has been training naturally for the last couple of years told me

NOT TO SUPER SET ARMS AS IT WILL CAUSE YOU TO OVERTRAIN YOUR GUNS. I believe this dude as he told me the guy I got my advice from is a big steroid freak & has been for several years & gave me an arm routine for someone on steroids.

This may be true, but if you have been gaining there is nothing to worry about. If it works for you, then it doesn't matter if it's a roid-routine. Your body is probably one that recovers very quickly. If you don't take advantage of this fact, then you aren't training optimally. You might want to try a different routine for a little bit just for change of pace, but if you make better gains supersettings then stick with it.

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He said it's best to do chest & biceps never triceps as your chest also has tricep involvement. He said it's best believe it or not to do tricep's either after back or on leg day. Never do triceps on shoulder day or a day before or after shoudler & never on the same day as chest. He also said never do back & biceps on the same day as your back involves your biceps a great deal.

This is one method of training, but not the only one. Some people do a push, pull, legs routine which is where they do chest, shoulders, and triceps all on the same day. As well, back and biceps are done on the same day. As long as you leave ample time for recovery you should be fine. There is no right way; try both methods and see which one works for you. Currently, I do chest and shoulders on the same day and they are my best body parts.

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He told me my arms might have been growing much more than they have been. So now I have to change my whole routine.

Steroid users can't expect natural training ppl to train the same way & grow the same way.

Only one way to find out... Try different stuff.

**Mudge** · 05-21-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Steroid users can't expect natural training ppl to train the same way & grow the same way.

It varies too much to pass a comment like that. I use low volume and heavy on some bodyparts, lighter on others, that is what works for me on or off cycle. Deep into a cycle I can use higher volume but I find little to no difference in any kind of gains, for me its intensity that forces new strength or size. This is why for me a spotter is neccessary on some things to make great gains.

As for being sore, that doesn't mean a whole lot. My bench can go up 5 or 10 pounds a week and not be tied to soreness at all. Right now on cycle I do find my training, which has been shifting, is making me sore for a few days at a time.

I like lockout benches better than CG for triceps, if I do CG it hits my chest to much, and I train arms on a seperate day.

I agree fully though that virtually everyone has to find what works for them, off the shelf routines dont work for everybody.

Johnnny · 05-21-2004, 02:30 PM

CowPimp

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This is one method of training, but not the only one. Some people do a push, pull, legs routine which is where they do chest, shoulders, and triceps all on the same day. As well, back and biceps are done on the same day. As long as you leave ample time for recovery you should be fine. There is no right way; try both methods and see which one works for you. Currently, I do chest and shoulders on the same day and they are my best body parts.

This in my personal experience is a biiiig no no. You never want to train chest & shoulders on the same day or on back to back days. This personal trainer/local bodybuilder dude said that & also said never to train triceps on the same day as chest or shoulders as there is a descent amount of triceps involved when doing chest & shoulders so your triceps will be over worked & not have the same strong workout as they would trained seperately.

But I'm going to train them seperately & see what happens. If it works better & make even faster gains, than I'll keep it this way.

Johnnny · 05-21-2004, 02:38 PM

Mudge but what about those guys who train overly hard on steroids for 2+hrs in the gym a day & recover & grow like that?

Mudge so you wouldn't recommend super setting bi's/tri's either?

**Mudge** · 05-21-2004, 08:43 PM

I dont superset but I'm sure I would like it as a changeup, if it works I can't tell someone to stop doing it.

I think training 2 hours + is just stupid, but thats JMO.

Johnnny · 05-21-2004, 08:50 PM

Mudge

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I dont superset but I'm sure I would like it as a changeup, if it works I can't tell someone to stop doing it.

Well, I'm going to change it up back to a 4 day a week routine as now in this routine I don't have one day just for arms. But I'm hoping my arm strength & size will change. If I gain much more than I have been, that says something & I'm gonna stick to seperating them.

Mudge

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I think training 2 hours + is just stupid, but thats JMO.

Most of the dudes I know who are on juice train at least 1.5hrs if not 2hrs. They really seem to gain & grow as opposed to training just 45mins or 1hr. Steroids as you know really cause fast recovery & fast growth. Back in the day Arnold, Franco, Lou & all of those guys were in the gym around 4hrs a day 4-5 times a week & look what results it produced. As you also know the amount of steroids the guys back then are no where near the amount of steroids & other hormones that the guys are on now.

**Mudge** · 05-21-2004, 10:36 PM

I can't train long unless I am deep into a cycle, right now low volume is what works for me.

Johnnny · 05-22-2004, 08:19 AM

Mudge so you start off light & work your way up to heavy lowering the reps each set? Or do you do one or 2 very light warm up sets & then get into the heavy right away & then lower the weight each set & increase the reps?

I started a thread on this, personally for me if I start off light & work my way up to heavy, I have not that much energy for the heavy set for 2-4 reps. I personally for every muscle stretch alot & do one or 2 very light warm up sets & then I do the 2-4 heavy set right away & then lower the weight & increase the reps each set. This works for me.

Mudge what do you think about how back in the day Arnold, Franco & Lou used to train for 4hrs a day?

**Mudge** · 05-22-2004, 03:35 PM

Generally I pick a weight and I stick with it. I dont lower the weight per set. This primarily works for benches where if I start light (10 reps) and then my reps dip, where if I started with a 6 rep set and did the same number of sets, I would only be doing 1-2 reps at the end of my sets.

When I bench, reps are generally 10/9/7/4, same weight.

I saw no factual commentary about 4 hour a day workouts from either of them. Being a steel worker, Lou had no time for 4 hour workouts. Most of that stuff is nothing more than legend. Most of the overtraining practices stemmed from the 1980s, however like I have said before I can go longer and run more sets when I am deep into a cycle. For those guys who are spending 8 months in a row cycling, they would definitely be able to train much more often without 'feeling' it until you start looking at connective tissues.

Johnnny · 05-22-2004, 07:54 PM

Mudge I've heard Arnold say in my Pumping Iron DVD & on Jay Leno that he would be in the gym for hours a day. 2hrs in the morning, & 2hrs in the evening.

Mudge what would you do if you were at a weight for 2-4reps? Would you remain at that weight for the rest of the sets?

**Mudge** · 05-23-2004, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by Johnnny
Mudge what would you do if you were at a weight for 2-4reps? Would you remain at that weight for the rest of the sets?

Normally I lose at least 1 rep per set, if I take longer rest periods sometimes I will not. When I am deep in a cycle I almost never lose more than 1 rep, this could perhaps be high red blood cell count, I dont really know. Unless I have gone into something 3 months plus which I have only done once., then my training is not very different from being natural. Since many of the pros are on year round, longer training is going to be somewhat natural for them to do.

I dont know what out of Arnold's mouth is believable and what is not. He has changed his stories on steroid use every 2-3 years, now his stance is along the lines of "I only used it for 4 weeks out from a very difficult competition," his PR person added 'if he knew then what he knows now he would not have used them.'

Being in politics almost requires lying to gain acceptance, and so I feel his is not honest about many things. It is easy to say "I am better than you because I didn't need steroids, I was in the gym 4 hours a day and thats why I looked that way, not because of steroids."

2 hours a day is not terribly abnormal, either in a split situation or all in one go. There are legends of 50 sets per bodypart style training but I dont feel that era lasted very long, nor did it produce superior results as we see todays bodybuilders are much bigger and do far less.

Troy Zuccolotto laughed at the ghost written piece that was done on his calf routine, he only does 5 sets, not 20+. I think this is half of the bullcrap cover provided as to why normal people can't look like bodybuilders, because they "are in the gym 5 times longer than you are."

If I were wrong I wouldn't care, regardless I dont think its smart or required. 20 sets for some bodyparts? Sure, but not 50. Muscles are only one part of the picture here, if your tendons and ligaments are shot you wont last long.

jaim91 · 05-23-2004, 06:10 AM

"When I bench, reps are generally 10/9/7/4, same weight." - What does this do? It's not high volume/weight, or high reps?

Johnnny · 05-23-2004, 08:11 AM

Mudge yeah I agree with everything. But the ligaments I agree with they can only take so much. What's the best way to strengthen your knees?

I was just curious how long ago was your first injection or first pill pop? & what did you take & how did it feel & how were the results?

**CowPimp** · 05-23-2004, 03:50 PM

Sometimes I have to lose quite a few reps on subsequent sets. If I use a slow tempo and only wait one minute in between sets, then sometimes my reps will drop from 10 to 6 or something of the sort. When I started using a slower tempo I had to adjust weights for certain exercises because when I don't do them first I can't do nearly as much.

**Mudge** · 05-23-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by jaim91
"When I bench, reps are generally 10/9/7/4, same weight." - What does this do? It's not high volume/weight, or high reps?

I dont do high volume as I've said (currently) and I dont do high reps outside of 10. For bench I can't pull it off without losing strength. That is what works for me bench wise, for my back and my legs my routine is heavier, and also low volume.

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05-13-2004, 10:04 AM	#32
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Sometimes I lose strength from one week to the next but that's mainly do to my thyroid going up & down. They just had to lower my synthroid dosages from .10mg a day down to .88mg a day as it was getting into the hyper state. When it's in the hyper state you're in the catabolic risk area. When I was doing less work than the last month for certain muscle groups, sometimes I felt like I was under training. Is this possible? I assume yes. If someone is doing 20 sets total for chest, 25-30 sets for back, 25 sets for arms, 20-25 sets for legs & 15 sets for traps, would this sound like someone training while on steroids? One friend of mine who has told me he's taken steroids before like deca, suspension & other things. Do the amounts of sets he does, sound like the type of routine for someon on juice? I'm just wondering if he's lying to me about being natural. He says he wishes he could get his hands on some stuff. To me what he does sounds like way to much for a natural person.

05-13-2004, 11:49 AM	#34
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Well this guy (not the same guy as in my PM's) was in my class all through highschool. Like I said he's taken several different steroids before. Some of the time he was honest about it. Other times he was dishonest & I found out through other ppl that he's been on stuff but didn't want to say. Presently he says he's natural & he does the same amount of set scheme as mentioned above. In highschool he was small & a bit fat. In grade 10 he did bench 205lbs for several reps. But I doubt he is a genetic marvel. He's even trying to get me to train like him for some reason even though he knows I'm not on roids. There's this 30yr old guy I know at the gym who is about the same height as me, but only 190lbs pretty lean. He told me that he only took steroids just a few times during Cegep & never touched them again. I just found out from the guy I'm talking about above that he heard this 30yr old guy is still off & on taking steroids he gets from one of the personal trainers Roy Callender at our gym. He's been lying to us all along. Last year he gained 20lbs in about 6 weeks & he said it was from 1-AD & then he lost half of it a month later. Well the guy mentioned above found out from someone else that he was on steroids during the time that he said he was on 1-AD. Point is I don't know whether or not to believe the guy at the top of this reply about being natural or not & not do as many sets as him per body part & cause over training.

05-13-2004, 02:23 PM	#36
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	I know, I know you have to focus on yourself & set short term goals eventually long term or you'll never improve. But it gets discouraging if you've worked hard for 4-6 months & managed to gain 5lbs of muscle when your buddy someone you know gains 15-20lbs in 6 weeks & keeps 5-10lbs or so post cycle depending on the person.

05-13-2004, 05:34 PM	#38
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Yeah I've heard that. I see guys come off roids after being on them for 5-10yrs, & after several months after withdrawl, they usually look better & some ppl even lifting almost as much as they were on roids.

05-21-2004, 08:44 AM	#39
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	I hate when guys either don't know what they're doing give bad advice, or when steroid users give advice on training that's only suited for steroid users expecting everyone to be on roids giving natural training ppl training advice on routines etc.... that's normally used for steroid users. As I said I've been super setting bi's & tri's for almost 5yrs & had pretty good gains. I got the advice from a guy who I thought was training naturally as he wasn't freaky or overly huge &/or ripped. Just a guy who was around 5ft11 & weighed 230lbs with great condtion. There were times he was ripped at that weight & other times not, & sometimes his weight would increase by 10lbs or so periodically. He always said he was natural & was a personal trainer. Well I just found out yesterday coincedently on arm day from this other personal trainer (also a fireman) who did some local bodybuilding & was on roids for a long time but has been training naturally for the last couple of years told me NOT TO SUPER SET ARMS AS IT WILL CAUSE YOU TO OVERTRAIN YOUR GUNS. I believe this dude as he told me the guy I got my advice from is a big steroid freak & has been for several years & gave me an arm routine for someone on steroids. He said it's best to do chest & biceps never triceps as your chest also has tricep involvement. He said it's best believe it or not to do tricep's either after back or on leg day. Never do triceps on shoulder day or a day before or after shoudler & never on the same day as chest. He also said never do back & biceps on the same day as your back involves your biceps a great deal. He told me my arms might have been growing much more than they have been. So now I have to change my whole routine. Steroid users can't expect natural training ppl to train the same way & grow the same way.

05-21-2004, 02:38 PM	#43
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Mudge but what about those guys who train overly hard on steroids for 2+hrs in the gym a day & recover & grow like that? Mudge so you wouldn't recommend super setting bi's/tri's either?

05-21-2004, 08:43 PM	#44
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,071 Photos: 1	I dont superset but I'm sure I would like it as a changeup, if it works I can't tell someone to stop doing it. I think training 2 hours + is just stupid, but thats JMO.

05-21-2004, 10:36 PM	#46
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,071 Photos: 1	I can't train long unless I am deep into a cycle, right now low volume is what works for me.

05-22-2004, 08:19 AM	#47
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Mudge so you start off light & work your way up to heavy lowering the reps each set? Or do you do one or 2 very light warm up sets & then get into the heavy right away & then lower the weight each set & increase the reps? I started a thread on this, personally for me if I start off light & work my way up to heavy, I have not that much energy for the heavy set for 2-4 reps. I personally for every muscle stretch alot & do one or 2 very light warm up sets & then I do the 2-4 heavy set right away & then lower the weight & increase the reps each set. This works for me. Mudge what do you think about how back in the day Arnold, Franco & Lou used to train for 4hrs a day?

05-22-2004, 07:54 PM	#49
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Mudge I've heard Arnold say in my Pumping Iron DVD & on Jay Leno that he would be in the gym for hours a day. 2hrs in the morning, & 2hrs in the evening. Mudge what would you do if you were at a weight for 2-4reps? Would you remain at that weight for the rest of the sets?

05-23-2004, 06:10 AM	#51
jaim91 Ms. Olympia Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,484 Photos: 16	"When I bench, reps are generally 10/9/7/4, same weight." - What does this do? It's not high volume/weight, or high reps?

05-23-2004, 08:11 AM	#52
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Mudge yeah I agree with everything. But the ligaments I agree with they can only take so much. What's the best way to strengthen your knees? I was just curious how long ago was your first injection or first pill pop? & what did you take & how did it feel & how were the results?