Thread: Here is the guy I'm getting my most recent advice from.

Just because he looks good doesn't mean that he knows what the hell he is talking about.

This isn't the type of reply I was hoping to hear. In my opinion if you look that way & have been certified for personal training, than you do know what you are talking about.

Even though he's been on drugs, to get the body he has, he still has to know what he is doing in order to grow. I see guys taking steroids (real ones) & they don't gain much as I over hear them complaining. Then I watch how they train, & then I realize this is why they aren't gaining because their training sucks.

So looking the way Arnold Schwarzenegger or Roy Callender did, you don't think they know what they are doing?

Why criticise this guy? He knows quite a bit, he's about 29yrs old & has been training since he was 15yrs old. So it's safe to say he knows what he's doing, just look at him. You don't get that way by not knowing what you're doing. Plus my gym wouldn't hire ppl for personal trainers who didn't know what they were doing.

Oh really?? I am a personal trainer and there is a guy that is a trainer at my gym. He is a freind of mine, a really great guy. he is big and all juiced up but guess what.....he knows absolutly shit about training people or giving advice. A great guy, but he can't trin people for shit. Also, if you ask him about diet or anything like that he is clueless.

I am not critcising the guy. He may know his shit. All I was saying was that it means nothing by how he looks.

Show us some pictures of yourself in 6 months and then we will decide.

Originally posted by Johnnny
Even though he's been on drugs, to get the body he has, he still has to know what he is doing in order to grow.

Maybe he has awesome genetics, that combined wiith drugs, and presto!

Riverdragon what does this guy have to do with me? Nothing.
As for pics of myself, I'm waiting until I'm in the best shape possible, if I posted them now the pics would show good thickness, but a little bit of fat on the gut uncontrolably caused by my thyroid treatment which is currently on track & improving.

P-funk well it sure sounds like you were criticising him. When I see him training, he sure trains his clients well, & does a lot of similar exercises that I do.

I just wanted opinions on his physique. But currently he's not on drugs.

Originally posted by Johnnny
This isn't the type of reply I was hoping to hear. In my opinion if you look that way & have been certified for personal training, than you do know what you are talking about.

Even though he's been on drugs, to get the body he has, he still has to know what he is doing in order to grow. I see guys taking steroids (real ones) & they don't gain much as I over hear them complaining. Then I watch how they train, & then I realize this is why they aren't gaining because their training sucks.

So looking the way Arnold Schwarzenegger or Roy Callender did, you don't think they know what they are doing?

Why criticise this guy? He knows quite a bit, he's about 29yrs old & has been training since he was 15yrs old. So it's safe to say he knows what he's doing, just look at him. You don't get that way by not knowing what you're doing. Plus my gym wouldn't hire ppl for personal trainers who didn't know what they were doing.

Translation:

I dont give a shit about educating myself on proper diet/routine/supplementation. I prefer to find someone who looks good and ingest as much of their random bullshit as i can, hoping for the best.


GOOD LUCK DUED!!

Originally posted by Johnnny
Riverdragon what does this guy have to do with me? Nothing.
As for pics of myself, I'm waiting until I'm in the best shape possible, if I posted them now the pics would show good thickness, but a little bit of fat on the gut uncontrolably caused by my thyroid treatment which is currently on track & improving.

P-funk well it sure sounds like you were criticising him. When I see him training, he sure trains his clients well, & does a lot of similar exercises that I do.

I just wanted opinions on his physique. But currently he's not on drugs.

A) I wasn't criticizing him

b) just because he is not (or claims he is not) on drugs right now means nothing to me. In my opinion once you go on there is no going back.

c) if he does similiar exercises as you then why are you wasting you money. why not write your own diet and training routine instead of paying someone to do it for you?

Monolith can't you read? One he is currently not on drugs & is training hard naturally & 2 even if you are on drugs you still have to know what you are doing & train hard & 3 like I said in my recent response I just wanted onpinions on his physique. Even if he has been on drugs at one time, he still knows what he is doing. I see guys who take drugs & don't get much results because they don't know what they are doing.

But he's not on drugs right now, so I if he's managing to keep up a physique such as this one, than I think he knows what he is doing.

He's also a fireman not that it has anything to do with it, but being a fireman you have to be smart or you could get killed.

Oh & it's spelled dude, not dued.

Man, why are you getting so defensive??? No one said that the guy looks bad. He looks like he has some really good conditioning!!! I think everyone would agree with that. All we are saying is that conditioning does not equate knowledge.

P-funk I'm not paying him nor do I train with him, he gives me some advice for free because I've known him since 1998.

& currently I believe he is more natural not on drugs now as even though he is big, he doesn't posses the ripped to shreds with mass body that he had about 3-4 yrs ago. It's more natural looking.

But again I just wanted opinions on his physique whether he's on drugs or not.

Like I also said he's been training since he was around 14 or 15yrs old & is now 29yrs old so he's learned a lot over this period of time.

Originally posted by Johnnny
Monolith can't you read? One he is currently not on drugs & is training hard naturally & 2 even if you are on drugs you still have to know what you are doing & train hard & 3 like I said in my recent response I just wanted onpinions on his physique. Even if he has been on drugs at one time, he still knows what he is doing. I see guys who take drugs & don't get much results because they don't know what they are doing.

But he's not on drugs right now, so I if he's managing to keep up a physique such as this one, than I think he knows what he is doing.

He's also a fireman not that it has anything to do with it, but being a fireman you have to be smart or you could get killed.

And ive seen guys not take drugs and have phenomenal results. Go look at P-Funks journal if you dont believe me.

And what in the hell is this "firemen have to be smart or they die" crap? Is that your bizarre logic for trusting this guy to train you? "HEY GUYS, HE HASNT BEEN BURNED ALIVE YET, SO HE MUST KNOW HOW TO TRAIN ME REAL GOOD!!"

Originally posted by Johnnny
Oh & it's spelled dude, not dued.

How many times do you have to feel that *WHOOOSH* go over your head before the concept of sarcasm starts to click?

Monolith I don't know what your problem is, but I think your attitude sucks. I don't know maybe it's because this guy has a better physique than you? I'm not ashamed to admit that he has a better physique than me with more size.

As for needing to be smart being a fireman? He's told me several stories about guys he's worked with & their idiotic way of doing things & getting hurt themselves on the job.

All I'm saying is this guy is smart in the gym & doing field work.

Like I also said already I don't pay this guy to train me or does he train with me at all. He gives me some free advice periodically about routines, form, & exercises.

I don't understand what any of you have against this guy?This is a bodybuilding forum right? & in this forum we discuss physiques, training, & diet etc....? Well I just thought it would be interesting to show a picture of some of the guys that I get my advice from & show their size/condition whether they're on drugs or not. That simple.

I just wanted opinions on this guy's physique, none of this BS or wasted space.

So no one has any positive feedback on this guy's physique eh?

Too bad. Personally whether on drugs or not he has good size at 215-220lbs here in this picture around 2001. Now he's around 230lbs & has told me he's been off steroids well over a year & doesn't plan on going back on them again.

Like I said I believe he's not on steroids as even though he still has good size & conditioning, he doesn't have the same body that he had a few years ago while on steroids. & so far he hasn't steared me wrong in the advice he's given me.

You can really see a difference in someone's physique when they're on steroids, & when the come off steroids, it's really not the same physique at all even if they still have good muscle size & some cuts.

Originally posted by P-funk
Just because he looks good doesn't mean that he knows what the hell he is talking about.

ditto...

I know tons of people that compete that don't know jack about the science behind nutrtion, supplementation or various training systems...

shit my roommate used to compete for 8 years. I asked him one day why he throws out all of his egg yolks. I told him that 50% of the protein in eggs was in the yolk he almost shit himself, and he's 42...

Originally posted by Johnnny
So no one has any positive feedback on this guy's physique eh?

Too bad. Personally whether on drugs or not he has good size at 215-220lbs here in this picture around 2001. Now he's around 230lbs & has told me he's been off steroids well over a year & doesn't plan on going back on them again.

You can really see a difference in someone's physique when they're on steroids, & when the come off steroids, it's really not the same physique at all even if they still have good muscle size & some cuts.

the guy does have a decent physique. but many people are better at bodybuilding than giving information.

IMO...how a person looks off gear depends on how the looked before they started. I've met tons of guys over the years who's physiques have been 90% gear, as they really had no base before they started using. if you had a GREAT physique before you started using gear it will be there when you are off gear...

i think the problem here is that when you first read the thread (I did this too) We all just assumed that you were being trained by a this guys, and that you picked him becasue of how he looked. (but this is obviously not what ius going on) I agree with everyone, that how you look has nothing to do with whats going on upstairs. But like you said Johnny, you know him and he knows his shit, so I say great man, feed off the guy as much as you can. And to answer the first question, yeah man I think the guy looks great, I am at 230 and am not nearly as ripped as him and would love to be. If he knew his shit well enough to make me look like that I would listen to everything the guy has to say!

LAM

shit my roommate used to compete for 8 years. I asked him one day why he throws out all of his egg yolks. I told him that 50% of the protein in eggs was in the yolk he almost shit himself, and he's 42...

The reason for that is that there is also alot of cholesterol & fat in the egg yolks which is why many ppl seperate them & even by pure egg whites in a carton. If you're eating 6 egg whites or more at a time a day, it's not healthy eating 6 egg yolks a day. That's why you don't want the yolk protein or not.

[quote]I know tons of people that compete that don't know jack about the science behind nutrtion, supplementation or various training systems...
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Well if they're competing, then they must know something as they're doing something write. Everybody who compete's knows how important food is, or they wouldn't have the pyhsique that they do.

This guys like I said took a personal certification course & exam from Roy Callender who is also a personal trainer at my gym. I know what's involved in these types of courses as I'm probably going to do one myself. These courses teach you every bit of science you need to know, whether it's food, training techniques, exercises, or even the value of stretching it's all there.

So this dude has learned everything he needs to know to be a good, knowledgeable trainer & help get his clients in shape. There's this one guy who's about 45yrs old who he trains, & since he started training him, he's really developed.

As for having a good base, he started training at around 15yrs old
& trained naturally for about 5yrs before taking steroids. So that's why I say I believe him when he says he's natural now as he doesn't have the same body he did a few years ago even though he's around 230lbs with good condition, it's still not the same.

Originally posted by Johnnny

The reason for that is that there is also alot of cholesterol & fat in the egg yolks which is why many ppl seperate them & even by pure egg whites in a carton. If you're eating 6 egg whites or more at a time a day, it's not healthy eating 6 egg yolks a day. That's why you don't want the yolk protein or not.

I KNOW why people seperate the yolks and actually ALL of the fat and cholesterol is in the yolk. we already know that dietary cholesterol intake has very little effect on total cholesterol values, genetics determines 80% of that.

there is also nothing wrong with consuming 6 or more whole eggs a day. I've been doing it my whole life and my total cholesterol ranges from 120-140...cholesterol is not BAD, it is the the ratio of HDL:LDL that is important...

LAM

there is also nothing wrong with consuming 6 or more whole eggs a day. I've been doing it my whole life and my total cholesterol ranges from 120-140...cholesterol is not BAD, it is the the ratio of HDL:LDL that is important...

Well it may catch up with you when you're older. I wouldn't do it.

Now back on track what are your opinions on this guys physique in this picture? Currently he's a bit bigger & still holds good condition, but not as ripped or hard as he used to be which is one element to someone taking steroids or not.

but not as ripped or hard as he used to be which is one element to someone taking steroids or not.

Not neccesarily. This can also be an element of someone not being as lean as they used to be.

Myself, I wouldn't pick a trainer just on how they USE to look. I would want to know his background and the clients that he has successfully trained in reaching their goals and if they maintained those goals. To me what matters more is if you stick to the plan that is laid out for you and you follow it to a T. If you don't, your results won't be what you expect, therefore you will think he is a crappy trainer, etc when it is in fact its the trainees lack of being disciplined.

Originally posted by Johnnny
Why criticise this guy?

Do you even READ the posts people make? You put words into my mouth and not P-funk's. He never critcised him at all, he stated a FACT. You dont have to know what you are doing to look good.

Chances are high that he definitely knows what he is doing, but there was zero criticism here.

Originally posted by P-funk
Just because he looks good doesn't mean that he knows what the hell he is talking about.

Originally posted by Johnnny
Well it may catch up with you when you're older. I wouldn't do it.

No it does not.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/3/infants_eggs.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/6/biotin.htm

Originally posted by Johnnny
Riverdragon what does this guy have to do with me? Nothing.

If he is training you, then his comment was completely valid.

I just wanted opinions on his physique. But currently he's not on drugs.

Yeah sure, me neither. Do you really think he would jump out and tell you he was using? How stupid do you think the guy is?

My point was that if he is a good trainer then you should post some pics later so that we can see your progress. Your first post just seemed like you were saying this: "this guy that is training me is (or was) big so that means I am going to huge"

A good trainer is not just someone who knows how to manipulate their own body to success, but that of their client's.