Super setting Biceps & Triceps provides amazing growth

Johnnny · 06-06-2004, 09:15 AM

Randy

The pump we are referring to is for example the feeling your bicep gets when it feels like it's going to burst through the skin. Same with any muscle.

I always get that feeling on ever workout for every muscle especially in my lats & chest. But my biceps & triceps get really pumped even after just a warm up set & get even more pumped & full by the end of the session.

Novo

I'm not trying to re-vive anything here. The subject came up.

Cowpimp

Like I said I've been training for about 10yrs & have always trained in the 2-4 rep range for mass & strength while following a good diet so I don't get even more bulky.

But since I've altered my training methods about 5 weeks ago I can't remember exactly when, I've seen a big difference in my shape. I'm getting much tighter & leaner & at the rate I'm going I'll be ready for pictures much sooner than I expected.

Like I said I haven't changed my diet at all, I haven't changed my cardio at all. All I have changed is my training method & it has made a big difference in my shape.

But I guess that doesn't matter even though it is working for me as what I want right now is a harder, leaner, more shaped body.

I haven't lost much weight either. I'm still around 210lbs.

All I can say is like it or not, believe it or not, that theory is working for me right now. Prince has always said to find what works for you depending on what your goals are physique wise. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.

**Prince** · 06-06-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Robert DiMaggio
You always promote telling us to find out what works for our bodies depending on what our goals are.

Are you telling me my results from this change are not real?

that is correct, we are al individuals and have to find out what works best for our bodies.

you may be responding better to higher reps either because it's something different and/or because your body type responds better to higher reps due to muscle fibers.

what I was referring to when I said you need to take a physiology course was where you said that higher reps make your muscles tighter.

do you also believe that crunches make your abs leaner?

Randy · 06-06-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

do you also believe that crunches make your abs leaner?

I sure wish they did.

JLB001 · 06-06-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

do you also believe that crunches make your abs leaner?

I swear that is how mine got lean.

Randy · 06-06-2004, 01:46 PM

If you are already somewhat lean then crunches will help define your ab muscles.
If you have a high percent of body fat then you can do 1000 a day and it won't burn the fat. You need diet, nutrician, and cardio to do that. That's my take anyway.

**Mudge** · 06-06-2004, 02:31 PM

It would "define" them by making them larger and thusly more visible. You can't turn fat into muscle so, yes you'd have to be lean to see them. I can see my abs somewhat though even when I'm fat.

Randy · 06-06-2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I can see my abs somewhat though even when I'm fat.

Wish I could... All I see is a big gut

**gopro** · 06-07-2004, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Wish I could... All I see is a big gut

And the violins begin playing for Randy...LOL!

Johnnny · 06-07-2004, 02:07 PM

Robert DiMaggio

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that is correct, we are al individuals and have to find out what works best for our bodies.

I totally agree with you, but I'm not saying that using much heavier weights & the 2-4 rep scheme didn't work. It did work for building strength, power, thickness, b/c it sure did. Before my hyper thyroid fiascal caused by those supplements as you know I still had descent shape. But not like I'm starting to develop now. I'm starting to see veins coming into my arms, upper chest, front & rear delts, & in my lats around the arm pit area which is something I never had before.

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you may be responding better to higher reps either because it's something different and/or because your body type responds better to higher reps due to muscle fibers

For developing better shape I think my body is responding to this method much better, plus it's something I hadn't done very often. But I still do one set really heavy with 2-4 reps usually the 1st set of an exercise for just one set & the following sets go as high as 12-15 reps with about 20lbs lighter at most than a weight that I would do 2-4 reps.

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what I was referring to when I said you need to take a physiology course was where you said that higher reps make your muscles tighter.

Well for me this method is making my body much tighter for some reason. Like I said I haven't changed my diet or cardio. I've only changed my training method.

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do you also believe that crunches make your abs leaner?

No I don't. Keeping a good diet & doing cardio 3-4 times a week keeps fat off & gets you lean to start showing abs. But if you don't develop your ab muscles, than even if you're lean enough, you won't see any abs if there are no muscles there.

I've seen some really lean guys, but had next to no abs it was just flat completely.

Mudge

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It would "define" them by making them larger and thusly more visible. You can't turn fat into muscle so, yes you'd have to be lean to see them. I can see my abs somewhat though even when I'm fat.

Completely agree with you. You have to follow a good diet & burn the fat off.
But as I said if you have no ab muscles, it won't matter how lean you are.

Randy · 06-07-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

And the violins begin playing for Randy...LOL!

Thanks for your utmost concern Gopro

Saturday Fever · 06-07-2004, 02:23 PM

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what I was referring to when I said you need to take a physiology course

Everyone should take a physiology course. It would cut down on a lot of stupid conversations.

Randy · 06-07-2004, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Everyone should take a physiology course. It would cut down on a lot of stupid conversations.

Saturday,

I suppose we can use you as the perfect role model

Saturday Fever · 06-07-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Wish I could... All I see is a big gut

You're obviously intelligent. You not only speak with the maturity of a 6 year old, you can't even train correctly. When you can lift what I can lift, come back and tell me what I know is less than what you know. Until then, live in your mediocrity. Thanks, drive through.

Randy · 06-07-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

You're obviously intelligent. You not only speak with the maturity of a 6 year old, you can't even train correctly. When you can lift what I can lift, come back and tell me what I know is less than what you know. Until then, live in your mediocrity. Thanks, drive through.

I speak with the maturity of a 6 year old. Who are you to judge? I think you should first examine what you just wrote? First off you, you don't know me from Adam. So how do you know what I can lift? And if I didn't lift as much as you, does that mean I am less superior?

. I think that statement alone speaks for your maturity.

Now your closing statement, "Thanks, drive though?" What the hell does that mean Mr. Maturity Model?

Saturday Fever · 06-07-2004, 02:48 PM

It means you don't know shit.

You ride a bandwagon. I derailed that bandwagon discussing dips last week and all you could think to say was, "wheres my coffee?"

You couldn't lift my coffee. Discuss my maturity level all you want. I know it's comparable to a child's. Where you and I differ is that my intelligence far exceeds that of a child whereas your intelligence is solely dependant on what you're told by your idol.

So go take a physiology course, learn some real facts. Learn something.

Randy · 06-07-2004, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

It means you don't know shit.

You ride a bandwagon. I derailed that bandwagon discussing dips last week and all you could think to say was, "wheres my coffee?"

You couldn't lift my coffee. Discuss my maturity level all you want. I know it's comparable to a child's. Where you and I differ is that my intelligence far exceeds that of a child whereas your intelligence is solely dependant on what you're told by your idol.

So go take a physiology course, learn some real facts. Learn something.

Saturday, if only I could have grown up to be like you

Saturday Fever · 06-07-2004, 03:01 PM

If only. But you're in California. California community colleges offer UC-level anatomy and physiology courses for like $60, unless tuition got jacked again.

There's no reason not to take the class when it teaches such an advanced level and costs so little.

Randy · 06-07-2004, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Everyone should take a physiology course. It would cut down on a lot of stupid conversations.

Saturday... I don't think many here would disagree with the benefits of education. The issue here is your smart-ass derogatory comment above. Try to think about that a minute. Who are you to judge the conversations here on this forum? There are people from all walks of life here, people from all skill levels, and various ages. What is stupid to you may not be stupid to them. Those that have true knowledge don't have to go around flaunting their knowledge to others, and putting others down for having less knowledge. This is a bodybuilding forum for people to learn, discuss bodybuilding, motivate, and share tips with others. If there is a conversation that you think is stupid, then why don't you move on to another thread instead of cast your derogatory comments?

Saturday Fever · 06-07-2004, 03:28 PM

I do not call anyone stupid due to their being a beginner or coming here to learn. When I call someone stupid it's because they've been given the answer(s), sometimes numerous times, and yet they refuse to accept it.

However, in the interest of not scaring off newcomers, I will get more specific in future posts.

Randy · 06-07-2004, 03:32 PM

I can accept that

jaim91 · 06-07-2004, 04:36 PM

Guys, can we keep this strictly to a training post?

Randy · 06-07-2004, 05:49 PM

We are Jaimie, we're training our mouths

06-06-2004, 01:43 PM	#124
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	Quote: Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio do you also believe that crunches make your abs leaner? I swear that is how mine got lean.
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06-06-2004, 01:46 PM	#125
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	If you are already somewhat lean then crunches will help define your ab muscles. If you have a high percent of body fat then you can do 1000 a day and it won't burn the fat. You need diet, nutrician, and cardio to do that. That's my take anyway.
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06-07-2004, 02:48 PM	#135
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	It means you don't know shit. You ride a bandwagon. I derailed that bandwagon discussing dips last week and all you could think to say was, "wheres my coffee?" You couldn't lift my coffee. Discuss my maturity level all you want. I know it's comparable to a child's. Where you and I differ is that my intelligence far exceeds that of a child whereas your intelligence is solely dependant on what you're told by your idol. So go take a physiology course, learn some real facts. Learn something.
	yay.

06-07-2004, 03:01 PM	#137
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	If only. But you're in California. California community colleges offer UC-level anatomy and physiology courses for like $60, unless tuition got jacked again. There's no reason not to take the class when it teaches such an advanced level and costs so little.
	yay.

06-07-2004, 03:28 PM	#139
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	I do not call anyone stupid due to their being a beginner or coming here to learn. When I call someone stupid it's because they've been given the answer(s), sometimes numerous times, and yet they refuse to accept it. However, in the interest of not scaring off newcomers, I will get more specific in future posts.
	yay.

06-06-2004, 09:15 AM	#121
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Randy The pump we are referring to is for example the feeling your bicep gets when it feels like it's going to burst through the skin. Same with any muscle. I always get that feeling on ever workout for every muscle especially in my lats & chest. But my biceps & triceps get really pumped even after just a warm up set & get even more pumped & full by the end of the session. Novo I'm not trying to re-vive anything here. The subject came up. Cowpimp Like I said I've been training for about 10yrs & have always trained in the 2-4 rep range for mass & strength while following a good diet so I don't get even more bulky. But since I've altered my training methods about 5 weeks ago I can't remember exactly when, I've seen a big difference in my shape. I'm getting much tighter & leaner & at the rate I'm going I'll be ready for pictures much sooner than I expected. Like I said I haven't changed my diet at all, I haven't changed my cardio at all. All I have changed is my training method & it has made a big difference in my shape. But I guess that doesn't matter even though it is working for me as what I want right now is a harder, leaner, more shaped body. I haven't lost much weight either. I'm still around 210lbs. All I can say is like it or not, believe it or not, that theory is working for me right now. Prince has always said to find what works for you depending on what your goals are physique wise. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.

06-06-2004, 02:31 PM	#126
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	It would "define" them by making them larger and thusly more visible. You can't turn fat into muscle so, yes you'd have to be lean to see them. I can see my abs somewhat though even when I'm fat.

06-07-2004, 03:32 PM	#140
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I can accept that
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06-07-2004, 04:36 PM	#141
jaim91 Ms. Olympia Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,484 Photos: 16	Guys, can we keep this strictly to a training post?

06-07-2004, 05:49 PM	#142
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	We are Jaimie, we're training our mouths
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06-07-2004, 05:52 PM	#143
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