speedwork out ?

pjrush · 09-14-2004, 07:33 PM

what is some of the best work outs for speed for sports like trak and football is there any work out that si best

Saturday Fever · 09-14-2004, 07:55 PM

Sports requires Sport Specific Training. What you do in the gym will not carry over to what you do on the field/court.

**P-funk** · 09-14-2004, 09:05 PM

I agree with SF on the fact that"real" game time situations are what is going to make you a beter player. However, when weight training, if it is speed you want, work on your explosive power. I am all about players using things like power cleans, snatches and push presses. The olympic lifts are used by a lot of strength coachs, especially track and football.

Duncans Donuts · 09-15-2004, 12:37 AM

I personally would not recommend power cleans. They are very dependant on exceptional form, and could be considered dangerous even under good supervision (a power clean is basically the throwing and catching of a huge amount of weight).

There are studies that support the idea that this type of ballistic training can improve explosiveness, but a number also exist that refute the idea that you have to train in this fashion to improve your explosiveness. Research indicates the results can be achieved through less dangerous exercises (squat, deadlift, etc.) Here are the references if you would like to independently research the results:

Van Oteghen, S.L. 1975 Two speeds of isokinetic exercise as related to the vertical jump performance in women. Research Quarterly 46: 78-84.

Kanehisa, H., and M. Miyashita. 1983. Specificity of velocity in strength training. European Jouranal of Physiology 52: 104-106.

Palmieri, G.A. 1983. The principles of muscle fiber recruitment during ballistic movements. National Strength and Conditioning Journal 5(5): 22-24, 63.

Wenzel, R.R., and E.M. Perfetto. 1992 The effect of speed versus non-speed training in power development. Journal of Applied Sport Science Research 6: 82-87.

In terms of results, I believe that simply attempting to move a heavy weight through a natural range of motion quickly is what needs to be done to improve velocity implied effects. It is not actually moving the weight fast that matters, but trying to do so. What this means is that toward the end of a normal set of an exercise, when you can barely do another rep, trying to lift the weight quickly will elicit the same results. Muscle fatigue will make such a movement impossible, but the fact that you are incapable is not of importance, just that you try to.

Of course there is a good bit of dispute on both sides, and I'm not saying that I'm 100 percent right, but I have never touched power cleans because I honestly believe they are dangerous. This is a decision that your coach will probably make for you, anyway. But seriously, the best way to learn how to block a 300 pound lineman is found in lining up in front of one.

**P-funk** · 09-15-2004, 03:58 AM

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terms of results, I believe that simply attempting to move a heavy weight through a natural range of motion quickly is what needs to be done to improve velocity implied effects. It is not actually moving the weight fast that matters, but trying to do so.

I agree.

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They are very dependant on exceptional form, and could be considered dangerous even under good supervision (a power clean is basically the throwing and catching of a huge amount of weight).

I agree that they are dangerous. I also a agree that squats and deadlifts are dangerous (or anything we do in the gym for that matter). And I will agree that gettign out of a wet shower can be dangerous. But we don't stop doing these things becasue they are dangerous. One thing about cleans and working on speed is that the weight doesn't have to be that heavy (ie high intensity......85-100% 1RM). If it is speed you want you can use 60% of your 1RM and do doubles and just work on foot quickness. I do agree that finding a good coach is paramount. Starting with an un-loaded bar is smart, if not starting with a broom stick (if you want to use these exercises). Extremely form dependant.....yes. Effective when done correctly....yes, in my opinion and in the opinion of many college, pro and olympic strength coaches.

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Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	I personally would not recommend power cleans. They are very dependant on exceptional form, and could be considered dangerous even under good supervision (a power clean is basically the throwing and catching of a huge amount of weight). There are studies that support the idea that this type of ballistic training can improve explosiveness, but a number also exist that refute the idea that you have to train in this fashion to improve your explosiveness. Research indicates the results can be achieved through less dangerous exercises (squat, deadlift, etc.) Here are the references if you would like to independently research the results: Van Oteghen, S.L. 1975 Two speeds of isokinetic exercise as related to the vertical jump performance in women. Research Quarterly 46: 78-84. Kanehisa, H., and M. Miyashita. 1983. Specificity of velocity in strength training. European Jouranal of Physiology 52: 104-106. Palmieri, G.A. 1983. The principles of muscle fiber recruitment during ballistic movements. National Strength and Conditioning Journal 5(5): 22-24, 63. Wenzel, R.R., and E.M. Perfetto. 1992 The effect of speed versus non-speed training in power development. Journal of Applied Sport Science Research 6: 82-87. In terms of results, I believe that simply attempting to move a heavy weight through a natural range of motion quickly is what needs to be done to improve velocity implied effects. It is not actually moving the weight fast that matters, but trying to do so. What this means is that toward the end of a normal set of an exercise, when you can barely do another rep, trying to lift the weight quickly will elicit the same results. Muscle fatigue will make such a movement impossible, but the fact that you are incapable is not of importance, just that you try to. Of course there is a good bit of dispute on both sides, and I'm not saying that I'm 100 percent right, but I have never touched power cleans because I honestly believe they are dangerous. This is a decision that your coach will probably make for you, anyway. But seriously, the best way to learn how to block a 300 pound lineman is found in lining up in front of one.
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