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Johnnny · 06-10-2004, 12:21 PM

Gopro,

In regards to Markus Rhul being one of the biggest & most muscular pro IFBB bodybuilders in the world, what about Canadian grea IFBB pro Greg Kovacs?

He is about 6ft3 & now more than 300lbs ripped to the bone. He was about 290lbs ripped to the bone about 5yrs ago. My cousin who also played football went to the same highschool as Greg Kovacs. My cousin was in grade 9 & Greg was in grade 11 2yrs older. He was already 240lbs at about 18yrs old with good condition & benching 315lbs for reps. I have some pics of him when he first came around in the Canadian magazine Muscle Mag. They are the same company that make the Muscle Tech products. They are in Missisauga I believe.

He has a ripped 25inc arm & has a bench press over 600lbs & over a 300lbs seated military press in the front.

I know he's on juice, & the growth hormone/insulin stack but even so he is bigger & just as ripped as Markus (who I also like).

**gopro** · 06-10-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Gopro,

In regards to Markus Rhul being one of the biggest & most muscular pro IFBB bodybuilders in the world, what about Canadian grea IFBB pro Greg Kovacs?

He is about 6ft3 & now more than 300lbs ripped to the bone. He was about 290lbs ripped to the bone about 5yrs ago. My cousin who also played football went to the same highschool as Greg Kovacs. My cousin was in grade 9 & Greg was in grade 11 2yrs older. He was already 240lbs at about 18yrs old with good condition & benching 315lbs for reps. I have some pics of him when he first came around in the Canadian magazine Muscle Mag. They are the same company that make the Muscle Tech products. They are in Missisauga I believe.

He has a ripped 25inc arm & has a bench press over 600lbs & over a 300lbs seated military press in the front.

I know he's on juice, & the growth hormone/insulin stack but even so he is bigger & just as ripped as Markus (who I also like).

Physiquewise he is nowhere near Markus as evidenced by the fact that Greg has NEVER placed even top 15 in any pro show he ever entered. In fact, he has gotten worse, not better, since turning pro. He may outweigh Markus, but that is only b/c he is taller...and he does not get nearly as hard as Markus. If Markus was as tall as Greg with the same proportions he would actually make Greg look small.

Johnnny · 06-10-2004, 12:35 PM

gopro

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Physiquewise he is nowhere near Markus as evidenced by the fact that Greg has NEVER placed even top 15 in any pro show he ever entered. In fact, he has gotten worse, not better, since turning pro. He may outweigh Markus, but that is only b/c he is taller...and he does not get nearly as hard as Markus. If Markus was as tall as Greg with the same proportions he would actually make Greg look small.

You are right about his rankings & being taller. I was just wondering if you liked him & what you thought of him?

Do you think there are alot of good bodybuilders in pro ranks & other ranks that are good or should place higher whatever the category is or where the show takes place & aren't always being judged fairly?

Sometimes I think so.

**Mudge** · 06-10-2004, 12:37 PM

Kovacs is 6'2" unless he has somehow stretched out, yes he is a big facker but his gut is beyond big. 3 inches also adds weight fast, I know because I'm 6'2" also. I would also say that he is much stronger than you are quoting unless the stories of old were lies.

Kevine Levrone does 405 behind the neck for a few reps, 315 is STANDARD for a bodybuilder, the little guys do that stuff. I can pump 225 to the front for 5 and I'm only about half as strong as the big guys.

While Ruhl is huge I'm no big fan of his either, his triceps unfortunately suck.

Randy · 06-10-2004, 02:12 PM

Here it is.. I thought there was underwater body fat testing...

HYDROSTATIC WEIGHING (Hydrodensitometry, Underwater Weighing, Dunk Tank)

This method is considered by many to be the “gold standard” of all the body fat testing devices. This is the big one, the head honcho, and the most accurate method to date. Why is it so reliable?

Fist off, there is a very large variety of equipment available that is designed to use this method. Some use a stainless steel tank; others use a simple cot or chair mounted on underwater scales. Others still with a chair and scale that is lowered into a small pool or hot tub.

Before you get “dunked”, you must first be weighed outside the tank. You are then totally submerged under water where you will be weighed again. The density of bone and muscles are higher than the density of water, fat however is less dense than water. So technically, a person with more Lean Body Mass (LBM) will weigh more in water than a person with less LBM. This means that they have a higher Body Density (DB) and lower body fat percentage.

With the use of standardized formulas, the volume of the boy is calculated (using the results of the underwater scales). Then, using the Siri formula (remember: BF% = [(4.57/DB) – 4.142] x 100), the body fat percentage is calculated.

Hydrostatic weighing is based on the Archimedes’s Principle. This principle simply states that the weight loss under water is directly proportional to the volume of water displaced, where body volume is equal to the body weight minus the underwater weight divided by the density of water. Using this method, the examiner measures the amount of water you displace when you first enter the tank.

There are some factors, however, that can throw off the results. The amount of fluid in your body (water retention, like if you are taking creatine), skin temperature, not exhaling enough air out of your lungs when you are submerged, volume of intestinal gas, water temperature (too high or low) can affect the results. If everything is perfect, then hydrostatic weighing should calculate your body fat within 1% of its actual percentage.

**gopro** · 06-10-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

gopro
You are right about his rankings & being taller. I was just wondering if you liked him & what you thought of him?

Do you think there are alot of good bodybuilders in pro ranks & other ranks that are good or should place higher whatever the category is or where the show takes place & aren't always being judged fairly?

Sometimes I think so.

Well, in his last show he looked awful. His stomach and obliques look deformed. He will never be a factor in a pro show. But he is one huge and strong mofo for sure.

And yes, I see contests at all levels where people are either not judged fairly or my taste in physique just doesn't mesh with the judges.

Hell, I usually get to sit in the press pit of every pro show now b/c of my job and I just watched the Night of Champions this way and totally disagreed with the winner!

Saturday Fever · 06-10-2004, 03:30 PM

Great post Randy. I believe that is the only true test of bodyfat. The rest are all fun but shouldn't be taken too seriously, in my opinion.

Randy · 06-10-2004, 03:39 PM

Thank you Saturday.

**gopro** · 06-10-2004, 03:50 PM

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Thank you Saturday.

Thank him today Randy, why wait till Saturday?

Randy · 06-10-2004, 05:51 PM

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Thank him today Randy, why wait till Saturday?

Johnnny · 06-10-2004, 10:02 PM

Mudge

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Kovacs is 6'2" unless he has somehow stretched out, yes he is a big facker but his gut is beyond big. 3 inches also adds weight fast, I know because I'm 6'2" also. I would also say that he is much stronger than you are quoting unless the stories of old were lies.

Well I was just giving a rough estimate on his height as I couldn't remember his exact height.

You say being tall adds weight? Obviously being taller adds more weight, but do you also mean that taller ppl build muscle faster? I would think that shorter ppl would as their range of motion is greatly reduced as their arms & legs aren't as long.

Same goes for his strength. I was giving just rough estimates from articles & pictures I saw from 1999. I've seen him with 6 45lb weights on each side of the bar for bench press & I saw 4 45lb weights on each side of the bar for military press in the front on the heavy barred smith machine.

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Kevine Levrone does 405 behind the neck for a few reps, 315 is STANDARD for a bodybuilder, the little guys do that stuff. I can pump 225 to the front for 5 and I'm only about half as strong as the big guys.

I always thought that behind the neck press is very hard on your rotator cuffs, neck & spine. As for 225lbs military press in the front, I was doing that for about 4-6 reps when I was much stronger (never taken drugs) at a weight of about 227lbs at 5ft9 with descent condition. Currently I'm doing about 205lbs for 4-5 reps in the front. I'm trying to get back.

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While Ruhl is huge I'm no big fan of his either, his triceps unfortunately suck.

I personally like him & his size/condition. I can personally say that his triceps don't suck as I've met him in person seen his triceps, & watched him train triceps & they are very good.

Gopro

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Well, in his last show he looked awful. His stomach and obliques look deformed. He will never be a factor in a pro show. But he is one huge and strong mofo for sure.

You are right about his abs being all screwed up even though they were ripped. They were even criticising him in the Canadian magazine Muscle Mag this month about his weirdly shaped abs. But he is one huge & strong mofo as you put it.

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And yes, I see contests at all levels where people are either not judged fairly or my taste in physique just doesn't mesh with the judges.

Maybe the judges have something personal against certain bodybuilders & rank them poorly or something. One guy I always liked from back in the day
was Samir Banout who only one won Mr.O & I think he should've & could've one more. Same goes for Frank Zane & Lou Ferrigno.

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Hell, I usually get to sit in the press pit of every pro show now b/c of my job and I just watched the Night of Champions this way and totally disagreed with the winner!

How do you get those gigs? That's pretty cool. Have you ever met Arnold?
& what other ppl have you met?

**Mudge** · 06-10-2004, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

You say being tall adds weight? Obviously being taller adds more weight, but do you also mean that taller ppl build muscle faster?

No, the rate is generally the same but it will show up much faster on a shorter person. Filling out a tall frame is a crappy task, ask me about it sometime.

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I always thought that behind the neck press is very hard on your rotator cuffs, neck & spine.

Dont go down past the ears if you want to save the rotators, I dont do them at all.

Johnnny · 06-11-2004, 06:47 AM

Mudge

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No, the rate is generally the same but it will show up much faster on a shorter person. Filling out a tall frame is a crappy task, ask me about it sometime.

This is true about shorter & taller ppl. The range of motion is one factor making it harder for taller ppl. I have one friend who is around 6ft3 & in highschool was only 185lbs & an ectomorph on top of it. By the time he finished highschool & started college he got his sh!t straight. Learned how to train & eat properly eating about 7 or 8 times a day. It took 4yrs to naturally reach 220lbs.

You can imagine that he never touched a treadmill or set foot on a stairmaster not even once as if he did he'd lose some mass as that happened to him one time.

Then about 3yrs ago he started taking juice & blew up to about 245lbs at 6ft3. He is currently on a break & weighs about 230lbs.

jaim91 · 06-11-2004, 07:09 AM

I can't afford underwater bodyfat testing. But I've done all the others 7 point caliper, 3 point, scale...I just figured that out of all of them this thing that shoots electronic waves into yoru body would be the most accurate. in reagrds to seeing the insulin produced in my body, I'm not there yet. But I have veings coming out of my stomach and everywhere else. The vascularity is unbelievable...

**gopro** · 06-11-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jaim91

I can't afford underwater bodyfat testing. But I've done all the others 7 point caliper, 3 point, scale...I just figured that out of all of them this thing that shoots electronic waves into yoru body would be the most accurate. in reagrds to seeing the insulin produced in my body, I'm not there yet. But I have veings coming out of my stomach and everywhere else. The vascularity is unbelievable...

The fat testing method you are referring to...Biolectrical Impedence...is actually one of the most INNACURATE testing methods! It can measure you completely different morning to night depending on your level of hydration. Aside from under water weighing, if you have a good, experienced person using calipers, that is your best bet.

**gopro** · 06-11-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Mudge

Gopro

You are right about his abs being all screwed up even though they were ripped. They were even criticising him in the Canadian magazine Muscle Mag this month about his weirdly shaped abs. But he is one huge & strong mofo as you put it.

Maybe the judges have something personal against certain bodybuilders & rank them poorly or something. One guy I always liked from back in the day
was Samir Banout who only one won Mr.O & I think he should've & could've one more. Same goes for Frank Zane & Lou Ferrigno.

How do you get those gigs? That's pretty cool. Have you ever met Arnold?
& what other ppl have you met?

Yes, Samir was excellent, but only achieved that awesome condition at the 1983 Olympia. After that he declined as far as physique goes. Also, it was the following year that Lee Haney came into the sport and dominated the Mr O after that until 1991. Samir had little chance against him, and in fact dropped to 6th place in 1984.

I get those gigs because I work for one of the largest sports supplement companies in the business, and one of my jobs is to review some of the biggest pro shows of the year...The Ironman, Arnold Classis, NOC, Show of Strength, Olympia...and write about it in Human Muscle Performance magazine. So, when I go to these shows me and our photographer sit in the press pit which is literally on top of the stage,and I watch and take my notes for my articles. Sometimes I go backstage as well.

I HAVE met Arnold, Lou, Franco, and almost every other pro you could mention, as well as most of the ladies as well. I am particularly close with Nasser El Sonbaty and had dinner with him (and 2 pretty fitness models) at the 2003 Olympia.

jaim91 · 06-11-2004, 04:42 PM

Thank, but you live in California...

Why is it so innacurate Gopro?

**Prince** · 06-11-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim91

Why is it so innacurate Gopro?

he answered that, it's affected by water:

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Originally Posted by gopro

It can measure you completely different morning to night depending on your level of hydration.

Saturday Fever · 06-11-2004, 04:59 PM

It reads incorrectly if your body temperature is higher. If you are full of water, if you just ate food, if you just worked out.

There are far too many variables that the bioimpedance doesn't cope with. It is a great tool for getting a rough idea, though.

Saturday Fever · 06-11-2004, 05:00 PM

For what it's worth, I've done bioimpedance pre-workout and had it read 6% only to have it read 14% post-workout. Damned if I didn't run around telling people I was 6% though.

**gopro** · 06-11-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

For what it's worth, I've done bioimpedance pre-workout and had it read 6% only to have it read 14% post-workout. Damned if I didn't run around telling people I was 6% though.

And there's my point...ridiculous variations can occur!!

**Mudge** · 06-12-2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jaim91

Why is it so innacurate Gopro?

It measures the resistance in your body, anything could throw it off. From eating vs running on empty to just plain near anything. Get some calipers.

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06-10-2004, 02:12 PM	#185
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Here it is.. I thought there was underwater body fat testing... HYDROSTATIC WEIGHING (Hydrodensitometry, Underwater Weighing, Dunk Tank) This method is considered by many to be the “gold standard” of all the body fat testing devices. This is the big one, the head honcho, and the most accurate method to date. Why is it so reliable? Fist off, there is a very large variety of equipment available that is designed to use this method. Some use a stainless steel tank; others use a simple cot or chair mounted on underwater scales. Others still with a chair and scale that is lowered into a small pool or hot tub. Before you get “dunked”, you must first be weighed outside the tank. You are then totally submerged under water where you will be weighed again. The density of bone and muscles are higher than the density of water, fat however is less dense than water. So technically, a person with more Lean Body Mass (LBM) will weigh more in water than a person with less LBM. This means that they have a higher Body Density (DB) and lower body fat percentage. With the use of standardized formulas, the volume of the boy is calculated (using the results of the underwater scales). Then, using the Siri formula (remember: BF% = [(4.57/DB) – 4.142] x 100), the body fat percentage is calculated. Hydrostatic weighing is based on the Archimedes’s Principle. This principle simply states that the weight loss under water is directly proportional to the volume of water displaced, where body volume is equal to the body weight minus the underwater weight divided by the density of water. Using this method, the examiner measures the amount of water you displace when you first enter the tank. There are some factors, however, that can throw off the results. The amount of fluid in your body (water retention, like if you are taking creatine), skin temperature, not exhaling enough air out of your lungs when you are submerged, volume of intestinal gas, water temperature (too high or low) can affect the results. If everything is perfect, then hydrostatic weighing should calculate your body fat within 1% of its actual percentage.
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Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	Great post Randy. I believe that is the only true test of bodyfat. The rest are all fun but shouldn't be taken too seriously, in my opinion.
	yay.

06-10-2004, 03:39 PM	#188
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Thank you Saturday.
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06-11-2004, 04:59 PM	#199
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	It reads incorrectly if your body temperature is higher. If you are full of water, if you just ate food, if you just worked out. There are far too many variables that the bioimpedance doesn't cope with. It is a great tool for getting a rough idea, though.
	yay.

06-10-2004, 12:21 PM	#181
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Gopro, In regards to Markus Rhul being one of the biggest & most muscular pro IFBB bodybuilders in the world, what about Canadian grea IFBB pro Greg Kovacs? He is about 6ft3 & now more than 300lbs ripped to the bone. He was about 290lbs ripped to the bone about 5yrs ago. My cousin who also played football went to the same highschool as Greg Kovacs. My cousin was in grade 9 & Greg was in grade 11 2yrs older. He was already 240lbs at about 18yrs old with good condition & benching 315lbs for reps. I have some pics of him when he first came around in the Canadian magazine Muscle Mag. They are the same company that make the Muscle Tech products. They are in Missisauga I believe. He has a ripped 25inc arm & has a bench press over 600lbs & over a 300lbs seated military press in the front. I know he's on juice, & the growth hormone/insulin stack but even so he is bigger & just as ripped as Markus (who I also like).

06-11-2004, 07:09 AM	#194
jaim91 Ms. Olympia Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,484 Photos: 16	I can't afford underwater bodyfat testing. But I've done all the others 7 point caliper, 3 point, scale...I just figured that out of all of them this thing that shoots electronic waves into yoru body would be the most accurate. in reagrds to seeing the insulin produced in my body, I'm not there yet. But I have veings coming out of my stomach and everywhere else. The vascularity is unbelievable...

06-11-2004, 04:42 PM	#197
jaim91 Ms. Olympia Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,484 Photos: 16	Thank, but you live in California... Why is it so innacurate Gopro?

06-11-2004, 05:00 PM	#200
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	For what it's worth, I've done bioimpedance pre-workout and had it read 6% only to have it read 14% post-workout. Damned if I didn't run around telling people I was 6% though.
	yay.