Thread: Deadlifts?? and my workout

SLDL's I do on leg day, a conventional deadlift I would do on back day. Personally I would never do squats and deadlifts the same work-out.

yeh i tried that today i almost puked

i was a lil tired today and had a crappy workout but this is what i did

Squats 3x245 for 10 reps * ass to the grass *
SLDL 3x225 for 10 reps * focus on hams*
Leg Ext 3xrack for 10 reps with 1 sec pause at top
ham curl 1xrack for 10 reps ( here is where i almost passed out)

and some calves...that sldl kills right after squats i was resting between 60-90 seconds

Deadlifts work the quads, but it stresses the back more. Do those on back day, and try to work your split so that you legs are somewhat recovered when you do them. Move you deadlifts to Tuesday, and take out the SLDL's on your Tuesday workout. SLDL's are for hamstrings, not back.

Do the SLDL's on Saturday and/or leg curls. You aren't doing any extensions or leg curls? You definately need to add them in. It will take some time for you legs to adjust to the higher volume, so if I were you, I would add an exercise every few months. Add in the extensions and curls. Then, when you no longer get a lot of soreness, add in leg presses or hack squats.

Congratulations on adding deadlifts. Use proper form and work your way up slowly on weight and you will be very pleased with the results. I think deadlifts have done more for me than any other exercise. Although squats, dumb bell bench, dips, shoulder press are very close second. I agree with Robert DiMaggio and Clint, good advice.

Originally Posted by ClintZ28

Deadlifts work the quads, but it stresses the back more. Do those on back day, and try to work your split so that you legs are somewhat recovered when you do them. Move you deadlifts to Tuesday, and take out the SLDL's on your Tuesday workout. SLDL's are for hamstrings, not back.

Do the SLDL's on Saturday and/or leg curls. You aren't doing any extensions or leg curls? You definately need to add them in. It will take some time for you legs to adjust to the higher volume, so if I were you, I would add an exercise every few months. Add in the extensions and curls. Then, when you no longer get a lot of soreness, add in leg presses or hack squats.

Deadlifts only work the quads if you're doing them WRONG.

Saturday Fever, I didn't say that it only works the quads, and it's not even possible to do deadlifts without working other muscles. Not sure why you quoted me and thought I was saying it only works quads, but you are confused.

And all I said was that if you're using your quads to do deadlifts (yes, at all), then you're doing them wrong. I never said what you think I said.

You said:

Originally Posted by ClintZ28

Deadlifts work the quads

to which I replied:

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Deadlifts only work the quads if you're doing them WRONG.

Saturday Night, a comma is used to string together one sentence. So, when you see it, please continue to read, and when you see a "but", that implies there is a contradiction to follow.

"Deadlifts work the quads" is the first part of that sentence, ", but it stresses the back more" is the second half. You can't ignore the conjunction because it further defines the meaning of preceding phrase.

When doing deadlifts you use both the quads, and hamstrings. They contract at the same time during the lift. They DO work the quads. However, I was plainly stated that it stresses the back more, and it should be used to build the muscles in the back.

OK, so I'll say this again, nice and slowly. If you use your quads, at all, when doing deadlifts, you are doing them wrong. If you're pulling back, hips high, like you're supposed to be, your quads will not come into the equation. If you're using your quads, you're keeping your hips low and you will never be a big deadlifter.

Oh god, we could go on forever! Saturday Fever, let's start our own thread!
Let's not fight over it. From what I have read, and using common sense, when you perform a deadlift, there is a simultaneous contraction between the hams and quads. The hams help bring your back to the upright position, and the quads are used in the least, to provide stability. But, they are however, used. I don't think there is a person here that would say that it is even possible to do a deadlift without even tensing the quads.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

SLDL's I do on leg day, a conventional deadlift I would do on back day. Personally I would never do squats and deadlifts the same work-out.

I totally agree.

Clint, I agree, there's no need to argue. I'm sure your quads contract when we deadlift. But they shouldn't be recruited in any meaningful way. If they are, it means you're keeping your hips low, thus increasing the ROM of the lift. The mentality behind deads is the same as squats, get your hips moving forward and pull your shoulders back. This will shorten the ROM and allow you to move a LOT of weight.

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Clint, I agree, there's no need to argue. I'm sure your quads contract when we deadlift. But they shouldn't be recruited in any meaningful way. If they are, it means you're keeping your hips low, thus increasing the ROM of the lift. The mentality behind deads is the same as squats, get your hips moving forward and pull your shoulders back. This will shorten the ROM and allow you to move a LOT of weight.

Hrm. I've never thought of doing a squat or deadlifts like that. You're suggesting a sort of "humping" motion?

I suggest sitting back, not down. This requires you to use a "hips back, hips forward" motion. Of course, you also need to pull back with shoulders to recruit the erectors. But I suppose a "humping" motion is a good way to describe it.

I've posted links in MonStar and atherjen's journals on squatting and deadlifting that describe it really well.

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

I suggest sitting back, not down. This requires you to use a "hips back, hips forward" motion. Of course, you also need to pull back with shoulders to recruit the erectors. But I suppose a "humping" motion is a good way to describe it.

I've posted links in MonStar and atherjen's journals on squatting and deadlifting that describe it really well.

Gotcha. I just started doing that recently with good mornings. I noticed a big difference in the usage of my hamstrings and gluts as opposed to my lower back. I'll remember this next time I do deadlifts and squats. I wish I could test it out this week. Damned sprained ankle.

Holy shit. How did you do good mornings if not "hips forward, hips back?" Were you just leaning over at the waist? I think you'll see a big explosion in the weight you are able to move making your hips the focal point of the movement.