Have any of you seen this special deadlifting bar?

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 09:36 AM

Have any of you seen this special deadlifting bar?

It looks much more conventional as opposed to doing it with the normal 45lb bar as your knees always get in the way which can be hard when going really heavy.

LAM · 07-13-2004, 09:59 AM

that thing is junk...

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 10:02 AM

Lam

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that thing is junk...

Why do you say that? It looks much better as you don't have the bar scrapping against your knees on the way up?

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 11:09 AM

That is not junk at all! trap bar deadlifts are excellent.

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 11:33 AM

P-Funk

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That is not junk at all! trap bar deadlifts are excellent.

That's what I thought. I wish my gym had one.

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 11:53 AM

My gym has one. They are a great variation of the deadlift. You can take dumbells and hold them at your side and do dumbell deadlift and get the same effect, differenece being that the dumbells are not connected together like the bar is.

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 12:01 PM

P-Funk

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My gym has one. They are a great variation of the deadlift. You can take dumbells and hold them at your side and do dumbell deadlift and get the same effect, differenece being that the dumbells are not connected together like the bar is.

You're lucky you have one of these bars. But I agree about the dumbbell variation, but wouldn't it be awkward if you're someone who can deadlift 400lbs? You'd have to use 200lb dumbbells in each hand.

But you are damn lucky to have one of those bars at your gym. Do you know if it's expensive?

LAM · 07-13-2004, 12:02 PM

if you are doing DL for PL there are useless and do not help...the movement is not even close to the same especially when you get to big weights

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

P-Funk

You're lucky you have one of these bars. But I agree about the dumbbell variation, but wouldn't it be awkward if you're someone who can deadlift 400lbs? You'd have to use 200lb dumbbells in each hand.

But you are damn lucky to have one of those bars at your gym. Do you know if it's expensive?

Not exactley. Using the 200lbs dumbells is different then deadlifting a 400lb fixed bar as you have to stabalize and balance weight on each side indpendantly. That is like saying that if you bench press 300lbs you can press 150lb on the dumbells....not so.

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if you are doing DL for PL there are useless and do not help...

Not entirly true. I have a number a friends that are powerlifters that use the trap bar as variation in their training. It aloows you to sit back more and hit your hammies and glutes because the bar is not infront of you. It recruits different stabalizers in the thoracic spine because the weight is being held at your side. It is great for strengthening your rear delts as well. Besides, where did he say that he was using this to augment a powerlifting type routine?

LAM · 07-13-2004, 12:13 PM

considering I pulled a 747 DL at 229 lbs I may know a "little" something about DL for PL, and that thing does not help you get out of the hole...

using it for hypertrophy is a different story...

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 12:14 PM

P-funk

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Not exactley. Using the 200lbs dumbells is different then deadlifting a 400lb fixed bar as you have to stabalize and balance weight on each side indpendantly. That is like saying that if you bench press 300lbs you can press 150lb on the dumbells....not so.

That is true. So someone who can deadlift 330lbs+ would about be able to use what dumbbell in each hand?

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

considering I pulled a 747 DL at 229 lbs I may know a "little" something about DL for PL, and that thing does not help you get out of the hole...

using it for hypertrophy is a different story...

It is a great exercise for those people that may have trouble biomechanically doing a regular deadlift as it lets you sit lower and more erect than if the bar were in front of you.

I am not saying that you don't know anything about deadlifting. All I am saying is that your opinion about the trap bar and strength training is not the only opinion out there. here is an article written be Jan Dellinger. As you will see he is writting about one mans approach to training his deadlift for contest but he also comments on how legendary strength coach Bill Starr has a different approach. Both are good in my humble opinion.:

The Other Unparalleled Exercise, Part II
By Jan Dellinger

Posted on NaturalStrength.com on September 7, 2000

Reprinted, with permission, from HARDGAINER issue #36, May-June 1995

"Gerard-style training

One deadlift specialist who employs and emphasizes all of the themes I've brought up here is Al Gerard, whose name was men-tioned in Part I. Al is a competitive powerlifter with an official deadlift of 625 lbs (done at a bodyweight of 205 lbs, and past age 40) to his credit in ADFPA competition. It's probably safe to say that Al prepares for meets differently than most other lifters. When I last interviewed the "Father of the Trap Bar" in 1992, he mentioned in passing that when readying for a contest in the prior November, he did absolutely no back squats from January of 1991 to that August, engaging in the practice of this lift only once weekly for two months prior to the actual contest, where he managed 500 lbs to the judges' satisfaction.

Nevertheless, Al assured me that in the months (January to August) prior to his pre-contest squat binge, his legs and hips received plenty of heavy work via Trap Bar deadlifts and nothing more. Experience has shown Al that the general strengthening effect from bent-legged deadlifts with this device carries over magnificently to the competitive squat and deadlift, with minimal focused peaking.

As you'll recall from Part I, Gerard's lower back has a history of breaking down from prolonged exposure to heavy squatting. Hence, relying on the Trap Bar deadlift to build functional lower-body strength throughout most of the year, permits Al to lessen his chances of injury while still whipping himself into shape for the competitive lifts. Plus, let's not forget that because the Trap Bar allows the trainee to keep the resistance much closer to the center line of gravity while deadlifting, his spine is saved even more stress throughout the preparatory phase. Note, too, that the parallel hand grips of the Trap Bar put the forearms in a more efficient lifting position, and dramatically lessen the chance of sustaining injuries to the tendons of the biceps.

Elaborating briefly on Al's general off-season training routine, which, at least in terms of exercises, could easily be adopted by the average trainee, he engages in three distinctly different deadlift cycles, each lasting approximately 7-8 weeks. First, it's stiff-legged deadlifts while standing on the raised surface, with the intent being to bolster the lower back, glute and leg bicep areas fully. The next cycle focuses on bent-legged deadlifts while standing on the same block, which are aimed at promoting greater leg drive for bringing the bar off of the floor, as well as training the legs and back to work together in a coordinated fashion for the maximum force production.

In the final preparatory cycle, Al does the regular deadlift from the floor, utilizing the Trap Bar as in the two preceding cycles. The intent here is to consolidate the gains he's made in the two prior cycles, and set himself up for a smooth transition to a few weeks of straight-bar deadlifts up to a meet. In case you were curious, the only other assistance work he includes with this trilogy of pulling exercises is the shrug done on a Trap Bar.

Al's noted some very favorable side benefits in himself and others who have undergone his combination-deadlift approach: One tends to deadlift with less of an acute round-back style. Also, there's a tendency to assume a better starting position instinctively--back flatter, shoulders higher than hips, but with the hips still staying higher than knee level. And all of these good things occurring while achieving greater deadlift poundages in the end.

That's not all. Al contends that one's squat will show improvement from this deadlift system, due to the enhanced lower back/leg biceps strength imparted by the stiff-legged deadlifts, and the increased quadriceps strength garnered from the work on extended-range deadlifts.

Strength author Bill Starr always contended that the best way to train the deadlift was to refrain from the lift in the main, concentrating instead on Olympic-style pulls, shrugs and squats.

Gerard, however, is making the opposite case from Starr, that intelligent application of the deadlift and its variations can react favorably on the squat. Rather than looking at this as being confusing as to which lift is superior, maybe what's demonstrated here is parity, commonality and a considerable degree of transference between them. "

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

P-funk

That is true. So someone who can deadlift 330lbs+ would about be able to use what dumbbell in each hand?

depneds on how storng your stabalizers are independantly and how good your balance is.

**Mudge** · 07-13-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

if you are doing DL for PL there are useless and do not help...the movement is not even close to the same especially when you get to big weights

I agree, this is not going to hit the back like a REAL deadlift.

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 12:44 PM

P-funk

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depneds on how storng your stabalizers are independantly and how good your balance is.

I'm guessing I would probably be able to do at least 140's in each hand for deadlifts.

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I agree, this is not going to hit the back like a REAL deadlift.

you are correct, it wont hit your back like a real deadlift. It works differently.

**P-funk** · 07-13-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

P-funk

I'm guessing I would probably be able to do at least 140's in each hand for deadlifts.

Only one way to find out.

**Dale Mabry** · 07-13-2004, 12:53 PM

I like it for shrugs, never DL'd with it. The one I used was a triangular version that we used to tie a plate to the front end in order to work forearms a bit more on shrugs.

**Mudge** · 07-13-2004, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

I'm guessing I would probably be able to do at least 140's in each hand for deadlifts.

You shoulder press 225 for reps and deadlift 330?

Larva · 07-13-2004, 01:34 PM

i used it once at my gym but the thing is so rusted and sharp that i don't use it

Johnnny · 07-13-2004, 03:27 PM

Larva

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i used it once at my gym but the thing is so rusted and sharp that i don't use it

Sorry to hear that as the one in the pic looks pretty new. But I don't blame you for not wanting to use it.

Mudge

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You shoulder press 225 for reps and deadlift 330?

If you've payed attention to my replies & threads you'd know that I'm only doing about 205lbs on military press for 5 reps presently. & I'm only deadlifting about 350-360lbs.

I was doing 225lbs on military press for 6-8 reps & I could do 245lbs for about 3 reps in the front of your face of course. At this time I was deadlifting over 400lbs probably 410lbs or so for 2-3 reps.

As you know I lost about 30lbs in 3-4 weeks including a lot of strength & muscular size.

07-13-2004, 09:59 AM	#2
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	that thing is junk... Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

07-13-2004, 11:09 AM	#4
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,702	That is not junk at all! trap bar deadlifts are excellent. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

07-13-2004, 11:53 AM	#6
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,702	My gym has one. They are a great variation of the deadlift. You can take dumbells and hold them at your side and do dumbell deadlift and get the same effect, differenece being that the dumbells are not connected together like the bar is. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

07-13-2004, 12:02 PM	#8
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	if you are doing DL for PL there are useless and do not help...the movement is not even close to the same especially when you get to big weights Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

07-13-2004, 12:13 PM	#10
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	considering I pulled a 747 DL at 229 lbs I may know a "little" something about DL for PL, and that thing does not help you get out of the hole... using it for hypertrophy is a different story... Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

07-13-2004, 12:53 PM	#18
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	I like it for shrugs, never DL'd with it. The one I used was a triangular version that we used to tie a plate to the front end in order to work forearms a bit more on shrugs. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

07-13-2004, 01:34 PM	#20
Larva Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: LI NY Posts: 646 Photos: 11	i used it once at my gym but the thing is so rusted and sharp that i don't use it

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