MaxMirkin

When doing flyes, should your palms face each other, or away? And is there any difference between the two? Thanx.

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Big Smoothy

Are you referring to lying dumbbell flys?

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...nal/DBFly.html

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Spitfire

Palms in (facing each other)
you use your delts more when they face down.

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MaxMirkin

Yup, I've just seen them done the other way (pams out) in several places, so got a bit confused. I've kind of been alternating week to week when doing them.

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MaxMirkin

Cool, thanx man it's good to know.

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DimebagDarrell

make sure that your forearms also dont go below parallel to the floor, its not safe going too low. also make sure the angle at your elbows does NOT change while doing the movement.

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MaxMirkin

I try man, thanks.

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Spitfire

Not completely true, IMO you should straighten your arms and squeeze your chest near the top for a much better burn at center, a pec dec is IDEAL for this (even more so ideal is the pec dec you hold in your hands [ill find a pic])

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DimebagDarrell

at the top its ok, but they should be sitting at about a 75-80 degree angle anyway, so straightening wouldnt pull em much closer together anyway. making sure you dont change the angle makes sure the emphasis stays on the pecs

cutting sucks.

Spitfire

I think at any point in the movement they should be no less of an angle than 110° and no larger than 160°. From the bottom of the movement until upper arm is parallel with the ground, no your elbows should be stiff, from parallel to vertical your arms should straightening while squeezing your chest

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DimebagDarrell

whoops i gave the total wrong angles haha. i meant 150-160 degrees. youd look like a retard w/ a 75 degree angle

cutting sucks.

Johnnny

MaxMirkin

There are 2 different forms for incline or flat dumbbell flies.

What I've been told is called the standard vertical dumbbell fly with palms facing eachother at the top of the movement.

& then there's what's called horizontal incline or flat dumbbell flies. This is with your palms staying in a horizontal position even at the top of the movement. This way is much harder, but I've found it builds up the pecs much better & you can't use as heavy weight as its much harder, but it gives an amazing pectoral stretch for both flat db flies & incline db flies. I prefer this form much more.

calalily1972

There are DB Flyes and then DB Presses which in a way can be confused with a fly because in the press you are brining it up and then together (if that even makes sense LOL)

MaxMirkin

Both sets of excersises were called Flyes, & instructions stressed no "pressing". They were prette much identical in form, except for the palm position.

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MaxMirkin

No I didn't mention any pressing what so ever. The horizontal flat & incline dumbbell flies can look like dumbbell presses but they are clearly not presses.
As with the horizontal flies you open up & stretch the weight down & back up just like vertical dumbbell flies. Pressing is lowering the weight down to the chest level & exploding the weight up above you. I didn't mention that in any way at all.

The horizontal flies you open up & stretch which is what a fly is. There is no pressing involved in this type of fly what so ever & if you are, you're doing something wrong.

I see many ppl doing this, but on the cable machines with the 2 rope attachments & they aren't pressing with the rope attachments are they?. I find dumbbells work much better.

Hope this clearifies everything.

Johnnny

MaxMirkin I was agreeing with you by the way.

MaxMirkin

Cool Johnnny, but which are better for your pecs?
I guess I can keep doing it both ways. (alternately)

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MaxMirkin

Well I love the horizontal fly's it's much harder than vertical fly's as you can really squeeze your upper or middle chest at the top of the movement holding the 2 ends of the dumbbells together squeezing the muscle.

You will find that you can't use as much weight on horizontal fly's as you can with vertical fly's.

But I change my routine every 3-4 weeks & I do both variations but the only thing I use cables for is crossovers for chest exercises.

Spitfire

"This is with your palms staying in a horizontal position even at the top of the movement."
I dont see how this works... Palms... horizontal???

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Johnnny

Spitfire

It's pretty simple. With vertical flies your hands stay facing eachother even at the top of the fly.

With horizontal flis your palms face away from you which is why some ppl confuse this type of db fly with dumbbell presses. Your hands have the same positioning with horizontal db flies as db presses. Except you do a fly with them & open up with a stretch. Pretty simple.

Spitfire

Right, like we mentioned inthe beginings of the thread. Those are harder cause they do not allow you to use your pec fully and uses, in my opinion way to much anterior delts.

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Johnnny

Spitfire

Well you're entitled to your opinion, but I believe that horizontal db incline or flat flies work the chest much more.

When I'm doing horizontal on an incline, I really feel only my upper chest working, same goes for the middle chest.

aztecwolf

when i do flyes i prefer to have my palms out, then upon bringing them up i rotate my hands in so they are facing palm to palm at the top

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aztecwolf

That is yet a 3rd variation of flies which I do as well. It is very good to.

Spitfire

Johnnny,
Have you ever used this?

You can use this forward thumbs up(for chest), or back-wards with thumbs forward (for rear delts).

If you use this facing forward, thumbs forward not only will you notice how much your delts are taking from your chest you will feel your rotator cuff.

Never-mind the fact that doing flies with with dumbbell become pointless after you bring your arms up past 45°, I think one of those machines are a necessity at any gym

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bench

Palms facing each other

Johnnny

Spitfire

No I haven't used that, I only use free weights, & sometimes the pec dec for chest but not often. I find machines make you much weaker as opposed to free weights.

Spitfire

Johnny

Thats just silly, granted you do not use as many stabilizing muscles, but there are so many advantages to using both (not only for mass but strength). I would say dont limit yourself.

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Johnnny

Spitfire

Well I'll tell that I've done routines that are more machine oriented for as long as a month & then went back to the free weights & found myself to be weaker & then needing a good 2 or 3 weeks to get the strength back. Same for DB's, if I do DB presses for too long, when I go back to doing bar presses, I'll be weaker.

I'm not the only one who feels this way here as it's been discussed before.

Spitfire

IMO
The reasoning for this is on machines you are focusing on building up your primary not all the secondaries which will definitely hinder your gains,(if you cant stabilize your DBs when doing DB presses you cant press) that is why I always incorporate machines into mostly all of my routines. Who said any thing about only doing one or the other?
I am not the only one who feels this way- its common sence

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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Hunter S. Thompson RIP