Would you hire a PT that smokes?

ALBOB · 06-17-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

hmmm...what vaginas have you been looking at?

At this point I'd be tempted to mention MBC except she'd probably hunt me donw and kick my ass.

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by david

Would it shock some of you for the fact that I know quite a few trainers, semi-pro's & pro's that DO smoke especially when drinking... yeah, drinking... smoke? The answer to that immediate question is "yes", because smoking does NOT limit that person's ability or knowledge in the health & fitness field. It may make them look dumb or ridiculous but..... whose perfect?

trainers - nope that would not shock me, they are a dime a dozen and the majority do not know their ass from their elbows.

semi-pro's - not sure what that is? a top amatuer maybe? yeah that would sort of shock me, and I would have to say if they drink and smoke I doubt they will ever make it to the pro level.

pro's - hmmm...I would have to know who, maybe a washed up pro, not a current competitive pro, no way.

drinking and smoking would severly hinder a competitive bodybuilder, not too mention the extra stress on the liver combined with the steroid use. so, if a pro bb seriously drinks and smokes they're idiots and I hope they get cirossis.

I would not take any trainer or bodybuilder seriously if they drink or smoke, period. If they are stupid enough to poison their bodies I have no respect for them and would not listen to a word they said.

**Mudge** · 06-17-2004, 12:26 PM

Markus Ruhl smokes

still doesn't mean its a good thing IMO, I just dont like being around smokers. Its a habit that you get nothing out of, it shows a weakness of the mind, its a waste of money, and you get zero benefits from it.

nikegurl · 06-17-2004, 12:32 PM

let's not make the mistake of confusing "health" and professional bodybuilding. the 2 concepts have little to do with eachother - seriously.

**CowPimp** · 06-17-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nikegurl

let's not make the mistake of confusing "health" and professional bodybuilding. the 2 concepts have little to do with eachother - seriously.

Good point. Steroids are terrible for the human body, but that doesn't make professional bodybuilders less knowledgeable when it comes to training methods and the ins and outs of bodybuilding. As well, dropping below 5% body fat is certainly not healthy.

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Markus Ruhl smokes

you're kidding?

naturaltan · 06-17-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by david

It may make them look dumb or ridiculous but..... whose perfect?

that is an interesting perspective.

If they had a track record of helping people attain their goals, then I'd jump on board, but like JersyDevil ... I'd be on his/her case constantly about their smoking habit.

**Mudge** · 06-17-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

you're kidding?

Nope, you can watch him toke up in his second video...

**Mudge** · 06-17-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Good point. Steroids are terrible for the human body

I agree with her statement, I find yours completely uneducated.

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Nope, you can watch him toke up in his second video...

Thanks, I will never buy it now.

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Steroids are terrible for the human body...

Please explain/elaborate.

**CowPimp** · 06-17-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Please explain/elaborate.

From what I understand steroids are very taxing on the liver, hypertension can result, immune function is lowered, certain other hormone levels are lowered, cholesterol levels increase, etc.

LAM · 06-17-2004, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

From what I understand steroids are very taxing on the liver, hypertension can result, immune function is lowered, certain other hormone levels are lowered, cholesterol levels increase, etc.

oral steroids, namely 17aa's are taxing on the liver. besides that there isn't a "side effect" from using steroids that does not already occur naturally in the human body...

**CowPimp** · 06-17-2004, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

oral steroids, namely 17aa's are taxing on the liver. besides that there isn't a "side effect" from using steroids that does not already occur naturally in the human body...

Well I didn't just pull that information out of my ass. I did look into the side effects of anabolic steroids out of curiosity. Is there just a ridiculous amount of misinformation on steroids available or what?

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Well I didn't just pull that information out of my ass. I did look into the side effects of anabolic steroids out of curiosity. Is there just a ridiculous amount of misinformation on steroids available or what?

Yes, the side effects are exaggerated beyond belief, when in fact there is very little real evidence of any real damage done by steroids. When used "correctly", meaning reasonable dosages, done in cycles, etc., they are quite safe.

**Mudge** · 06-17-2004, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

From what I understand steroids are very taxing on the liver, hypertension can result, immune function is lowered, certain other hormone levels are lowered, cholesterol levels increase, etc.

Ohh, so this is what you know based on worst case scenarios from people who abuse it and dont monitor their health.

Pretty similar to the "take acid and stare at the sun until you go blind" that the government used to spread around.

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 03:32 PM

the goverment stigmatized steroids, the same way they have everyone thinking that ephedra causes heart attacks.

plouffe · 06-17-2004, 03:37 PM

Marcus Ruhl smokes.. Would you take advices from him?

advices*

**CowPimp** · 06-17-2004, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Yes, the side effects are exaggerated beyond belief, when in fact there is very little real evidence of any real damage done by steroids. When used "correctly", meaning reasonable dosages, done in cycles, etc., they are quite safe.

Well now I know better. However, I still wouldn't consider doing steroids healthy. It's just like how marijuana is relatively safe, but that doesn't make it healthy.

david · 06-17-2004, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by naturaltan

that is an interesting perspective.

If they had a track record of helping people attain their goals, then I'd jump on board, but like JersyDevil ... I'd be on his/her case constantly about their smoking habit.

OMG! I kept thinking in lines of Tobacco but I forgot Marijuana! I know so many that use it and it's ridiculous and funny. Oh well.

**Prince** · 06-17-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by david

OMG! I kept thinking in lines of Tobacco but I forgot Marijuana! I know so many that use it and it's ridiculous and funny. Oh well.

who, gopro?

LAM · 06-17-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Is there just a ridiculous amount of misinformation on steroids available or what?

yes, and we owe that to the media...

the sides of abusing gh and insulin are far worse than those of abusing steroids

**Mudge** · 06-17-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Well now I know better. However, I still wouldn't consider doing steroids healthy. It's just like how marijuana is relatively safe, but that doesn't make it healthy.

Safety has to do with remaining at your current health level. Healthy might imply promoting better health, and doing steroids wont make you live to be 215 years old.

**CowPimp** · 06-17-2004, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Safety has to do with remaining at your current health level. Healthy might imply promoting better health, and doing steroids wont make you live to be 215 years old.

Whether it's considered safe or not, I just don't like the idea of toying with my hormones. Don't confuse that statement with a factual item; it is my opinion and I am not arguing that changing hormone levels is necessarily detremental to one's health. I just don't like the idea personally. At the age of 19, I'm too damned horny all the time to be increasing testosterone levels anyway.

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Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,056 Photos: 1	Markus Ruhl smokes still doesn't mean its a good thing IMO, I just dont like being around smokers. Its a habit that you get nothing out of, it shows a weakness of the mind, its a waste of money, and you get zero benefits from it.