Thread: Again Tough Old Man "not so TUFF"

get used to it...barring olympic lifts squats and deadlifts are the hardest exercises to do (IMO atleast).

I do them every week. I vary the intensity level every two weeks. Tomorrow is DL day for me. I cant wait.

Well its about 6 hrs later and i just finished abs. what the fuck happened. i laid down to do crunches and my hips and big ass felt like they took the sledge hammer. shit this is worst then acase of hemorrhoids

you need to make sure you are training your core (lowerback and abs) and hams/glutes if you expect to be deading and squatting for any amount of time. Injuries will be a big part of your life if those bodyparts are not brought up to where they need to be bro, believe that! take it slow and focus on those, I mean you said you haven't lifted for 20 yrs or sum shit and then you just jump into a cycle and these heavy lifts. just saying be careful and train smart

Deadlifting for reps is potentially very dangerous. You will fatigue early, and as you fatigue your back will round and that's when the injuries happen. Try to limit your deadlift reps to 2 or 3 per set.

And yes, initially they'll be very rough on you.

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Deadlifting for reps is potentially very dangerous. You will fatigue early, and as you fatigue your back will round and that's when the injuries happen. Try to limit your deadlift reps to 2 or 3 per set.

I fail to see how deadlifting is potentially anymore dangerous then a squat?
Fatigue is determined by the load, tempo, complexity of the movement, the lifters particular weaknesses etc. Your blanket statement is a bit off imo.

I never said anything about squatting. Though I've said the same thing for squats in other threads.

Given that you have to lift a stimulating load to achieve either hypertrophy or strength gains, it can reasonable to assume that with any appreciable weight, form will slip as fatigue sets in. And considering there WILL be differences in the resistance your glutes, hams and lower back can deal with, fatigue will generally set in at varying points and other muscles will try to compensate for this.

I don't think the statement was off at all, unless you've got someone wasting their time working at 20% intensity.

I never said anything about squatting.

I know that.

Though I've said the same thing for squats in other threads.

That's what I was getting at. I assumed that you would also be against repetitive squatting.

Given that you have to lift a stimulating load to achieve either hypertrophy or strength gains, it can reasonable to assume that with any appreciable weight, form will slip as fatigue sets in. And considering there WILL be differences in the resistance your glutes, hams and lower back can deal with, fatigue will generally set in at varying points and other muscles will try to compensate for this.

The same can be said about any compound movement. It's an old argument.

As the late Dr Siff once said, "safety is a function of appropriateness of technique for a given indvidual in a given situation." In other words, it is the technique at hand that should be looked at, not the movement.

I like doing singles.

Originally Posted by ikam

I fail to see how deadlifting is potentially anymore dangerous then a squat?
Fatigue is determined by the load, tempo, complexity of the movement, the lifters particular weaknesses etc. Your blanket statement is a bit off imo.

Because with the deadlift you start the movement at the bottom. Where as in the squat, you start at the top. Big difference when you're going for max weight.

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Because with the deadlift you start the movement at the bottom. Where as in the squat, you start at the top. Big difference when you're going for max weight.

What is the big difference. All you've stated is that one starts at the top while the other starts at the bottom?

The same CAN be said about any compound lift. And it's no wonder at how many elite PL
'ers have torn pecs or ripped rotator cuffs getting ahead of themselves.

The reason I stress squatting and deadlifting as much as I do is that it is MUCH easier with those lifts to overlook or completely miss a weakpoint tat is going to lead to injury. Most lifters don't realize they're rounding their backs. Or they feel it's OK for their hams to overpower their lower back when pulling from the floor.

Injury is just as likely with a bench, for example, but people tend to notice weaknesses much sooner with that lift. Mental, I believe. But that's my reasoning.