Rows

Lord_of_the_GYM · 08-03-2004, 07:31 AM

Just wondering when performing seated rowing, should I keep my back straight or should I move my back with the flow of the row?

Luke9583 · 08-03-2004, 07:36 AM

I keep my back at about 20% from perpendicular to the floor, and concentrate on not moving it. It seems to be working, no pain, injuries or anything.

Hillside · 08-03-2004, 09:02 AM

This is always a classic move to watch the meat-heads butcher in the gym. Basically pivoting from the hips as they rock the weight back and forth, using every muscle but their back. God forbid someone actually did this exercise without racking the machine.

Luke9583 · 08-03-2004, 10:29 AM

yea, if you can't do rows with 300lbs.... why do it at all.

Lord_of_the_GYM · 08-03-2004, 10:31 AM

so the final verdict is no moving of the back !!!

JLB001 · 08-03-2004, 10:36 AM

You should keep your back still.

**P-funk** · 08-03-2004, 10:53 AM

I move a bit. I feel it is neccessary to reduce the sheering forces placedon the spine when forced to stay in a neutral position and hold weight out at arms length. Also, slight movement alows you to be more explosive. Keep your back straight, flat and tight.

**Mudge** · 08-03-2004, 11:51 AM

I also move a bit, I would rather do a heavy negative instead of doing heavy arm work on the positive.

Luke9583 · 08-03-2004, 12:12 PM

I dont fully extend my arms. I tend to lock them at about 10degress (elbows pointing to the floor)

I kinda do something complimentary to rows too though. I will use the rope, and have the nuatilus in the 2nd from the top position. (i'm 5'11"). I stand back about 6' from the base of the machine, and do "standing rows"

. I lean back far enough that my legs and the rope coming down make a 90 degree angle. I start out with palms facing down, and finish with them facing up at full contraction. This seems to be very effective (for me). I've never seen anybody doing anything similar. And people stare at me funny when I'm doing them. Maybe i'm just weird looking But my lats do seem to grow pretty fast, and I 'just' started recently doing more pull ups/chin ups. Now I feel like I can do pull ups forever

. I'm going to start weighing myself down soon I think.

goal_500_bench · 08-03-2004, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

yea, if you can't do rows with 300lbs.... why do it at all.

agrees

**Mudge** · 08-03-2004, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

But my lats do seem to grow pretty fast, and I 'just' started recently doing more pull ups/chin ups. Now I feel like I can do pull ups forever

. I'm going to start weighing myself down soon I think.

Dont need pullups for lats.

KataMaStEr · 08-03-2004, 01:16 PM

I also move a little bit but not enough to really help with the weight, makes my lower back feel much better when I kind of go with the movement. If I don’t move, my lower back really start to feel the weight.

Lord_of_the_GYM · 08-04-2004, 07:34 AM

Thanks fellas for all the input...

Flex · 08-04-2004, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Dont need pullups for lats.

i disagree wit that^

Luke9583 · 08-04-2004, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flex

i disagree wit that^

There are deffinately Lat's used in Pull ups, but I agree that you dont need to do pull ups to develop lats.

. That's why I didn't jump on that one.

Had he said "you dont need lats to do pull ups"... I would have said something.

Big Smoothy · 08-04-2004, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Dont need pullups for lats.

Wide grip Chin Ups/Pull Ups are not needed for lats?

Pardon my ignorance. I know the arms are heavily incorporated in it.

**Mudge** · 08-04-2004, 12:40 PM

You dont need pullups for lats, I know one powerlifter who can't do them without shoulder problems. I do maybe one set of pulldowns, thats it right now, everything else is a row of some sort.

Big Smoothy · 08-04-2004, 11:12 PM

Thanks again, Mudge.

08-03-2004, 07:31 AM	#1
Lord_of_the_GYM Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 146	Rows Just wondering when performing seated rowing, should I keep my back straight or should I move my back with the flow of the row?

08-03-2004, 07:36 AM	#2
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	I keep my back at about 20% from perpendicular to the floor, and concentrate on not moving it. It seems to be working, no pain, injuries or anything. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-03-2004, 10:29 AM	#4
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	yea, if you can't do rows with 300lbs.... why do it at all. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-03-2004, 10:36 AM	#6
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	You should keep your back still. "When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on."

08-03-2004, 10:53 AM	#7
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,700	I move a bit. I feel it is neccessary to reduce the sheering forces placedon the spine when forced to stay in a neutral position and hold weight out at arms length. Also, slight movement alows you to be more explosive. Keep your back straight, flat and tight. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

08-03-2004, 09:02 AM	#3
Hillside Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 99 Photos: 1	This is always a classic move to watch the meat-heads butcher in the gym. Basically pivoting from the hips as they rock the weight back and forth, using every muscle but their back. God forbid someone actually did this exercise without racking the machine.

08-03-2004, 10:31 AM	#5
Lord_of_the_GYM Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 146	so the final verdict is no moving of the back !!!

08-03-2004, 11:51 AM	#8
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,474 Photos: 1	I also move a bit, I would rather do a heavy negative instead of doing heavy arm work on the positive. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

08-03-2004, 12:12 PM	#9
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	I dont fully extend my arms. I tend to lock them at about 10degress (elbows pointing to the floor) I kinda do something complimentary to rows too though. I will use the rope, and have the nuatilus in the 2nd from the top position. (i'm 5'11"). I stand back about 6' from the base of the machine, and do "standing rows" . I lean back far enough that my legs and the rope coming down make a 90 degree angle. I start out with palms facing down, and finish with them facing up at full contraction. This seems to be very effective (for me). I've never seen anybody doing anything similar. And people stare at me funny when I'm doing them. Maybe i'm just weird looking But my lats do seem to grow pretty fast, and I 'just' started recently doing more pull ups/chin ups. Now I feel like I can do pull ups forever . I'm going to start weighing myself down soon I think. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate." Last edited by Luke9583 : 08-03-2004 at 12:26 PM.

08-03-2004, 01:16 PM	#12
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	I also move a little bit but not enough to really help with the weight, makes my lower back feel much better when I kind of go with the movement. If I don’t move, my lower back really start to feel the weight.

08-04-2004, 07:34 AM	#13
Lord_of_the_GYM Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 146	Thanks fellas for all the input...

08-04-2004, 12:40 PM	#17
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,474 Photos: 1	You dont need pullups for lats, I know one powerlifter who can't do them without shoulder problems. I do maybe one set of pulldowns, thats it right now, everything else is a row of some sort. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

08-04-2004, 11:12 PM	#18
Big Smoothy Windy City Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,266	Thanks again, Mudge. Military men are dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy – Henry Kissinger (January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter)

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