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  1. 09-16-2004, 03:08 PM #1
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    being sore

    I made my switch between a cable pulley to free weights and I love it!, much better workout.
    But I was expecting my entire body to be completely sore, but for some reason my upper body really wasn't (shoulders were but just a little) but my legs and ass, hurt so bad I found it hard to walk lol. So would this mean that I'm not lifting enough for my upper body if its not really sore, even though the intensity of my workout is pretty good.
    Also I was wondering of anyone could give me some advice on what would be better, doign a 4 day split working a muscle twice a week (what I'm doing now), or maybe doing a 4 day spilt working the muscles once a week.
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    Soreness is NOT necessary for hypertrophy. We all love the feeling because it makes us think we had a good workout, but its just not the case.
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    Soreness is great but besides the psychological boost, it is just latic acid.
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    the beginning soreness is the lactic acid (the initial burn from the sets) But the soreness you feel days after is actually calcium spurs that irritates the muscle (I'm not sure in detail what the calcium is doing there) but I've heard it from a personal trainer (and he wasn't no fitness trainer)

    I think I remember him saying something about little satellite looking things that help rebuild the muscle, but he said its from the motor unit burning the glycogen or something in a profuse manner leaving the calcium spurs to irritate the muscle. Something like that... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. Lets just hope I do.
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    I donīt know if it is calcium or not, could be. A few days after it is DOMS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulkk500
    the beginning soreness is the lactic acid (the initial burn from the sets) But the soreness you feel days after is actually calcium spurs that irritates the muscle (I'm not sure in detail what the calcium is doing there) but I've heard it from a personal trainer (and he wasn't no fitness trainer)

    I think I remember him saying something about little satellite looking things that help rebuild the muscle, but he said its from the motor unit burning the glycogen or something in a profuse manner leaving the calcium spurs to irritate the muscle. Something like that... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. Lets just hope I do.
    DOMS is caused by changes in muscle cell calcium homeostasis and an inflammatory response from micro trauma to skeletal muscle...
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulkk500
    the beginning soreness is the lactic acid (the initial burn from the sets) But the soreness you feel days after is actually calcium spurs that irritates the muscle (I'm not sure in detail what the calcium is doing there) but I've heard it from a personal trainer (and he wasn't no fitness trainer)

    I think I remember him saying something about little satellite looking things that help rebuild the muscle, but he said its from the motor unit burning the glycogen or something in a profuse manner leaving the calcium spurs to irritate the muscle. Something like that... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. Lets just hope I do.
    I've never heard of calcium spurs before. DOMS is caused not by lactic acid, but by pain receptors being activated by muscle protein breakdown and cell inflamation. DOMS should be avoided as it can lead to overtraining, however, post exercise muscle soreness (not crippling pain, and doesnt last as long) is normal when your muscles are introduced to a new kind of exercise.
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    Wish LAM had posted his response before I typed all that shit up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
    Soreness is great but besides the psychological boost, it is just latic acid.
    I think you're confusing soreness with the muscle burn in the gym, that is caused by lactic acid buildup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM
    DOMS is caused by changes in muscle cell calcium homeostasis and an inflammatory response from micro trauma to skeletal muscle...
    From my understanding homeostasis is when the organism is trying to regulate itself. Is it due to excess of calcium or lack of it? Supplementation with calcium a day after may reduce DOMS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
    I think you're confusing soreness with the muscle burn in the gym, that is caused by lactic acid buildup.
    Yes, that is right. So soreness and DOMS mean the same thing?
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    DOMS is Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness
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    Sure but soreness is .. ?
    I was believed that soreness and burn were the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
    Sure but soreness is .. ?
    I was believed that soreness and burn were the same thing.
    I think the original poster was talking about soreness after working out, not during (burn).
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    Ok so we have three?
    Burn - while working out
    Soreness - right after the workout
    DOMS - a day or two later ..
    Is that right?
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    right...typically DOMS is most prevalent 48 hours after the training session...
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.
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    lol thanks for all the replies, thst was fast
    Well don't get a burn. sorness or DOMS for my upper body, but for my lower body I get all 3, it's weird. Hopefully my legs still aren't sore tomorrow cause I ahve to train them and if they are that's gonna be brutal
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM
    right...typically DOMS is most prevalent 48 hours after the training session...
    Great thanks. I never really see the difference between burn and soreness but that is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_B
    lol thanks for all the replies, thst was fast
    Well don't get a burn. sorness or DOMS for my upper body, but for my lower body I get all 3, it's weird. Hopefully my legs still aren't sore tomorrow cause I ahve to train them and if they are that's gonna be brutal
    Increase the number of repetition, it will give you what you are looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_B
    lol thanks for all the replies, thst was fast
    Well don't get a burn. sorness or DOMS for my upper body, but for my lower body I get all 3, it's weird. Hopefully my legs still aren't sore tomorrow cause I ahve to train them and if they are that's gonna be brutal
    if you legs seem to suffer from DOMS more than you other body parts you need to stretch them good after you train them, it helps in more ways than you can imagine..
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.
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    He wants the DOMS LAM.
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    Everyone has a different definition in their own verbatim, now I know why the world can never have peace, even people who like the same thing have to argue and bicker about whose right. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
    Increase the number of repetition, it will give you what you are looking for.
    lol I was doing 2 sets of 25 reps (10 sec rest inbetween sets)

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    if you legs seem to suffer from DOMS more than you other body parts you need to stretch them good after you train them, it helps in more ways than you can imagine..
    ok thanks I'll try that out, even though I stretch enough on off days, damn Pilates

    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
    He wants the DOMS LAM.
    I'm also not necissarily looking for DOMS, I was just wondering if since I wasn't sore if I wasn't training my upper body enough, but now I know you don't need to be sore to know it was a good workout.
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    Different body parts can be more or less susceptible to the effects of DOMS. It doesn't mean that they were or were not stimulated more or less.
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.
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    ok thanks I've always wondered that, but after your body gets use to it, it eventually stops or dosen't hurt as much right? Cause right now my legs hurt so much and tomrrow's a leg day so I'm not sure how that's gonna work, I guess I'll have to push through the pain.
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