IainDaniel

YEah but your being funny as hell as well

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DrChiro

Sorry dude I don't know that technique. But you know an awful lot about that technique yourself. I'm guessing it's your pass time when you aren't busy being an immature know it all.

As for learning about bodybuilding in grade 9 I sure did. & I've learned even more.

As for accepting ppl's advice here, I've accepted plenty of advice & tried new things learned in this forum.

But as for this particular thread, I've only heard about 3 or 4 intelligent & real answers. The rest is hot air such as your thread.

It's obvious you don't know how to answer my simple little question or you would've by now. Instead you're breathing out hot air.

Either post something related to the thread & my 2 questions, or mind your own business.

I think that you are someone who thinks he knows everything as that's the impression you give, but when it comes down to it you just leave replies such as this one.

Again just 2 simple questions & only a few ppl had intelligent answerw & even suggested a couple of things that I could do, but I have already been doing them.

DimebagDarrell

what i think is funny johnnny is when you are given several intelligent answers you still refuse to accept them. you say people misunderstand you in almost every thread. maybe youre just a really poor communicator. please explain to me why this shit goes on ONLY in your threads, and why you continue to argue against these "intelligent & real answers"

Johnnny

DimebagDarrell


I have accepted the intelligent answers & intelligent advice given by a few ppl who replied to this thread maybe 4 ppl gave intelligent answers while the rest was BS.

As for certain things being misunderstood on "my threads" that's not true. I've seen plenty of misunderstandings with many different ppl on this forum in many different types of threads inclunding threads started by some of the ppl here that I wasn't even apart of. So as you say this shit only going in my threads isn't true as I've gone through old threads even before I joined & seen lots of confusion & misunderstandings which is bound to happen.

I'm not arguing intelligent answers, I'm only arguing criticism & BS.

So I guess this means that you don't have an answer to my 2 questions do you?

Like I said all I wanted to know was maybe there was something I hadn't tried before & why that section of my upper chest isn't filling out as a whole as much as it should be in that area. But I guess you can't answer.

DimebagDarrell

i answered your question on the second page smart guy.

and what do you mean things not being misunderstood? you said yourself that things were getting misunderstood

CowPimp

I answered you in the very first reply. 125 posts later, you are still arguing with the advice people have to offer. You cannot do what you are trying to do, plain and simple.

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Some people just don't get it. All they think we do is .

Johnnny..don't ask then agrue with us till you turn blue in the face. You need to get your head out of the sand dude. Otherwise your just and wasting our time and effort. I think you just enjoy stirring up the crap you do for no good reason what so ever.

And for another thing.....DrChiro is far from being a know it all. Maybe you should consult your books some more to get your answers.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on."

Johnnny

DimebagDarrell


Yes & you are one of those few ppl I mentioned who did answer intelligently. You said it's probably a genetic thing. I mentioned that some ppl said it was a genetic thing. So you aren't one of the ppl I'm talking about. b/c I agree with you. Just as I mentioned about my traps, they get thick in the back area, but they don't get much height to them up top which is a genetic thing. I have a friend who doesn't train his traps much & they gain a lot of height. I train my traps hard & they get thick in the back & strong, but not much height.
I have another friend who I played football with who had amazingly thick calves & he never trained them. Probably a genetic thing, I'm not disagreeing with you on the genetic things. Look at Dorian Yates even though on massive drugs, he has one of the best thickest & widest backs in the business or Arnold with his huge guns (even with steroids). Steroids only take you so far as genetics play a major role. Or Roy Callenders huge legs as he had a 600lb squat at a 5ft8 230lb ripped physique.



As for arguing all I want to know is if there's any way I can speed up the filling out area of my entire upper chest? That's it that's all. Pretty simple.

& I am someone who if they stop doing upper chest movements even if I'm still doing a lot of shoulders who will lose upper chest strength & size.

DimebagDarrell

then why the fuck are you getting all pissed at me because i havent answered your question? see your post, 4th one down from the top of this page.

yes, you can speed up the filling out of the upper chest. but youll have to speed up development of the WHOLE chest, not just that part. period. case closed. this has been discussed a million times with you. get it through that thick skull of yours.

CowPimp

If you know that this is a genetic thing, then what was the point of this post? Why wouldn't this same principle apply to your chest?

Later in the same post...

So do you believe that the shape of a muscle is genetic or not? You seem very confused...

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DimebagDarrell

If I was I apologize as it's frustration to some of the other responses here

I realize that & I do work all the areas of my chest. I don't just do flat bench press for chest & that's it like some guys do. I do all areas of my chest.

CowPimp

Like I said I thought maybe there was something more I could do that I haven't tried yet that would help more. That's all.

Yes I do & as I just said that I thought maybe there was something more I could do for more development that's all.

hithard51

johnny i would think incline dumbell flyes would help ya out. also i dont care if chest muscle is one muscle if i dont do decline my lower chest gets weaker and smaller it however does not affect my size in the middle of my chest or upper chest nor does it affect the weight i use. if the incline dumbell flyes dont work it is def. genetics i had a workout partner for about a year who had a big chest and could max a good amount of weight at 315 but his inner chest and upper chest was real small no matter what he did for it he then took roids and it helped by making his chest bigger overall and his inner chest and upper chest grew too but it was still in the same proportion as before he took roids.

LAM

flys are a stretch muscle movement, they do not stimulate hypertrophy like a pressing movement does for the chest...

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DimebagDarrell

you might want to read the whole thread again hithard51. you may feel that the decline presses help the bottom of the pectorals, but then you go against that at the end of your post and everything else weve talked about here (read the tree analogy). prince did state that its still good to do these excercises however as it helps stimulate the muscle the best.

Johnnny

hithard51
So roids didn't help that spot either eh? Still in proportion to the rest of the entire chest & upper chest area. I just see some guys whether they're natural or on juice that are really filled out in the entire upper chest especially the area that I'm talking about right below the center of your neck. I'm just wondering how they get that whole entire upper chest area to fill out.

But yes I've been doing both vertical & horizontal incline dumbell flies with pretty heavy weights as well with a full stretch at the bottom of the fly. The funny thing is I feel the entire upper chest including the area right below the center of your neck. When I do horizontal incline dumbell flies I majorly squeeze & hold my upper chest together at the top of the movement.

But again it's not filling out the entire upper chest including this annoying & stubborn area. So I'm guessing as a few of you have said it's genetic as I said with Dorian's back, or Arnold's arms or Roy's legs. Genetics steroids or not plays a major role in which muscles grow more than others.


LAM

As for flies being a stretch movement yes they are, but when you're using 80's or 90's for vertical incline flies & 70's for horizontal incline flies that's getting pretty heavy for flies & using that much weight with a stretching movement really stretches out & pushes the muscles together. But as you said presses are important as well which is why I do both.

hithard51

dimebag i dont understand ure post. i said decline helps build ure lower chest because it does how did i go against that at the end of my post? u sound like u have a lot of advice dimebag u must be some huge dude.

Var

How many here think hithard51 is just Johnny with a new screenname?

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Johnnny

Var


Sorry dude it's not me.

Var

hithard51, what you believe regarding declines is a very common myth. You're likely to get slammed for it here because its an old debate which is neverending. Some choose to believe science...others...not so much.

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hithard51

incline u do to develop upper chest decline lower flat middle.

Var

You and Johnny should work out together.

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Var

Go back and read this thread from the beginning.

But when you disarm them, you at once offend them by showing that you distrust them, either for cowardice or for want of loyalty, and either of these opinions breeds hatred against you.

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hithard51

i read the whole thread what are u trying to say var? ure chest is one muscle i kno.but u could put more emphasis on a certain area of a muscle to make it grow. ex. doing incline presses doesnt make ure lower chest grow or get ne bigger.

hithard51

why doesnt people just do flat for chest var? if what ure saying is true i would just be able to do 12 sets of flat and call it a day. also after im done with flat bench and go to incline my middle chest is tired from the flat workout my upper chest however is not.

LAM

says who ?

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Var

Hithard, if you really read the whole thread, you would know the answers to your questions already

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Johnnny

Var

quote from hithard51

He does have a good point. I have seen ppl with really good shoulders who never do incline work only 5 or 6 sets of flat bench press & maybe some pec dec. & they can easily bench press 225lbs for 12 reps, but finally decided to start doing some incline work mainly just incline bench press & they can't even do 165lbs on incline bench press & they have good shoulders.

Mudge said having strong shoulders for incline bench or dumbbells is important & I agree, but as I've said I've seen ppl with very strong shoulders who start doing incline bench or dumbbell presses & they are really weak.

Var can you answer that question? If they have a strong flat bench, & strong shoulders but a really, really weak incline bench or incline dumbbell press?

I'd like to hear your response. & don't forget these are nat